Talk:1988 Hamas charter

NPOV

"All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources." Ian Pitchford (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. This was a collection of one-sided largely polemical sources with barely any academic sources backing some of the things in the article. nableezy - 21:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Please feel free to add anything at all to provide the balance you consider necessary. Stellarkid (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea, how about the actual text in the original language of the Hamas Charter, and not just claims of what it supposedly says? What, there just isn't enough room to do this on the Internet? Is the Internet too small to fit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.80.56.115 (talk) 18:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

• What's missing? That provides an additional significant point of view? Agree w/the requirement of reflecting what the RSs say. But need more specifics as to what significant RS-supported facts are not reflected.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

This article is a one sided anti Hamas joke and should be virtually rewritten.Owain the 1st (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I suggest this whole article be scrapped.It is frankly just a rant against Hamas.The Hamas charter is covered in the Hamas main article page and there it is of a more NPOV.Owain the 1st (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The document in question is notable and deserves an article. If people think it is POV, they can modify it, add other veiws etc. Maybe it sounds one-sided because mainstream sources do not have much positive to say about this document? BTW the words rant and joke do not belong here. - BorisG (talk) 04:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have now read the entire article. I think this is an important article and contains solid material based on reliable sources. However the material is very poorly organsised. The entire article needs reshuffling. I may try to do it if I find the time (not likely any time soon). - BorisG (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I do not agree with you Boris.The article is a one sided piece directly putting down Hamas and it is clearly a POV article that is not needed on wikipedia as this site is supposed to be a neutral point of view.The Hamas Charter consists of 36 articles and they are not all even covered in this piece, if it was NPOV then it would be covered.Before I edited the lead it read like a Hamas hates the Jews list and much of it still does read like that.The sources consist of Israeli/Jewish media as far as I can see with some books thrown in.You have Reform Judaism magazine,A link to the wikipedia page for Israeli ministry of foreign affairs,A link to the American Jewish congress wikipedia page,terrorism-info.org an Israeli propaganda site, are these your reliable sources?This article has been forked off the main Hamas page and has been used to vilify Hamas and that is not the purpose of articles on wikipedia.It is a rant and a joke as I stated.Owain the 1st (talk) 05:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have reshaped the article and added new section, removed things that were posted twice in the article and generally streamline it and made it more neutral as opposed to the anti Hamas rant that it was.Owain the 1st (talk) 20:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Owain, you previously complained that the article was an anti-Hamas rant. Now it largely looks like a Hamas propaganda pamflet. Is this your goal? - BorisG (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It does not look anything of the sort because if it did then there would not be all those pieces on how Hamas hate the Jews.It has opinions from bother sides.Do not know here you get what you are saying from.Now if you want to see a very biased article then just click on the Hamas page, that is littered with bias.Probably comes in at 95% bias.Do not see you complaining about that fact.Owain the 1st (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Haven't yet looked at that but will in due course. Anyway, that is a discussion for another page. Or are you suggested that bias in this article is justified by bias in another? As for the present page, NPOV does not mean that opposing opinions should be given equal space. Rather, it should reflect the proportion of both views in reliable sources. I don't think it does. For instance, extensive quotes vebattim from one Hamas official is excessive and looks like propaganda. - BorisG (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I do not see you complaining about the quotes from the charter.Why not? That charter is 36 articles long and the whole host of quotes in this article are mostly just the ones that say anything against Israel and the Jews.Now if you wanted a NPOV article then you would be up in arms about the other 80% of the charter not even getting a mention but you are not.Looks like you are a bit picky about when you complain.You could always take your own advice Boris as stated above:The document in question is notable and deserves an article. If people think it is POV, they can modify it, add other veiws etc.Owain the 1st (talk) 15:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes I stand by that statement, and intend to do just that if and when I have time. - BorisG (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

If anyone wanted to write an anti-Hamas rant, they should simply reproduce the Hamas covenant word-for-word. Indeed, it is not all anti-Jew. There are also some bits about their opposition to the Rotary Club.208.68.128.90 (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

The section that was here has been moved below to a new section as to facilitate that it's a new discussion -- Kendrick7^talk 04:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

2017 revised covenant

Although the 2017 revision of the covenant is mentioned, most of the article is written as if it doesn't exist. This needs bulk corrective work. The official text is here. Zero^talk 03:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Zero0000: I think this article should be moved to "1988 Hamas Charter" and a new article should be created for 2017 Hamas Charter.VR _talk 16:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Seems at a bare minimum like we should add the 2017 charter to the “contents” section, ideally above the 1988 contents. BarryBoosta (talk) 10:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

