User talk:Veinor

Please add any new sections to the bottom of the page, sign them at the end by typing ~~~~, and insert an appropriate header; see examples below for how to do that. If you don't do so, then your comment runs the risk of being ignored. I will reply to them here. Also, I just archived my talk page; if you're replying to a discussion you don't see here, then it's at User talk:Veinor/Archive 7. Don't edit that page, just make a new subject here and give me enough context to know what you're talking about.

HELP???

HI. I just want to make a page so that people knows about a company called "diyi technology." Just like a the Microsoft and other major company infomation on wikipedia. Can you please tell me what i am doing wrong so I can edit out the things that's not allowed on wiki. Thank you

Diyitechnology 16:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Steven Sun

Creating articles that read like advertisements is not allowed. Sentences such as "We transform your virtual world to reality" read like a brochure, not an encyclopedia article. Furthermore, creating a page about your company is a blatant conflict of interest and is usually frowned upon. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 16:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

IS there a way to put our name (Diyi technology) on Wikipedia without violating any rules??

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diyitechnology"

No; I honestly don't think so. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Question

Good Afternoon, I added an entry about Warranty Direct yesterday (5/21/07) and it was removed. The entry was created by following the format of other entries such as General Motors and Circuit City. I did not use any links, websites or phone numbers so it would not be construed as a form as advertising. Could you provide insight as to how it should be submitted. Regards, Chris

I would recommend that you not create the article. Your username (which you need to change before somebody blocks you for violating the username policy) makes it obvious you have a conflict of interest with Warranty Direct. Furthermore, the article was indeed advertising; sentences such as "You will find their auto warranties to offer the most comprehensive coverage available with one of the shortest list of exclusions in the industry" are inappropriate. Also, several passages or sentences seemed to be copied straight out of this site, this one, and other pages on the warrantydirect.com domain. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted content unless the author is willing to release it under the GFDL, which allows (among other things) arbitrary redistribution and commercial use without royalties. Also please sign your messages with ~~~~! Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Terrier Edit

Hi you removed my external link to a new site with daily Scottish Terrier news. You said it was unencyclopedic and referred me to a reference page on external links, but the reference page does not use the word "unencyclopedic."

At this point, I am interested in two things:

1. Restoring the link, which I believe meets the criteria for an external link and

2. Interviewing you for an article I am writing on crowdsourcing. You seem to have an interesting profile and I am intrigued by the role you play here at Wikipedia. Boisblaireau 20:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't reply on my talk page; I had to protect it from editing for a while. At this point, I would like to point you to the section of the external link guidelines entitled "Links normally to be avoided", specifically item 11: "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority.". I don't think that the blog was written by a recognized authority.

Regarding the interview: That would depend on how much information I have to give out. If it's Wikipedia-related stuff like how long I've been editing, what motivated me to become an admin, that's OK. Name, phone number, definitely not. I like my privacy. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Grind Productions images

I was hoping you'd stop by and delete these images which appear to be parts of the vandal page in question Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 May 23#Image:18!!!.JPG Anynobody 09:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

What is a link count?

∆ Algonquin 17:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

A count of how often that link was added on a particular day. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 18:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Jadtar

[comment moved from userpage]: lately i found our references have been removed though we were the intiated and contribute original content to wiki.dont remove reference url as that may proivde information and yet we contibute someting original to wiki.pl. refere details before removing reference.and make sure you first remove all irrelevent url insted of removing actual contributor's. (User:Jadtar)

You weren't adding any information, just spam. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

link count

Hi. Just what is your link count thing? Does it indicate who added what external links to any part of wikipedia on any particular day? I was searching for myself on wikipedia, when I discovered it. It says I added a link (along with an ip?!) to some article, if that's really what it means. However, I extremely doubt that the ip has anything to do with me, and I also doubt that I added it in the first place. Therefore, I am confused. I don't think I added the links that it says I added, in fact I've never even heard of them. What's going here? Thanks. -- AstroHurricane001^(T+C+U) 22:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Well, after checking who the ip was, I guess I might have added it, and the ip is not me (phew). Thanks. -- AstroHurricane001^(T+C+U) 22:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the IP isn't the IP of the person who added it (a checkuser bot? they'd be in fits!), but just an IP editor. And it's certainly possible that you didn't add it; the bot can get kinda confused sometimes. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't think I get the first sentence. Anyway, could it say I added it if, for example, I removed it, or fixed its spelling, or reverted to a version containing the link, or edited an area of the section close to the link, etc? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by a checkuser bot, and how do computer programs such as bots ever malfunction? Microshortcircuits, maybe? If possible, could you clarify the first sentence? Wait, I think I might get the first sentence now. Thanks. -- AstroHurricane001^(T+C+U) 19:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the original bot runs into a glitch. And correcting the link or reverting to a previous version would indeed trigger it. A checkuser bot is one that looks at the IPs that have used a given username without human intervention; given the controversy over bots that can take administrative actions, I think that a bot that can perform checkuser actions (very few actual people can do that) would generate huge amounts of controversy. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 22:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Piper Perabo external Link

