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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Thank you for signing up! JarrahTree 06:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. MWQs (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@JarrahTree I was looking for Oceania and Antarctica actually, on the suggested edits thing, do you know how to get more specific suggestions of articles needing work? MWQs (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Oceania is best understood at WP:WikiProject Oceania and similarly WP:WikiProject Antarctica. That is one way in. A significant number of Oceania items have really been more specifically Australian, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Oceania_articles - however there is inadequate distinction as to where the subsidiary projects fit, Melanesia, Micronesia, Polynesia - when the Oceania project was created there were inadequate numbers involved at any point - as a consequence it is a project and subprojects that are needing a lot of care and understanding.

Antarctica has recent rationalisation of articles, and at points the distinction between the territorial/administrative divisions are not necessarily as neat or easy to follow - but worth checking out. Very simple things like project tagging was something quite recent. There are other ways again to reply to your question -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oceania/Popular_pages is at times a highly mysterious point of contact.

But enough for the moment. JarrahTree 12:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@JarrahTree those links don't seem to exist? MWQs (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The cartegory links do though. MWQs (talk) 13:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Sandboxes

are by definition not in main space - please do not activate live categories in sandbox space. I have disabled your current items. Thank you. JarrahTree 06:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Did you fix it all already or do I need to do something? MWQs (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@JarrahTree I've been deleting all the categories off things when I copy them to there now, does that fix it? I usually edit bits there and then copy back just the bits I've worked on, so I don't really need the whole article. MWQs (talk) 11:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

infobox fusion

Abu Mahmoud
أبو محمود
Personal details
Born	(1960-02-14)14 February 1960 London
Died	19 January 2010(2010-01-19) (aged 49) Dublin
Resting place	Glasgow
Political party	Sinn Fein
Parent	His father was from Melbourne
Military career
Allegiance	IRA
Rank	Chief Logistics Office

How do I combine infobox thingies if none of the existing options have all the relevant fields? Like if a person had a few different careers?

MWQs (talk) 23:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Try looking at the source for the infobox on John Glenn where the | module= {{Infobox method is used to chain infoboxes. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh, Thank you for the example, that helped a bit. But I still can't get it to fit together, I keep getting a box in a box. I tried a few combinations of different infoboxes, the results were a bit different, I think for a few of them I managed to make the "child" parameter work to stop the name doubling up, but none of them fit together neatly like the example. MWQs (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes the child parameter works, other times you may have to use the embed parameter. Check the infobox's documentation in each case. I'm sure there is work that could be done to make the infoboxes more consistent, but they are already such a sprawling mess that you just have to adapt rather than wait for everything to be rationalized.

You should also be careful about how the different infoboxes handle similar data to avoid repetitions or odd-looking placements. For instance, the parameters for birthplace and burial place (resting place) from the outer infobox should be used instead of the ones from the child infobox. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. @Jmcgnh The key details just ended up that way around because I kept swapping the nesting trying to make it work. MWQs (talk) 07:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

How difficult is it to add one extra parameter to a box? If I find a box that has all except one, can I just add the missing field myself somehow? MWQs (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it's all that difficult, technically, but it may require permissions or getting consensus. You would need to look carefully at the documentation for Template:Infobox to see how your new field could be made to fit in. And, sometimes, your need has already been anticipated, it's just in an infobox template that you haven't found yet. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh is there anything in particular I need to watch out for with "need to look carefully to see how it would be made to fit"? MWQs (talk) 08:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

That's just me looking at the documentation and being impressed by how much I don't know about how the infobox module works. Without trying it, I don't know what stumbling blocks one is likely to encounter. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh, politician and officeholder seem very versatile (one is a redirect to the other), is it OK to use one with a name that doesn't match well? As in the name of the infobox is incongrous with the person? If the fields are all useful? MWQs (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

If it seems too incongruous, someone may object. But try it, if it allows you to get the fields you want. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Your edits to Jewish fascism

Hi, I'm noticing that you're repeatedly blanking and restoring content on Jewish fascism. Please note that unexplained blanking, even if self-reverted, is disruptive. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Neuropol, I was just moving sections. Sorry I should have written edit summaries, I usly do. I was integrating some things I had been working on in my sandbox, I forgot to go back to writing edit summaries when I switched to main page. MWQs (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It comes across quite concerningly on diffs. Thank you for responding, and thank you for improving Wikipedia! Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Neuropol, Is there a way to add edit summaries after? Or correct typos etc.? I wrote a proper summary for the first one, I just forgot to explain myself when shuffling it around to fit into the article. MWQs (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

No retrospective edit summaries, unfortunately. However, you should be good now that I've left you a message. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Neuropol, Isn't that the wrong way around? I already know what I was doing in those edits. I put a message on the talk page incase I confused anyone else, and because my subsequent edits also buried the edit summary with an explanation of what I added and from where. MWQs (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Neuropol, Have you been working on that article much? What do you think of the name? It seems to be a valid topic to have an article about, but the name is a bit provocative? Maybe "fascist Jewish nationalism" would be an improvement? MWQs (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I think you should use whichever name is most present or meaningful. If you choose to use "Jewish fascism", make sure it is supportable, and if you're unsure, I suggest gathering consensus. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Neuropol

I didn't pick the name, I just found a page started by others.

Where did you see my edits if you're not working on the page?

MWQs (talk) 17:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I originally saw your edits when patrolling recent changes. It showed up as "likely vandalism" or "likely has problems", but it seems it was just an error in automation. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 17:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Template for "check the source actually says that"?

Is there a variation of {{citation needed}} for "check the source actually says that"? If it was a source I had access to I would do it myself, but a few I've seen are books that I don't have access to.

Also, is there a template for "needs more than one source" or "needs a better source"? For where an important or controversial statement is supported by a single source or a weak source.

MWQs (talk) 07:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

{{disputed}} is useful if you don't think a source says what it says, {{failed verification}} if it's not in the source. {{one source}} is useful if there's only one source, {{refimprove}} can also be used. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac, Thank you. Sorry I was reading backwards from the end. Those seem to solve the issues that the other two don't yet cover.

I'll have a closer look. MWQs (talk) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Should I use those other links instead of the {{help me}} template? Or are they just additional suggestions? MWQs (talk) 07:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

They're just other options. Primefac (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac, Thank you. MWQs (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

You can see most of the relevant templates here: Template:Inline cleanup tags

As you can see {{better source needed}} and {{verify source}} already exist for two of your questions.

I would expect "needs more than one source" to be a very rare situation; perhaps {{Needs independent confirmation}} is close enough? — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh, Thank you, verify source and better source probably cover it well enough. MWQs (talk) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

What did you mean by "eddit conflict"? MWQs (talk) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

An edit conflict occurs when two different editors are attempting to make changes to the same page at the same time. One of them gets their changes in first and the second one is informed that there has been an edit conflict.

What to do? Often, the first response is good enough so I simply abandon my attempt. Other times, I feel that the response I've prepared sheds a different light on the question and is still worth posting. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh, Thank you. MWQs (talk) 09:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)