New Charter released in 2017

I have seen others indicate this above, but thought that I'd reiterate here, as I don't have the editing permission to add the relevant information, myself. Hamas released an updated charter in 2017 that differs significantly, in certain areas, from the original 1988 version. Is someone, with the editing permission, able to make the appropriate changes to this article? The 2017 charter text can be found here. Lots of news coverage as well, from CNN, The Guardian, and the BBC. Thanks in advance! Rvandijk101 (talk) 04:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Should probably not delete information, but add info concerning the changes. It would be a semi-major project to compare the two versions in detail and write up all significant changes, which is probably why no one at Wikipedia has undertaken the task. It would be best to find a non-Wikipedia reliable source which has already done such comparisons, of course... AnonMoos (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm advocating that a subsequent subsection be created with the "Content" section, immediately after "1988 Charter." The new subsection would be titled, "2017 Charter." Certainly, a comparison piece between the two charters would be a larger undertaking, but that's not needed to simply paste in the text of the more recent charter. Just asking if someone would kindly do so, as I don't have the permission to edit this article. Thanks in advance! Robinvandijk101 (talk) 00:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

"Pasting in" the text of the recent charter version (or large subsections of it) would probably be a copyright violation, and if it's not a copyright violation, it might be considered more suitable for Wikisource than Wikipedia... AnonMoos (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. And similarly, copy and pastes of the 1988 charter is also not suitable.VR _talk 04:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Can we consider whether the article link to the english version of the 2017 charter should link to a version not on the hamas website? I just tried to click through to read it, discovered it looks to be linking to the hamas official website, which did not load. Consider that Hamas may be a terrorist entity in some jurisdictions, and that linking directly to their site may be problematic for that reason. At the same time, the wording of their charter is frequently a topic of news and it's important to be able to know what the text or does not say.PvtGomerPile _talk 08:13, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

Explanation of Edit Request

I'm suggesting that a new subsection be added to the section "Content" after the subsection "1988 Charter." This new subsection would be called "2017 Charter" and would reflect that content of the 2017 Charter, in the same way that the content of the 1988 Charter is currently reflected, in this article. The full text of the 2017 Charter can be found here. Here are additional sources about it, from The Guardian, BBC, and CNN.

Below is a suggested sample of what the "2017 Charter" subsection could look like. I've pared down the content of some of the articles, for length and readability. But more revision could definitely be done.

Content of proposed new subsection

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Run n Fly (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

2017 Charter

Preamble

Palestine is the land of the Arab Palestinian people, from it they originate, to it they adhere and belong, and about it they reach out and communicate.  Palestine is a land whose status has been elevated by Islam, a faith that holds it in high esteem, that breathes through it its spirit and just values and that lays the foundation for the doctrine of defending and protecting it. Palestine is the cause of a people who have been let down by a world that fails to secure their rights and restore to them what has been usurped from them, a people whose land continues to suffer one of the worst types of occupation in this world. Palestine is a land that was seized by a racist, anti-human and colonial Zionist project that was founded on a false promise (the Balfour Declaration), on recognition of a usurping entity and on imposing a fait accompli by force. Palestine symbolizes the resistance that shall continue until liberation is accomplished, until the return is fulfilled and until a fully sovereign state is established with Jerusalem as its capital. Palestine is the true partnership among Palestinians of all affiliations for the sublime objective of liberation. Palestine is the spirit of the Ummah and its central cause; it is the soul of humanity and its living conscience. This document is the product of deep deliberations that led us to a strong consensus. As a movement, we agree about both the theory and the practice of the vision that is outlined in the pages that follow. It is a vision that stands on solid grounds and on well-established principles. This document unveils the goals, the milestones and the way in which national unity can be enforced. It also establishes our common understanding of the Palestinian cause, the working principles which we use to further it, and the limits of flexibility used to interpret it.

The movement

Article 1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine

Article 2. Palestine extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land.
Article 3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

The Palestinian people

Article 4. The Palestinians are the Arabs who lived in Palestine until 1947,  irrespective of whether they were expelled from it, or stayed in it; and every person that was born to an Arab Palestinian father after that date, whether inside or outside Palestine, is a Palestinian.
Article 5. The Palestinian identity is authentic and timeless; it is passed from generation to generation. The catastrophes that have befallen the Palestinian cannot erase the identity of the Palestinian people nor can they negate it. A Palestinian shall not lose his or her national identity or rights by acquiring a second nationality.
Article 6. The Palestinian people are one people, made up of all Palestinians, inside and outside of Palestine, irrespective of their religion, culture or political affiliation.

