Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 18

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 18, 2024.

Epsilon Eridani c

• Epsilon Eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Epsilon eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section does not mention Epsilon Eridani c. Also, the former section named "Planet c" was removed from the target article in Special:Diff/1154409029 (as shown in the "Broken anchors" note at Talk:List of nearest stars). GTrang (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep, this planet candidate is still mentioned by name in the target section: The JCMT images show signs of clumpy structure in the belt that may be explained by gravitational perturbation from a planet, dubbed Epsilon Eridani c. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Papa Emeritus 2

• Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.

I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.

Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Botswanan

• Botswanan → Botswana  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

oops wrong place 48JCL 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD, please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 48JCL I think you maybe need to give a bit more of an argument for why it should be retargeted. Even if Botswanan isn't a "proper" word I think for most readers the main Botswana article is a good target; it also mentions the Tswana people in the lead paragraph for example. Skynxnex (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• "Botswanan" not being 'a proper word' isn't really an issue-- the question is if it's *a plausible word*. Adding an -n, -an, or -ian suffix to the name of a place is a typical English way of signifying "from this place" or "people from this place", see American, Mexican, Canadian, Italian, ect, just like "-ish" (English, Spanish, ect) or "-ese" (Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, ect). I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the term Batswana to invent terms like Botswanese, Botswanish, or, yes, Botswanan.
  That said, I would Retarget to the Tswana DAB, simply to match the other 'from this place' words above. The searcher is clearly looking for information on *something* from Botswana- let's both inform them of the correct term, AND offer up the multiple meanings for said word. After all, who's to say they're not looking for the language they speak in Botswana? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

LGBT in Russia

• LGBT in Russia → LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't it target to a specific page and then use a template to indicate "For other uses, see LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)"? Also, this disambiguation feels strange to me, LGBT in Brazil points to LGBT rights in Brazil. LGBT in the United States points to LGBT people in the United States, but we don't have a LGBT people in Russia. So retarget to LGBT rights in Russia? If the target is kept, we should start disambiguating countries that have history, rights, people, and culture with "LGBT in [country]". --MikutoH ^talk! 00:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Sdn Bhd

• Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in article Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a {{R with possibilities}}. The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)