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A non-notable person who was murdered, and her murder is being reported against the backdrop of a current conflict. Textbook example of WP:BLP1E, and her article should be redirected to that of her synagogue. Stephen 22:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Judaism, and Michigan. Stephen 22:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep fails mandatory criteria 2 of WP:BLP1E in that she was not a low profile individual. Woll was co-chair of the American Jewish Committee's ACCESS Detroit Young Leadership Program and founder of the Muslim-Jewish Forum of Detroit. In 2017 she was selected by the Detroit Jewish News as one of their "36 under 36". From 2019 to 2021, she worked as deputy district director on the political campaign of Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin. She also worked on the re-election campaign of Attorney General Dana Nessel. that's not low profile. I think BLP1E is more to prevent victimization of people who are just average everyday low profile people. —DIYeditor (talk) 22:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

  The "American Jewish Committee's ACCESS Detroit Young Leadership Program and founder of the Muslim-Jewish Forum of Detroit" MIGHT get you an article, working on various election campaign's doesn't. Oaktree b (talk) 23:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Comment: Anything regarding a Program run by AJC is ZERO notability on its own. Ditto regarding the Muslim-Jewish Forum of Detroit. So, not even a "might". 2607:F470:E:22:F00C:616:C1E6:62E7 (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge with Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue: President of a synagogue is basically an office job; they wouldn't get an article had they not died. Notability is only in context of the place of worship. Oaktree b (talk) 23:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep or Move to "Killing of Samantha Woll". The killing is what is really notable here. The individual would likely not have merited a Wikipedia page prior to their murder. Loksmythe (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  Comment I would agree that if there is not sufficient consensus to keep the article, the incident of her death is clearly notable. Panther999 (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Delete: So far, just another non-notable murder. Subject to change as the investigation unfolds. 2607:F470:E:22:F00C:616:C1E6:62E7 (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge with Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue. Coverage has been insignificant after the fact, aside from to say the police have found no evidence of it being a result of a hate crime. Nonovix (talk) 13:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep in some manner. Durindaljb (talk) 02:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge to Killing of. There's continued national and international reporting about her killing, beyond initial expositionary reporting, that suggests her killing meets WP:GNG: [1] [2] [3]. Longhornsg (talk) 00:14, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge to Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue. I hate to say "routine crime", but now that the killing has found not to be terrorism or a hate crime, it isn't notable enough for a stand-alone article. There is certainly material that could be usefully inserted at the synagogue article, though. Black Kite (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment. I don't think the killing's been "found not to be terrorism or a hate crime". As I read the reports, police just don't know. Dsp13 (talk) 09:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

What dsp13 (talk · contribs) said. The investigation is still active, and DPD says to expect an update today. 68.42.97.120 (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC) (oops, forgot to log in) --Alison (Crazytales) (talk; edits) 13:34, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete unless at some later date proved connected to some other notable then revive. As of right now sounds just like any other unnotable memorial.2600:8800:FF0E:300:F91F:EEA6:4E6C:2A7B (talk) 08:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. Not a low profile individual. Woll was co-chair of the American Jewish Committee's ACCESS Detroit Young Leadership Program and founder of the Muslim-Jewish Forum of Detroit. In 2017 she was selected by the Detroit Jewish News as one of their "36 under 36". Yamfri (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Her death is mentioned at Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue#History and that is sufficient. Wyliepedia @ 14:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep This woman's death has been the lead story in Southeast Michigan and the Michigan Attorney general was commenting on it before the cause of death was publicly available. That, alone, doesn't establish notability but articles about her from reliable secondary sources may come out in the near future, as the story develops. At such point she would likely meet GNG. While this happened against the backdrop of an ongoing conflict, the police have indicated that they have no evidence that the murder is was motivated by her religious or political activities. If a redirect is in order, it should point toward an article on the incident, since the incident is certainly receiving significant coverage from reliable secondary sources.--Panther999 (talk) 15:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM/WP:SOAP. Please stick to how this article is or isn’t necessary on WP policy grounds. The Kip 17:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Keep The murderous attack on this woman is likely part of the ongoing surge of attacks on Jews, by Muslims, that began during the start of the Biden (Democratic Party) presidency (an example of "liberal" racism and extremism). It is also relevant in the backdrop of the biggest mass murder of people by Islamic terrorists (on previous victims of mass murders, Jewish people, in this case) since the murderous Islamic terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001. Commenter856 (talk) 16:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Commenter856 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep or Merge per above. Borderline notability in life, certainly notable in death and comparable to the Killing of Wadea Al-Fayoume. I can see arguments for both, and I personally slightly lean keep, but the bottom line is that deletion would be the wrong move. The Kip 17:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  The killing of Al-Fayoume is a hate crime. Detroit police (so far) are saying there is no evidence that the killing of Woll was a hate crime. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• Move to "Killing of" or Delete. Very clear violation of BLP1E. It is possible an article about Woll's death could clear on notability, though I would lean delete at this point given the lack of coverage thereof within the article. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep & then move to Killing of Samantha Woll. Even if she probably wouldn't pass WP:GNG prior to her death, she is notable for her death. Nonetheless, given that she had a very weak claim to notability prior to her death, keeping the article separate (as a WP:1E) and having a short bio on her in said article (as is done for many others) is the best solution here. estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Case of BIO1E that no longer meets notability for own article following the official investigation, and subject's death is duly covered in the Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue article. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 00:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to the synagogue article, I'm not seeing notability at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 00:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as failing WP:BLP1E/WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. She was not notable for her life prior to her death and while her killing has gotten coverage, it does not demonstrate WP:LASTING notability at this point. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to synagogue article. Police are now saying they believe it likely wasn’t a hate crime [4]. This makes it less likely to meet the threshold of notability. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:2B9A (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I tried to find coverage prior to her death to help expand this article and establish notability, but what’s available doesn’t meet the biography notability criteria (almost all of it being from a single local source) and tho it had seemed like the coverage of her death would merit an article about that, info seems so limited that it’s adequately covered at the page for her synagogue. If that changes, I would suggest expanding the section at the synagogue page until such point as it requires a content fork. (Meanwhile, I am not really sure why so many people have said merge as opposed to redirect, as her death is already mentioned at the target page and I’m not clear on what other content would be relevant to the entry for the synagogue.) Innisfree987 (talk) 05:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)