Islam and Palestine

Article 7. Palestine is at the heart of the Arab and Islamic Ummah and enjoys a special status. Within Palestine there exists Jerusalem, whose precincts are blessed by Allah. Palestine is the Holy Land, which Allah has blessed for humanity. It is the Muslims’ first Qiblah and the destination of the journey performed at night by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. It is the location from where he ascended to the upper heavens. It is the birthplace of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him. Its soil contains the remains of thousands of prophets, companions and mujahidin. It is the land of people who are determined to defend the truth – within Jerusalem and its surroundings – who are not deterred or intimidated by those who oppose them and by those who betray them, and they will continue their mission until the Promise of Allah is fulfilled.
Article 8. By virtue of its justly balanced middle way and moderate spirit, Islam – for Hamas - provides a comprehensive way of life and an order that is fit for purpose at all times and in all places. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety. Hamas also believes that Palestine has always been and will always be a model of coexistence, tolerance and civilizational innovation.
Article 9. Hamas believes that the message of Islam upholds the values of truth, justice, freedom and dignity and prohibits all forms of injustice and incriminates oppressors irrespective of their religion, race, gender or nationality. Islam is against all forms of religious, ethnic or sectarian extremism and bigotry. It is the religion that inculcates in its followers the value of standing up to aggression and of supporting the oppressed; it motivates them to give generously and make sacrifices in defence of their dignity, their land, their peoples and their holy places.

Jerusalem

Article 10. Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. Its religious, historic and civilizational status is fundamental to the Arabs, Muslims and the world at large. Its Islamic and Christian holy places belong exclusively to the Palestinian people and to the Arab and Islamic Ummah. Not one stone of Jerusalem can be surrendered or relinquished. The measures undertaken by the occupiers in Jerusalem, such as Judaisation, settlement building, and establishing facts on the ground are fundamentally null and void.
Article 11. The blessed al-Aqsa Mosque belongs exclusively to our people and our Ummah, and the occupation has no right to it whatsoever. The occupation’s plots, measures and attempts to judaize al-Aqsa and divide it are null, void and illegitimate. Refugees and right of return.
Article 12. The Palestinian cause in its essence is a cause of an occupied land and a displaced people. The right of the Palestinian refugees and the displaced to return to their homes from which they were banished or were banned from returning to – whether in the lands occupied in 1948 or in 1967 (that is the whole of Palestine), is a natural right, both individual and collective. This right is confirmed by all divine laws as well as by the basic principles of human rights and international law. It is an inalienable right and cannot be dispensed with by any party, whether Palestinian, Arab or international.
Article 13. Hamas rejects all attempts to erase the rights of the refugees, including the attempts to settle them outside Palestine and through the projects of the alternative homeland. Compensation to the Palestinian refugees for the harm they have suffered as a consequence of banishing them and occupying their land is an absolute right that goes hand in hand with their right to return. They are to receive compensation upon their return and this does not negate or diminish their right to return.

The Zionist project

Article 14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.
Article 15. The Zionist project does not target the Palestinian people alone; it is the enemy of the Arab and Islamic Ummah posing a grave threat to its security and interests. It is also hostile to the Ummah’s aspirations for unity, renaissance and liberation and has been the major source of its troubles. The Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interests and stability.
Article 16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Article 17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine. The position toward Occupation and political solutions.
Article 18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
Article 19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.
Article 20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine. Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Article 21. Hamas affirms that the Oslo Accords and their addenda contravene the governing rules of international law in that they generate commitments that violate the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Therefore, the Movement rejects these agreements and all that flows from them, such as the obligations that are detrimental to the interests of our people, especially security coordination (collaboration).
Article 22. Hamas rejects all the agreements, initiatives and settlement projects that are aimed at undermining the Palestinian cause and the rights of our Palestinian people. In this regard, any stance, initiative or political programme must not in any way violate these rights and should not contravene them or contradict them.
Article 23. Hamas stresses that transgression against the Palestinian people, usurping their land and banishing them from their homeland cannot be called peace. Any settlements reached on this basis will not lead to peace. Resistance and jihad for the liberation of Palestine will remain a legitimate right, a duty and an honour for all the sons and daughters of our people and our Ummah.

