Talk:Eric I, Duke of Mecklenburg

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Eric or Albert?

I believe this portrait by Theodor Fischer depicts Albert, not Eric. A wider view from Schloss Schwerin shows the text above the painting, which identifies him as King Albert. This painting is from 19th century and has always been in the same gallery, so it seems unlikely that the identity of the subject would have been forgotten. The Gotland symbol can surely be explained in a variety of ways, as he did rule Gotland with the Victual Brothers. Isn't it also unlikely that the heir would have been depicted with the crown?

One can compare with other portraits of Albert: [1][2][3] (Nationalmuseum server seems to be unreliable, but the last link does occasionally work). He's wearing the same clothes in the above images, and given the artistic licence, there is some likeness, as is there with the fresco of him as an old man (e.g. the hair and the eyebrows). Jähmefyysikko (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

And the Gotland symbol specified in the image's caption? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

What of it? Without some reliable source we don't know what exactly it symbolizes, and since Albert himself had a connection to Gotland, it hardly counts as evidence for the claim that this should be Eric. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

That symbol is most likely a generic Agnus Dei which is a common Christian symbol. Persevant (talk) 13:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, Gotland's coat of arms has a ram instead of a lamb, and the flag has five tails, unlike this one. On the other hand, historically Gotland's coat of arms seems to be very close to generic Agnus Dei (commons), so its difficult to say whether this one should now be interpreted as a reference to Gotland. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

This, rather obviously, is what Eric has hanging from his neck. Any NPOV person can see that. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

For the interested, here's a short description of the Ahnengalerie: https://www.landesmuseum-mv.de/en/exhibit/ancestral-portrait-gallery-in-schwerin-palace/ The painting is also discussed in this book:

• Borchardt, Erika and Jürgen (1991). Mecklenburgs Herzöge : Ahnengalerie Schloß Schwerin (in German). Schwerin: Demmler. ISBN 978-3-910150-07-2.

I don't have full access, but these Google Books snippets [4][5] give some background information on which works the painting was based on. Apparently this painting was "helpful", but Fischer's painting was based more on a drawing by Carl George Schumacher, which unfortunately seems to have been lost during WW2 [6]. Perhaps the book would also tell what Schumacher's drawing was based on. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)