Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 February 22

February 22

Template:Year in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

• Template:Year in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. All relevant articles appear to have been redirected to the main article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Yes/styles.css

• Template:Yes/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused CSS subpage. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Unbulleted list citebundle/styles.css

• Template:Unbulleted list citebundle/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused CSS subpage. The problem this page was trying to solve may have been fixed in the template itself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. The fix is now in the template itself. Using a CSS subpage was not reliable for this template because it was ignored in many cases like the mouse-over popup on desktop browsers. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Script/styles tangut.css

• Template:Script/styles tangut.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Script/styles sutton signwriting.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused CSS subpages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Cases COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia/styles.css

• Template:Cases COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused CSS subpage. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Flagicon/styles.css

• Template:Flagicon/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused subpage. Discussed in a couple of places. Unclear whether it was ever used or whether the problem discussed was implemented somewhere else. Izno might know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person/styles.css

• Template:Infobox person/styles.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused subpage. Created as part of a discussion in 2018, but it was either never implemented or was implemented in a different way. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Infobox hieroglyphs/style.css

• Template:Infobox hieroglyphs/style.css (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused subpage. The addition of this CSS to the template was reverted a few hours after its addition in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Algeria/doc

• Template:WikiProject Algeria/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No longer needed after the parent template was modified to use automatic documentation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:WNBA roster header current

• Template:WNBA roster header current (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:WNBA roster footer current (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. This template appears to have been replaced by {{sports roster}} (example replacement). – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:SEPTA Metro header

• Template:SEPTA Metro header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A new template for a specific size is not needed. {{ric|SEPTA Metro|L|size=28}} (and any other size) works just fine. Gonnym (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Cards84664 23:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Vu

• Template:Vu (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Created about a month ago. Possibly an experiment or demonstration? If it is kept, it should be moved without a redirect to a better name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Keep. No tranclusions because it is always substituted.

<uninvolved>. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

A subst only template should be marked as such. Gonnym (talk) 00:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:WPRYT Request

• Template:WPRYT Request (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:WSDTFlag

• Template:WSDTFlag (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wpref

• Template:Wpref (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template created 2.5 years ago. Gonnym (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

As the creator, I am not opposed to deleting this template. I created this without knowing the existence of {{oldid}} and {{Cross-wiki oldid}}. 1F616EMO (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Featured Article Medal

• Template:Featured Article Medal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Created in 2005. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Deferred-Class

• Template:Deferred-Class (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Defunct assessment-related template apparently used by WP 1.0, but no longer needed. No transclusions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:IE

• Template:IE (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No transclusions. Created in 2010. Possibly useful way back then, but probably not now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, this template was supposed to redirect to the Inland Empire template. That was the reason I initially created it. House1090 (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the template says it has something to do with indicating what version of Microsoft Internet Explorer uses which version of its HTML engine MSHTML... but it's a horrible name for such a template -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 08:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• @Gyrobo: who rewrote the template for MSIE -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 08:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  There were a few pages back then for comparing web browser rendering engines for different features. Over time those historical notes and the pages themselves became irrelevant and were removed or reorganized, and older browsers that had no usage were removed. This template was highly useful when multiple old versions of Internet Explorer were lingering, but at this point it's a relic that is confusing and can just be removed. Gyrobo (talk) 12:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Charlie Chaplin sidebar

• Template:Charlie Chaplin sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All links are featured in his navbox making this redundant. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but how is it redundant? Couldn't this sidebar be useful for readers? Historyday01 (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Laurence Olivier sidebar

• Template:Laurence Olivier sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Four links to articles. Not much for navigation. All article links are featured in his navbox making this redundant. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Angela Lansbury sidebar

• Template:Angela Lansbury sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC) Three article links. One is to a notable character. The other link is a redirec to an article section. Not much use for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Maggie Smith sidebar

• Template:Maggie Smith sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four links. Two are articles on notable characters she has played. There's not much here. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Vanessa Redgrave sidebar

• Template:Vanessa Redgrave sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four links to articles. Too little for navigation for a sidebar. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:ProjectCars2

• Template:ProjectCars2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All blue links are to drafts in userspace. DB1729^talk 14:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Pichpich (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:John Carradine's Dracula