Resistance and Liberation

Article 24. The liberation of Palestine is the duty of the Palestinian people, and the Arab and Islamic Ummah. It is also a humanitarian obligation as necessitated by the dictates of truth and justice.
Article 25. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance.
Article 26. Hamas rejects any attempt to undermine the resistance and its arms. It also affirms the right of our people to develop the means and mechanisms of resistance. The Palestinian political system.
Article 27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.
Article 28. Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue.
Article 29. The PLO is a national framework for the Palestinian people inside and outside of Palestine.  It should therefore be preserved, developed and rebuilt on democratic foundations. Article 30. Hamas stresses the necessity of building Palestinian national institutions on sound democratic principles, foremost among them are free and fair elections.
Article 31. Hamas affirms that the role of the Palestinian Authority should be to serve the Palestinian people and safeguard their security, their rights and their national project.
Article 32. Hamas stresses the necessity of maintaining the independence of Palestinian national decision-making. Outside forces should not be allowed to intervene. At the same time, Hamas affirms the responsibility of the Arabs and the Muslims and their duty and role in the liberation of Palestine from Zionist occupation.
Article 33. Palestinian society is enriched by its prominent personalities, figures, dignitaries, civil society institutions, and youth, students, trade unionist and women’s groups who together work for the achievement of national goals and societal building, pursue resistance, and achieve liberation.
Article 34. The role of Palestinian women is fundamental in the project of resistance, liberation and building the political system.

The Arab and Islamic Ummah

Article 35. The Palestinian issue is the central cause for the Arab and Islamic Ummah.
Article 36. Hamas believes in the unity of the Ummah.
Article 37. Hamas believes in cooperating with all states that support the rights of the Palestinian people. It opposes intervention in the internal affairs of any country. It also refuses to be drawn into disputes and conflicts that take place among different countries.

The Humanitarian and international aspect

Article 38. The Palestinian issue has major humanitarian and international dimensions.
Article 39. The liberation of Palestine is a legitimate activity, an act of self-defence, and the expression of the natural right of all peoples to self-determination.
Article 40. Hamas believes in the values of cooperation, justice, freedom and respect of the will of the people.
Article 41. Hamas welcomes support of the rights of the Palestinian people. Hamas denounces the Zionist project and calls for its protection for war crimes.
Article 42. Hamas condemns imposition of hegemony, all forms of colonialism, occupation, discrimination, oppression and aggression in the world.
Robinvandijk101 (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Zahar quote link

The link to the Zahar quote ( "Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar Slams PA President Abbas for "Aimless Kangaroo-Like" Political Gymnastics and Says: We Will Not Relinquish Any Piece of Palestinian Land". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July2014.) goes nowhere. Since MEMRI is a notably biased source, the quote should be removed until the source is established. Mcdruid (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

MEMRI is not a "notably biased source". They're highly-selective in what they translate, in a way that some people dislike... AnonMoos (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Not only is MEMRI a notably biased source, the quotation is not to be found at that link. It should be removed unless established reliably. Mcdruid (talk) 04:08, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

MEMRI is not a notably biased source, in the sense of deliberately mistranslating. Rather, they annoy people by translating things which those people would prefer to be left untranslated. AnonMoos (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

MEMRI is biased and makes no bones about being biased. The most notable sign is how the headlines of their articles are often contradicted or undercut by the actual content of their articles.

In any event, the link is broken. It should be removed.

Mcdruid (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Come on. Don't be daft. MEMRI is a terrible source. It's an advocacy organization masquerading, in a fairly thinly veiled way, as a non-partisan think tank. And even if it were a credible think tank, almost all think tanks are fairly opinionated sources and even the best of them are still not the best of sources. They are "highly-selective" in the sense of cherrypicking, which is why they are terrible as a source. Good secondary sources don't do this. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Hamas position on the Two-State Solution

Why hasn't anyone update this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/5/2/hamas-accepts-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders Can someone with access do it? Ras al Ghoul (talk) 17:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not a "two-state" solution -- it's Hamas being willing to accept 1967 boundaries temporarily, but only recognizing the legitimacy of at most one state. Not sure that Hamas catching up to the 1970s PLO "stages plan" over 40 years later is headline news... AnonMoos (talk) 22:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

ADL

@Drsmoo According to noticeboard: "Some editors commented that ADL is a biased source for Israel/Palestine related topics and should be used with caution, if at all."

