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Category:DC comics time travelers

Delete - See the nomination for Category:Fictional time travelers below. This is such a common comic book gimmick that it is not a defining characteristic for comic book characters. I am sure that about half of all DC Comics characters qualify for this category, even though I have never read the comic books myself. (Superman flew around the Earth really fast to go backwards in time in the movie. I am sure he qualifies as a time traveller.) Therefore, I advocate deletion. Dr. Submillimeter 17:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1988-1992 House Music & Culture

Delete, awful title for a category and effectively duplicates Category:House music groups and other similar categories. Recury 16:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This strangely-titled category effectively duplicates part of Category:House music groups. Dr. Submillimeter 16:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current Arenas of the MJAHL

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:Maritime Junior A Hockey League venues. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom, small but valid enough. Recury 16:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - haven't we been deleting venue categories for sporting events, on the theory that any arena could potentially be a venue? Otto4711 16:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - The rename is needed for clarity. The guideline at WP:OCAT states that categories that specify the regular use of facilities are acceptable. This category meets that criterion (unless you would also like to try nominating Category:National Hockey League venues for deletion). Dr. Submillimeter 16:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women to Seek U.S. Presidency from a Major Party

Delete, as gendered, or at least suggest a less awkward name if you want to keep it. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Natives of Rio Grande do Sul

Propose renaming Category:Natives of Rio Grande do Sul to Category:People from Rio Grande do Sul

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Change to conventional style. VSerrata 13:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom and per convention. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Natives of Sao Paulo state

Propose renaming Category:Natives of Sao Paulo state to Category:People from Sao Paulo state

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Change to conventional style. VSerrata 13:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom and per convention. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Raleigh musical groups

Merge into Category:North Carolina musical groups, convention of Category:American musical groups by state. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom and per convention. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Saga, Japan

Merge into Category:Saga Prefecture, convention of Category:Prefectures of Japan. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional time travelers

Category:Fictional time travelers - For the same reasons as interdimensional travelers, below. (Noting that Philip J. Fry is a member. Being cryofrozen or in suspended animation means travelling through time? KHA-A-A-N! : ) - jc37 13:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 13:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, Fry is indeed a time traveler, see Roswell That Ends Well. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - So many science fiction / comic book characters are time travelers that this is not a defining characteristic of the characters. Most of the X-Men have probably been time travelers at one time or another (if they are not already from the future). Even Squidward Tentacles is listed as a time traveler! Dr. Submillimeter 16:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional interdimensional travelers

Category:Fictional interdimensional travelers - Is it because they walked through an ancient mystic portal? utilised a tardis? shifted between planes of existence? Went through a wormhole? Entered DC Comic's Anti-matter universe? This category could potentially include every character in science fiction and fantasy, without ever describing the means of the travel and transport. And for many characters, the fact that they have travelled in such a way is not an inherent trait of their character (Jean-Luc Picard, for example). - jc37 13:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as nominator - Listify if you must, but I think deletion is better in this case. - jc37 13:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I think I previously nominated this, but the nomination reached no consensus or keep. Again, this happens so often in science fiction and comic books that it is not a defining characteristic. Again, most of the X-Men (probably most of the Avengers, too) would probably fall in this category. Dr. Submillimeter 16:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional doppelgängers

Category:Fictional doppelgängers - This "evil twin" category simply needs to be listified. It's just not clear in every case who the "good twin" is. This is a prime example of where a List is better than a Category (per WP:CLS). - jc37 13:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Listify and then Delete - as nominator. - jc37 13:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional symbionts

Category:Fictional symbionts - Same reasons as Category:Fictional cursed characters, below. (Noting that Spider-Man is included, for example.) - jc37 13:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 13:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional possessed

Category:Fictional possessed - Same reasons as Category:Fictional cursed characters, below. - jc37 13:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 13:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional cursed characters

Category:Fictional cursed characters - While I think I know what the introduction is talking about, I think the category is too vague in its inclusion criteria. For example, the frog who turned into a prince when kissed "was" cursed, but no longer is. But thanks to "literary present tense", he'll always be cursed on Wikipedia : ) - In addition, there simply are innumerable examples of "cursed" characters, as a standard literary plot device. - jc37 13:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 13:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The definition of "cursed" is vague and could have many interpretations (from being unlucky to being the host of a demon). Dr. Submillimeter 16:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Let's place a curse on this vague category. :) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Parks in New Hampshire

Propose deleting Category:Parks in New Hampshire

Nominator's Rationale: Category:New Hampshire parks already exists. --Ken Gallager 13:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep / Reverse Merge, by convention of Category:Parks in the United States -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Parks in New Hampshire - This is the naming convention used for other categories on U.S. state parks. Dr. Submillimeter 16:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse Merge Category:New Hampshire parks to Category:Parks in New Hampshire per convention. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cornish organisations

Propose renaming Category:Cornish organisations to Category:Organisations based in Cornwall

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, in line with the usual style for categories of organisations by place. Organisations are categorised by HQ location, and not by every place where they happen to operate. Hawkestone 10:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. --Xdamr^talk 12:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Streets in New York City, Category:Streets in Berlin, Category:Squares in Berlin and Category:Streets in Oxford

Upmerge per standard, to "Streets and squares in <foo>". The entire category tree Category:Streets and squares by city works like that, but for these three cities that has been split into a "street" part and a "square" part, which isn't particularly useful. >Radiant< 09:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Squares in London and Category:Streets in London

