Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 2

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 2, 2024.

Gaza holocaust

• Gaza holocaust → Palestinian genocide accusation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 20#Gaza Holocaust. Gaza Holocaust is salted ([1]) against creation, this seams to be a loophole with capital letters. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 ☎️ 📄 14:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The Muslim World

• The Muslim World → Muslim world  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Probably should be redirected to Hartford International University for Religion and Peace#The Muslim World per WP:DIFFCAPS. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

It was redirected in 2010 by Mynuddeenster. Before that, it redirected to Javed Malik because of a TV series or something? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete or disambiguate as too vague and no clear primary topic. – GnocchiFan (talk) 19:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• disambiguate -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 01:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
• Retarget per nom, and possibly add a hatnote to Muslim world. Disambiguation seems unnecessary. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 11:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget but hatnote per CycloneYoris. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Glorification of Palestinian terrorism

• Glorification of Palestinian terrorism → Martyrdom in Palestinian society  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's not even nominally about the same subject. No pages link to it, it serves no purpose other than to be inflammatory.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per the above. – GnocchiFan (talk) 15:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

It could be working to stop dubious articles with that name continually reappearing? Irtapil (talk) 07:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

If the potential benefit of this redirect is that its existence prevents new articles from being made with that particular title, I think salting is a better solution.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Not sure I understand the problem. The article deals with the glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society right? This includes glorification of groups considered terrorists in the West. Is it not best to have it just as a redirect than an actual article title or article? Homerethegreat (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

"The article deals with the glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society right?" No, it does not. It did, and then we discussed it at two venues with overwhelming results in favor of dropping the "glorification of" from the title and remaking the page from the ground up to be about martyrdom, not the judgmental "glorification" prepended to the title, as one editor put it. Results at the move discussion were unanimous, and at the AfD, most editors on either side of the keep/delete question all agreed the title had to go and the article needed some serious NPOV work (though you were one of the few voices that praised the old title). At the heart of the NPOV issues was the interchangeable use of "martyr" and "terrorist." Before other editors discussed and started improving the page, it was not an article about martyrdom, but a polemical essay written to dehumanize a nationality. Any remaining material that conflates the two concepts (martyr and terrorist) will have to be cleaned up. The old title is now a redirect, which is still questionable, but this particular redirect - which has never been linked to from any page - is especially inflammatory and serves no purpose. It is better to salt it than to keep it around.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for further input, and since consensus is not entirely clear.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society

• Glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society → Martyrdom in Palestinian society  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Background: We had an AfD for the article "Glorification of martyrdom in Palestinian society" that closed as keep, hinged on changing the title to drop "Glorification of" as editors felt it was inappropriate and inflammatory.

We then initiated a move discussion at the talk page, which had unanimous support in favor of dropping "Glorification of" from the title for the same reasons.

As numerous editors felt that the old title was not acceptable, and I find it improbable that a reader is going to search for a title that starts with "glorification of", I believe the old title should be deleted.

 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep per {{R from move}} and WP:RNEUTRAL. 92.17.4.86 (talk) 10:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Please note that this discussion falls under the extended confirmed restriction for Arab-Israeli conflict content. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 18:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I appreciate Tamzin's striking of the above IP editor !vote per the extended confirmed restrictions. I would like to very briefly respond to the IP's argument in case any eligible !voters may find it agreeable. We are not required to keep an offensive title as a redirect if the redirect is not useful; it is not a plausible search term and there is minimal risk of link rot due to how the page has not existed for a significant length of time. Looking through the "what links here" results revealed that most of the links to it were inappropriate easter eggs anyways. I have gone through all the links to either update to the new title where appropriate or remove the in-text link where inappropriate, so deleting this redirect will not break anything.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

    But could those redirects work to prevent those offensive articles continually reappearing? Irtapil (talk) 07:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

    "prevent those offensive articles continually reappearing" - If we want to prevent offensive article titles from continual recreation, that's what salt is for.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

    Keep. Salting is a way of preventing article creation, but when the offensive title is a plausible search term (and given that people keep creating articles at titles like this it clearly is) then it is significantly preferable to protect the title as a redirect (as people are taken to neutral content about the topic they are looking for) rather than salting (where we tell them we have no relevant content and they have to get lucky with search results, which may be several clicks/taps away). Salting is appropriate for repeatedly recreated titles that are nonsense and/or unrelated to encyclopaedic topics, which is not the case here. While the IP editor's views cannot be considered in this topic area, they are relevant, appropriate and appear to have been made in good faith. Thryduulf (talk) 01:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

No Flow

• No Flow → UK Singles Chart  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per WP:NSONG. Deletion to encourage article creation may be desirable. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: "No Flow" could also refer to a fluid that is stationary or doesn't flow, which we discuss in Stagnation point, Water stagnation, and Air stagnation (perhaps a broad-concept article on the fluid mechanics of this could be in order?). No opinion on most of the rest. Duckmather (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ambiguous and unhelpful. No reason for keeping. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of UK Independent Singles Chart number ones of 2001 per WP:DIFFCAPS. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

To Be in Love

• To Be in Love → UK Singles Chart  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per WP:NSONG. Deletion to encourage article creation may be desirable. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment: "To Be in Love" could also refer to Romance (love). No opinion on most of the rest. Duckmather (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Way too vague in my opinion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
• Is there fuel for a dab? We have Swing Softly, Masters at Work discography, and Eighth World at least. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 06:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)