First comment on talk page and establish consensus before inserting controversial sources. I am not removing that material right now to avoid a (probably not) 1RR. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 7:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

More critically, the "source" is just a press release, so that's not usable. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with using a quote from a named individual in a press release. Wikipedia:Independent_sources#Press_releases--Cawhee^Talk 22:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2023

Hello!

In the Hamas Charter Wikipedia page, I request that the Analysis section of the page is removed entirely.

It currently cites Bruce Hoffman's "Understanding Hamas's Genocidal Ideology," published in The Atlantic on October 10, 2023 a total of seven times without any other citations. While this source has opinions that are possibly relevant to the 1988 document, they are too biased to be a primer "analysis." The Wiki page also does not contain the contents or an analysis of the 2017 Hamas Charter which is arguably more timely.

Thank you! Papillonjelly (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Likely to be a contested change. Melmann 13:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

NPOV, Characterization

"Antisemitic canards"

Wikipedia: "The 1988 charter contains references to antisemitic canards, such as the assertion that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Jews were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution."

Hamas: "With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there."

"— Hamas Charter, Article 22"

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In the quote given, they don't mention Jews. They mention "Zionist interests". Well who would that be - the Rothschild Barons, who founded Israel after the baron Lionel de Rothschild bought the Suez Canal shares in 1875, through his client and British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli. Israel's founding document, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, is a letter from Lord Balfour to Baron Walter Rothschild, 2nd Lord Rothschild. And although yes the Rothschild barons are Jewish, they are not 'the Jews', nor are it 'the Jews' who ""With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses," - that would be the Rothschild Barons. They have the ultimate "Zionist interests" mentioned, because they created Israel. Ultimately for the purpose of protecting their geostrategic investment, the Suez Canal, the control of which - with the Strait of Gibraltar and Bab-El-Mendeb - allowed the British Empire to function.

Some examples from primary sources - the Knesset and the Rothschild Archive:

"External debts forced Said Pasha's successor, Isma'il Pasha, to put up his country's shares for sale. In 1875, the London banking house of N M Rothschild & Sons advanced the Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, acting for the British Government, £4million to purchase Suez Canal shares. Disraeli was a close personal friend of Lionel de Rothschild, and according to legend, this was transacted on a gentleman’s agreement, with no documentation, a technically unsecured loan for a sum of several £billion today."

Source: Rothschild Archive, "Lionel de Rothschild and the Suez Canal"

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"Following the riots in Russia against the Jewish community in 1891–1892, he took part in the actions of the French committee assisting with their migration. His interest in Eretz Yisrael already began during the 1880's, while the first settlements established by Zionists were in severe financial difficulties threatening their continued existence. During 1883–1889, Baron de Rothschild covered all the expenses of Rishon LeZion, Zikhron Yaaqov, Rosh Pinna and Eqron, and donated over 5 million pounds for other settlements. The use of his donations was overseen by hired clerks and specialists, while the Baron himself also visited Eretz Yisrael several times.

"Baron de Rothschild demanded to remain anonymous and he was mostly known as "The known benefactor." His relation to the Zionist movement was ambivalent, while refusing to support Herzl and disagreeing with Hovevei Zion on one hand and gradually becoming involved in the post-First World War efforts of the Paris Peace Conference (1919) and the Balfour Declaration (1917). In 1923 he established PICA (Palestine Jewish Colonization Association) to administrate his lands in Eretz Yisrael, placing his son James as its President."

Source: Knesset, 2015, Baron Edmond James de Rothschild (1845–1934)

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"In 1924, Rothschild was appointed by his father, Edmond de Rothschild, as President of the “Palestine Jewish Colonization Association” and remained in this post throughout his life. In 1924 he was also elected as Member of the British Parliament, in which he served until 1945. He took an active part in the Parliament’s debates on the White Papers of Passfield (1931) and MacDonald (1939), speaking ill of the failing of the British policy in Eretz Yisrael, and suggested turning it into a British dominion."

"Shortly before his death, Rothschild wrote to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and informed him of his decision to donate 6 million Israeli liras for the construction of a permanent Knesset building. All of the land held by the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association was transferred to the Jewish National Fund."

Source: Knesset, James Armand de Rothschild (1878 – 1957)

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As for being the funding behind a lot of historic events - well yeah...

Source: The Rothschild Archive, Rothschild Clients https://www.rothschildarchive.org/business/rothschild_clients/

Perhaps most importantly - [to Holy See] or Vatican, a trillion dollar entity.

2001:1C00:1E20:D900:E41D:5620:598D:2C45 (talk) 09:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)