Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 4

May 4

Template:Portland ME Radio/doc

• Template:Portland ME Radio/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Parent template uses Navbox documentation. DrChuck68 (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Template:Tweet

• Template:Tweet (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A cute template, but out of place in mainspace encyclopaedia articles (where it is most commonly used). When quoting books, we don't try to replicate their font and layout. When quoting films, we don't make little drawings of the characters with speech bubbles. So I see no reason why tweets should be the exception to MOS:CONFORM, which states that we make quoted material fit Wikipedia's typographic conventions, not the other way around.

The justification given in the documentation is that the template is an alternative to standard quotation templates because it displays metadata related to the tweet (date of posting, user's name, user's handle, etc.), but all of this metadata can also be contained in a standard quote template (in the author and source fields).

If deleted, existing uses could be migrated to the standard {{Quote}} or {{Quote box}} templates. – Joe (talk) 12:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

• Remove the imitative styling and convert it to a shorthand for {{Quote box}} and {{Cite tweet}}. Having a template for quoting a tweet is fine, but the attempt at replicating the Twitter layout is purely decorative and doesn't belong in our encyclopedia. Nardog (talk) 12:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove. There is no reason not to just use the {{Quote}} template since it conforms with the style of Wikipedia and works just as well for tweets. CharlieEdited (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Comment: If this is deleted, Template:Quote tweet should probably follow. Gonnym (talk) 06:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Delete, an encyclopedic article shouldn't strive to imitate the tweet layout. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Delete for the same reason as ChaoticEnby. Additionally, posts on that website are no longer called Tweets. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove imitative styling per Nardog - Someone, i guess^{(talk i guess|le edit list)} 15:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

shitpost: wikipedians not remove all sources of whimsy challenge [impossible]

Comment: more seriously, I disagree with @CharlieEdited as the tweet template fields that the quote template lacks are often critical to understanding the meaning, context, & significance of the tweet, mainly the replyto and date fields. If the tweet template must die then I agree with @Nardog that it should not be deleted but converted into a shorthand for {{Quote}} + {{Cite tweet}}. However,

(Oppose) I would also like to make a case for why it is not only acceptable but preferable that {{Tweet}} mimics the form of a tweet:

1. tweets are not like books. They are fundamentally different forms of communication with different norms and purposes.

2. therefore, it is an aid to the reader to present quoted tweets in a format similar to their native one. it helps the reader understand the context of the quote.

3. the context of the quote includes to whom the tweet is in reply to (if anyone), as well as the full date (and not just year) that it was posted, as well as the very fact that it was posted to twitter at all as opposed to elsewhere.

4. however, the font and "layout" of a book is almost always irrelevant to a quote from that book,

5. which is why tweets are quoted as tweets instead of like books, even in in articles, even sometimes in printed books i think.

6. thus {{Tweet}} mimics the layout, and semantic structure, of a tweet, but does not mimic the fonts or other stylings of real tweets, nor hyperlink every single @mention or #hashtag.

(7. and quite frankly I think the Tweet template looks very handsome & encyclopedic who's my handsome little template!)

Thus stands my argument for keeping the {{Tweet}} template, apologies for it being so long, and thank you for considering it.

Thank you ~ 99.146.242.37 (talk) 04:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)