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* '''Support'''. I'm not really crazy about these types of articles in general, but this would be a more accurate title for something that's just going after "well it's been in a lot of lists". [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 16:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Support'''. I'm not really crazy about these types of articles in general, but this would be a more accurate title for something that's just going after "well it's been in a lot of lists". [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 16:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support'''. If we have to have this article (and arguably we should), its name should at least give as little weight to its content as possible. [[User:Tduk|Tduk]] ([[User talk:Tduk|talk]]) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Use of "frac" vs. Unicode ½ vs HTML entity ½
Hi folks,
I'm sure there's a good reason for this, but why is Fellini's movie 8½ described using 'frac' i.e. with {{
frac|8|1|2
}}
(8+1⁄2)?
This seems to offer little improvement over the actual Unicode 'half' character ('½') which is used in the wikilink anyway. If a user's system doesn't support ½, then it won't be able to open the link to that article – though I suppose in that edge case, you could argue that at least this article might display OK even if the link doesn't work.
If Unicode is a stretch, how about an HTML entity? They've been a W3C recommendation since 1999, so unlikely to cause even the oldest of web-capable devices to break a sweat. That would make the film's title 8½
in the source, which is pretty human-readable if you can't have "8½".
I wouldn't have noticed if 'frac' worked. But on my Mac (running Firefox on Mac OS 11 Big Sur) the text appeared initially as "8 1/2", then after I looked at the source and subsequently cancelled, it started appering as "8+1/2"!
Looks like an issue with Template:Fraction, the Mediawiki codebase, or perhaps something else. The source for Template:Fraction appears to be here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fraction/styles.css
AFI List
Any idea why there is no mention of the AFI lists? Generally it's regarded as one of the better lists of top films:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years...100_Movies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whubbard (talk • contribs) 09:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- The American Film Institute only considers films from the US. TompaDompa (talk) 11:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's a moot point anyway, because those polls are included in the United States section. Betty Logan (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Will this ever be more like the book and video game lists?
Genuinely wondering why we need so much space dedicated to some of the least populous areas of the globe Alena 33 (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we make this list like some other random article? As for you second point, Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER. Betty Logan (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, List of books considered the best and List of video games considered the best should be more like this list in terms of WP:LISTCRITERIA and so on. TompaDompa (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is say it should be similar for the sake of consistency. 2600:1006:B027:2F3F:B1D1:5F29:FBB4:7B11 (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, List of books considered the best and List of video games considered the best should be more like this list in terms of WP:LISTCRITERIA and so on. TompaDompa (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Does this count?
NEWS SIDEBAR: `The 50 Greatest Jewish Movies’ Espngeek (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Jewish movies are not a recognised genre (although Israel exists, none of them seem Israeli produced). In any case, it is not clear how the list was formulated i.e. is it a proper polled survey or a magazine editorial? Betty Logan (talk) 12:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Logan and The Batman
@TheTechLich: Have either of Logan or The Batman topped any notable polls declaring them the best superhero film? That's the threshold for inclusion here, see the "Basic guidelines for inclusion" above. Whether the films are regarded as among the so-called "greats"
is beside the point. TompaDompa (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Several cited sources include polls from audiences. Special:Contributions/TheTechLich (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not all audience polls count towards inclusion on this list of course, but how about you, for starters, remove all the sources that are not polls in which these films have been voted the best and write up descriptions for the entries similar to all the other entries on the list? TompaDompa (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have reverted the addition. I glanced through the sources and could not locate any polls. Happy to reconsider, but I suggest TheTechLich keeps the sourcing explicitly to that which meets the criteria. We have discussed the likes of Rotten Tomatoes before, and the consensus is that it does not constitute a "best film" poll because nobody has actually votes for the "greatest" film. Betty Logan (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- In that case should we not remove this article or repurpose it with something to the effect of "films notable for positive reception"?
- seems redundant otherwise. Logan will be included, Batman (2022) will not for now TheTechLich (talk) 10:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The sources you have brought forward for Logan do not meet the criteria. All you need is one reliable sourced poll that has explicitly voted Logan the greatest film. Not one collated from aggregator scores, or in-house periodicals, but an authentic survey of opinion where people have voted Logan the "greatest" superhero film. That is the bar that all of the other entries have met, so exceptions are not going to be made for individual films. If you want to make a case for changing the criteria then by all means do so. If you want to propose a different name for the article then by all means do so. But please stop adding the film sourced to sources that do not fit the inclusion criteria. Betty Logan (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have reverted the addition. I glanced through the sources and could not locate any polls. Happy to reconsider, but I suggest TheTechLich keeps the sourcing explicitly to that which meets the criteria. We have discussed the likes of Rotten Tomatoes before, and the consensus is that it does not constitute a "best film" poll because nobody has actually votes for the "greatest" film. Betty Logan (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not all audience polls count towards inclusion on this list of course, but how about you, for starters, remove all the sources that are not polls in which these films have been voted the best and write up descriptions for the entries similar to all the other entries on the list? TompaDompa (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 13 June 2024
The request to rename this article to List of films voted the best has been carried out.
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List of films considered the best → List of films voted the best – The current title has long been recognized as being far from ideal. The inclusion criteria are, and have for a long time been, that the movie in question must have been voted the best in a notable poll. Indeed, the WP:LEAD states that This is a list of films considered the best in national and international surveys of critics and the public.
The proposed new title better reflects the actual contents of the list, and may also be helpful in preventing the addition of entries that do not meet the inclusion criteria. TompaDompa (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Not against that title, but grammatically it still feels like we can do better. Browsing the list article, I noticed the language often flips between voted and ranked. So perhaps other candidates also include:
- Although not for this specific list, a sub-list that only lists films that are ranked by film critics could be called List of critically-acclaimed films, in case someone sees the value in splitting that out. Just a thought! --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I agree that the methodology needs to be incorporated into the title in some way. There might be better, more nuanced, titles which we can come up with, but the only question we need to address as far as this rename goes is whether or not the proposed title is better than the current one.
- Support. I'm not really crazy about these types of articles in general, but this would be a more accurate title for something that's just going after "well it's been in a lot of lists". Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. If we have to have this article (and arguably we should), its name should at least give as little weight to its content as possible. Tduk (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)