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*'''Comment''' - I think it's also worth looking at [[Talk:Unidentified decedent]], particularly "[[Talk:Unidentified_decedent#Why_ruin_the_page?|Why ruin the page?]]" and "[[Talk:Unidentified_decedent#Lists of formerly unidentified decedents|Lists of formerly unidentified decedents]]". Perhaps some of the more notable cases could be merged into [[Unidentified decedent#Notable cases]], with a note that they were identified in such and such year (ex. [[Joseph Henry Loveless]], [[Murder of Elizabeth Roberts]], or [[Murder of Joseph Augustus Zarelli]]). However, most of this could really just be a category. [[User:Jellyfish|<small style="color:#0080FF;background:#EAEAFF;border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">jellyfish</small>]] [[User talk:Jellyfish|✉]] 01:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' - I think it's also worth looking at [[Talk:Unidentified decedent]], particularly "[[Talk:Unidentified_decedent#Why_ruin_the_page?|Why ruin the page?]]" and "[[Talk:Unidentified_decedent#Lists of formerly unidentified decedents|Lists of formerly unidentified decedents]]". Perhaps some of the more notable cases could be merged into [[Unidentified decedent#Notable cases]], with a note that they were identified in such and such year (ex. [[Joseph Henry Loveless]], [[Murder of Elizabeth Roberts]], or [[Murder of Joseph Augustus Zarelli]]). However, most of this could really just be a category. [[User:Jellyfish|<small style="color:#0080FF;background:#EAEAFF;border:2px solid;border-radius:4px;padding:0 4px">jellyfish</small>]] [[User talk:Jellyfish|✉]] 01:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::I strongly oppose any such list at the [[Unidentified decedents]] article. The very reasons for deletion are the same reasons why an in-article list are inappropriate. You could try a category but I suspect that too would end up at [[WP:CFD]] as a non-encyclopedic cross categorization.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
::I strongly oppose any such list at the [[Unidentified decedents]] article. The very reasons for deletion are the same reasons why an in-article list are inappropriate. You could try a category but I suspect that too would end up at [[WP:CFD]] as a non-encyclopedic cross categorization.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yep, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_December_6#Category:Formerly_unidentified_murder_victims you're right] - category deleted at CfD. [[User:Jellyfish (mobile)|Jellyfish (mobile)]] ([[User talk:Jellyfish (mobile)|talk]]) 18:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Sadustu Tau|Sadustu Tau]] ([[User talk:Sadustu Tau|talk]]) 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
:'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Sadustu Tau|Sadustu Tau]] ([[User talk:Sadustu Tau|talk]]) 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Fork of Unidentified decedent. Only page content, aside from list entries, is copied from Unidentified decedent. Would be better implemented as a category rather than WP:LISTCRUFT. jellyfish ✉ 18:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Crime. jellyfish ✉ 18:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also, from previous nominations - it still fails WP:NLIST, per 4meter4's reasoning here. jellyfish ✉ 18:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per first AFD rationale. Also WP:SALT to prevent recreation. Fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This list is an original grouping that is never discussed collectively as a list in any sources; compiled through an original synthesis. This is essentially WP:LISTCRUFT. According to NAMUS's own statistics, law enforcement in the United States successfully identified 7,188 unidentified bodies in 2023 alone. That's just one nation. Being a formerly unidentified body is not unusual or encyclopedic.4meter4 (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- delete per above. I too can see having a category but as group they have little to do with one another. Mangoe (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I think it's also worth looking at Talk:Unidentified decedent, particularly "Why ruin the page?" and "Lists of formerly unidentified decedents". Perhaps some of the more notable cases could be merged into Unidentified decedent#Notable cases, with a note that they were identified in such and such year (ex. Joseph Henry Loveless, Murder of Elizabeth Roberts, or Murder of Joseph Augustus Zarelli). However, most of this could really just be a category. jellyfish ✉ 01:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose any such list at the Unidentified decedents article. The very reasons for deletion are the same reasons why an in-article list are inappropriate. You could try a category but I suspect that too would end up at WP:CFD as a non-encyclopedic cross categorization.4meter4 (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, you're right - category deleted at CfD. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose any such list at the Unidentified decedents article. The very reasons for deletion are the same reasons why an in-article list are inappropriate. You could try a category but I suspect that too would end up at WP:CFD as a non-encyclopedic cross categorization.4meter4 (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Sadustu Tau (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)