Upmerge per standard, to "Streets and squares in <foo>". The entire category tree Category:Streets and squares by city works like that, but for these three cities that has been split into a "street" part and a "square" part, which isn't particularly useful. >Radiant< 09:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, especially for London. Category:Squares in London is very well populated, and the London square is a subject in its own right. There are books about it, and there is an "Open Squares Weekend" every year. All the London squares need to be in one category, and Category:Streets in London has begun to be split by borough. Hawkestone 10:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Given we're talking about London here - and there's a fair bit of work still to be done across London - I think there would a danger of creating a category with too many items for it to be useful to those trying to find anything. Presumably that would then create a request in the future for disaggregation. Interestingly, if you put London Streets into the search it produces a list with Streets of London the song very near the top. This page in turn has no reference to a category called Category:Streets in London. Might it be useful to cross-refer at the top of each category to the other? Cosmopolitancats 17:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:EDA people

Over categorization; unfamiliar acronym. Delete Peta 09:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Rename to Category:Electronic design automation people. Perfectly appropriate subcategory of Category:Electronic design automation. The other subcategories should have their acronyms expanded as well. Recury 16:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video game flops

Not objectively defined. Combination 08:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This categorization is entirely subjective. The category right now seems to just be populated with bad games. --- RockMFR 14:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Berlin metro stations

Delete. This creates an extra (unecessary) level of hierarchy between Category:Transport in Berlin and both Category:Berlin S-Bahn stations and Category:Berlin U-Bahn stations. It only exists for those two subcategories, and it is highly unlikely there will be more systems with metro stations to include later. 'S-Bahn stations' was already in 'Transport in Berlin,' so it seemed even more redundant to me. Keatinga 06:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:MySpace people

Delete - with the exception of a couple of MySpace execs, the categroy is for people who are otherwise not notable except for having myspace accounts. The executives can be housed in the appropriate executive categories. If the people with myspace accounts are somehow actually notable then they can be put in the internet celebrity category. Otto4711 06:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. When half the world is on its way to having MySpace accounts, this is not defining at all. Doczilla 08:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete per nom. These days, people are notable for not having a myspace presence. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Krusty Krab

Delete - a category for a fictional restaurant. The main article serves as an appropriate navigational hub for the fictional restaurant so there is no need for a category. Otto4711 05:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I do not think we need to categorize fictional characters by fictional employers. Dr. Submillimeter 06:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Doczilla 08:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:US Presidents from Ohio

Delete: Too limited for a separate category, and already covered by Lists of United States Presidents by place of birth ShelfSkewed talk 04:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Since there is have been fewer US Presidents than there are states, sub-catting them by state is a poor logic for sub-categorising them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Presidents of the United States already have many categories. Categorization by state of origin just adds to the category clutter. Also, this is impractical for some presidents who have lived in multiple locations (e.g. George H. W. Bush from Connecticut/Massachusetts/Maine/Texas). Dr. Submillimeter 06:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As category clutter. Hawkestone 10:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wise Men

Delete - the lead article The Wise Men serves as an appropriate navigational hub. This is overcategorization. Otto4711 03:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - People should not be categorized by catchphrase like this. I agree that The Wise Men is also sufficient for navigation. Dr. Submillimeter 16:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brown Brothers Harriman partners

Delete - a comprehensive list exists in the article for the company and the individual articles link to the company article. There is no need for this category as a navigational hub. Otto4711 03:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Horn Book editors

Delete - I merged several stub articles from the category into List of Horn Book Magazine editors and linked it to the main magazine article. The list article and the one substantive article are both categorized under American magazine editors. There is no need for this category. Otto4711 03:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Novels by Clive Cussler

Delete, This category is pretty much the same thing and serves the same purpose as 'Books by Clive Cussler' Splamo 01:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, and also leave populated until this debate you started is done. Also Novels are not intrinsically Books or vice versa. See debate on I think the 22 March about "Works by Author" :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still should have been left till end of debate. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 17:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wrestling Society X championships

WSX has only one championship, and thus this category only has one article. PepsiPlunge 01:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as part of the Category:Professional wrestling championships by promotion tree. Otto4711 01:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It doesn't look like WSX is going to last much longer, and even if it does, there'll still only be one article, or maybe two if they decide to make a tag team title for some reason. MarcK 08:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 '''Upmerge''' per standard, to "Streets and squares in <foo>". The entire category tree [[:Category:Streets and squares by city]] works like that, but for these three cities that has been split into a "street" part and a "square" part, which isn't particularly useful. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#0000DD">&gt;<font color="#0066FF">R<font color="#0099FF">a<font color="#00CCFF">d<font color="#00EEFF">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 09:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Oppose''', especially for London. [[:Category:Squares in London]] is very well populated, and the London square is a subject in its own right. There are books about it, and there is an "Open Squares Weekend" every year. All the London squares need to be in one category, and [[:Category:Streets in London]] has begun to be split by borough. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 10:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' Given we're talking about London here - and there's a fair bit of work still to be done across London - I there would a danger of creating a category with too many items for it to be useful to those trying to find anything. Presumably that would then create a request in the future for disaggregation. Interestingly, if you put London Streets into the search it produces a list with [[Streets of London]] the song very near the top.  This page in turn has no reference to a category called [[:Category:Streets in London]].  Might it be useful to cross-refer at the top of each category to the other? [[User:Cosmopolitancats|Cosmopolitancats]] 17:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' Given we're talking about London here - and there's a fair bit of work still to be done across London - I think there would a danger of creating a category with too many items for it to be useful to those trying to find anything. Presumably that would then create a request in the future for disaggregation. Interestingly, if you put London Streets into the search it produces a list with [[Streets of London]] the song very near the top.  This page in turn has no reference to a category called [[:Category:Streets in London]].  Might it be useful to cross-refer at the top of each category to the other? [[User:Cosmopolitancats|Cosmopolitancats]] 17:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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