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===Death of Omar Daraghmeh===

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Death of Omar Daraghmeh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This is not a lastingly significant event in this conflict, he doesn't appear to be that senior of a member of the organisation, and it's not even clear that it's actually an assassination (Hamas are blatant liars, and anything they say should be taken with a massive grain of salt). I would prefer a redirect to Timeline of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war where this is already listed. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Terrorism, Islam, Middle East, Israel, and Palestine. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment — Five minutes before starting this AfD, the nominator cursed at me on this article’s talk page after I asked a simple question, which was not pinging them. Minutes later, the nominator also accused me of being a “fool” and not knowing how to edit (i.e. WP:CIR). I have absolutely no idea what brought on the personal attacks, but whatever. I would like to see other responses before I comment an !vote, given the nominator seems to be angry for some reason. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

My complaints about WW's conduct are due to them placing the accusations of Hamas (who have blatantly lied during this conflict, such as denying the massacres of civilians they clearly commited) in wikivoice when this is clearly inappropriate, and then reverting with no edit summaries an attempt to correct this [1], which also re-introduced an error that WW made calling Omar the "leader of Hamas", which is just blatantly wrong. In my opinion, it displays a lack of competence to edit this contentious topic area. My tone was one of intense exasperation rather than personal venom. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You still didn’t have to curse. I get what you mean, but even when I was trying to have a genuine conversation, you just weren’t civil and are still accusing me of WP:CIR style stuff. I would have proposed a WP:MUTUAL for us to both leave the article, as one, I may not have the knowledge to edit this topic and you are not editing in good faith, or at least not really showing you are. The AfD complicates that though. I would still like to propose a MUTUAL thought, i.e. we both stop editing this AfD & article and let the community figure it out. Agreed? (EC — While typing this, BD2412 proposed draftifying it, which I am not opposed to at all and would have been willing to do had you not started an AfD). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• Move to draft, pending development of sources indicating encyclopedic significance, rather than just interest within a news cycle. BD2412 T 00:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Draftify — Per BD2412 The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Speedy Keep per speedy keep criterion #2, brought for vexatious reasons or reasons of disruption. The rationale of WP:TOOSOON is suggested by the nominator, but the based on the nominator's documented behavior at the talk page the motive seems to be anti-POV rather than notability.

Note that minutes before nominating for deletion @Hemiauchenia blanked a number of sources here[2] with the edit summary "Reverting to the least terrible version, though whether this should be a standalone article is questionable". That edit summary, IMHO doesn't explain the edit, and the removal of sources seems to be attempt to undermine the article just before nomination.

In the alternative, draftify. Oblivy (talk) 00:53, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I reverted to this version primarily because it accurately stated in prose what happened, Omar Daraghmeh died in prison, Hamas and PIJ claimed it was an assasssination. WW's version stated definitively that he was assassinated, which was not appropriate. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)