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G5 by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 06:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• Template:John Carradine's Dracula (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This recently created navbox by a blocked user seems to miss the point of what a navbox is. I'm not even sure what half of these articles are even doing here! In any case, as a specific portrayal by an actor of a character, this clearly fails WP:PERFNAV. --woodensuperman 14:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy delete under WP:CSD#G5, as the template was created after the user's other accounts were already blocked. I have already removed all transclusions in Special:Diff/1209651796, Special:Diff/1209652163, Special:Diff/1209652423, Special:Diff/1209652967, Special:Diff/1209653526. Also, the navbox appears to contain a filmography for an actor, which WP:FILMNAV says should be avoided. PleaseStand (talk) 00:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Ingrid Bergman sidebar

• Template:Ingrid Bergman sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A small sidebar that does very little for navigation. All links can be found through the main article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:REH bibliography

• Template:REH bibliography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Four links and all links are featured in Howard's navbox which features all articles on his work. A sidebar for this isn't needed if it just going to list his prose and poems list articles. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 04:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Spencer Tracy sidebar

• Template:Spencer Tracy sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A small sidebar with the bare minimum to navigate with. The article on the John Tracey Clinic has very little connection to Tracy himself. Outside of that just four links. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Paul Newman sidebar

• Template:Paul Newman sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to the navbox for Newman as all links here are featured in the navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Katharine Hepburn sidebar

• Template:Katharine Hepburn sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to the navbox for Hepburn where all articles links are already featured. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Bette Davis sidebar

• Template:Bette Davis sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four links to articles. Not enough to navigated with for a sidebar. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Al Pacino sidebar

• Template:Al Pacino sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four links to articles. All of which are in the navbox for Pacino. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Robert De Niro sidebar

• Template:Robert De Niro sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A sidebar that is almost the same as the navbox minus the links that include De Niro's family members. Every link outside of what's displayed as "Quotes", "Gallery", and the link to Travis Bickle, is verbatim a copy of the navbox. The sidebar does not differ much in terms of navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

REPLY TO ALL: (except REH Bibl.) In several instances, the sidebar is a quicknav between the main, filmography, and awards article; links to quotes and gallery not just from main article, but also while in said other articles, making it an easy jump from filmography to gallery, for example. In such, these could be sufficient even to replace bottom templates. One comment I read, stated that these were more aesthetically pleasing–thumbnail and colors I'm sure. I'll have to locate that comment, because I saw it over 2 months ago, and can't recall which article's talk page contained it.

Vanessa Redgrave's sidebar was the initial sidebar that I used to base things off of, and oddly hers is not nominated. But nevertheless, I think they're worth keeping and open to discussing ways to improving them. Perhaps expanding sidebars to list films of these actors, all of whom are amongst the most-nominated Oscar nominees; specifically their nominated performances. Just contemplating. I actually was always worried it would be considered too BIG, so I kept the links no more than 2 lines' worth. Figured most would consider it an intrusion otherwise......

This reply is applicable to all nominated w/ exception of "REH Bibliography", no clue about that. But I created all of the others. I do wonder if any could warrant being kept or what their purpose COULD be. Not saying this means keep them all, but perhaps for a few of the actors, it would be applicable. And thus, give a better understanding moving forward as to who warrants one/requires in order to maintain one. What would make it worthwhile versus a bottom nav template; their distinct purposes.

When I first saw the Vanessa Redgrave template, I thought the idea was that it was a quick connection between main article, filmography, awards, and family tree pages. So I copied that and modified it per person. Some have the family tree, like Hepburn, Chaplin, etc., in distinct articles; De Niro does not, so I didn't include his. As has been stated, his is on the nav temp on the bottom. Others I added characters they're known for originating, such as Brando w/ Stanley Kowalski, Pacino w/ Michael Corleone, et al. Some have achievements, like Bette Davis and the Hollywood Canteen or Paul Newman with his company + charity.

But looking at some more complex sidebars, what distinguishes them seems to be highlighting some more individual achievements. So that's why I brought up listing select films of theirs. Perhaps instead of the same links as bottom nav templates, why not list selected filmographies on the sidebars w/ Oscar nominations. Anyway, I'll leave it at that for now. I apologize for jumbling this all together, as this took me by surprise right before going to sleep. I can't do individually-based assessments/defenses presently, but if need be, tomorrow. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 05:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)