Hi. You removed my external link to a Piper Perabo Fanpage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Perabo). You said that it´s used for advertising or promotion. We do not have any advertisement on that page, so we have no financial benefit by adding our link. We just want to afford a page for fans who want to know more about Piper Perabo. Can you please tell me what we did wrong? Thank you, Daniela—The preceding unsigned comment was added by PiperperaboTV (talk • contribs) 09:53, May 27, 2007 (UTC). The problem is that you're linking to your own site, which violates our guidelines on conflicts of interest; I'd suggest getting another editor to review the link and see if its appropriate by bringing it up on Talk:Piper Perabo. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 14:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Is VeinorBot broken?

The last day without a red link is User:Veinor/Link count/May 24, 2007, however it has no content.

The last page with any content is User:Veinor/Link count/May 16, 2007.

I really appreciate these pages -- if there's any way to get them restarted, I encourage you to do it. --A. B. ^(talk) 03:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The core linkwatcher bot is broken; nothing I can do about it. There's another one, but my bot isn't programmed to parse its logs, so I'd have to MacGyver something up; I'll do that sometime soon. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 04:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I certainly appreciate what VeinorBot's done in the past and I'm still going through its old reports. Thanks for all your work on this. --A. B. ^(talk) 06:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem; Eagle told me recently he thinks he's found the problem. I'm not making any promises, of course, but I'm expecting something within the week. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 06:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sigma Investing

Hi, can you tell me which links that you removed? I believe that many of them provide valuable supplemental information to the respective articles. Peters33 18:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that you're adding links repeatedly to the same site without first getting consensus; this is generally a red flag. I'd suggest doing these on a case-by-case basis, bringing the link up on the talk page of each article and seeing how the consensus goes. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 18:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Armas Ugartechea

Just new to this Wiki thing, and I don't know why my page was deleted... I saw the Holland & Holland page, and thought that after doing some research, I should make one for another shotgun manufacturer Armas Ugartechea... HELP????

The problem is that you need to establish notability using reliable sources; also , the article read a lot like an advertisement. Are you related to the manufacturer? Because if you Are, I would have to ask that you not create that page due to your conflict of interest. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 19:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No Veinor, I am not related to the manufacturer. I chose the username Ugartechea because this is my first entry on Wikipedia, and it was honestly the first thing that came to mind. I have done a bit of research for my own purposes (interest in shotguns, eventually buying one), and I came across the Holland & Holland Wiki entry and thought that I could probably do some future researchers a favor by writing a similar one for Ugartechea. I will admit, I got quite a bit of my information from industry-related magazines, but they were viable articles by respected writers, not advertisements. Also, I linked to the website for the one importer at the bottom of the page because of the Holland & Holland page. Although it is related to a commercial gun business, it echos a lot of the info I got from the other sources, and has good images of the guns. There is another website that is strictly commercial, and I decided not to use it http://www.doubleshotguns.com/ugartechea.htm

I appreciate your help, and I would like to get this article up and running, is there no way to reinstate it so it could be open for editing??? If it is possible I would also like to find out how to get permission from the importers to use one of their images, because I haven't found any that as are good anywhere...

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Article deletion marked as spam?

Hi Veinor,

I recently had an article deleted. I'm a total wiki newb and I am trying to figure out what I did wrong. I copied text from the AACRAO.org site's about section (I received copyright approval for this from AACRAO and placed it in the Talk page for the AACRAO article). An AACRAO rep email the permission email address at Wikipedia.

I noticed that you marked the article as blatant advertising.

I'm trying to add the AACRAO info so that it is similar to the Wikipedia entry for NASPA Both NASPA and AACRAO are higher education associations that I belong to and AACRAO is mentioned in several wikipedia articles. If I have permission from AACRAO to use their "about" text, how can I created an article for AACRAO without it being deleted? The text just says what AACRAO is and what they do. It's just like the NASPA text. I don' see how it is advertising vs. informative. Afterall, AACRAO is listed on several Wikipedia articles.

What am I doing wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

eric stoller 19:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it's basically blatant advertising for AACRAO; it doesn't provide any actual information ebsides their size and their mission statement (which probably should use a more neutral phrasing). I'd suggest starting fresh and not using their site at all; go with what you can find about them from other, reliable sources. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 21:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I guess modeling the AACRAO article from NASPA was not a good thing. I'll do some more searching for reliable sources. I appreciate your feedback. Eric Stoller 21:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I see that NASPA just bit the dust. Remind me to hide when my fellow student affairs practitioners come hunting for me ;)Eric Stoller 00:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Robert E. Lee page

Hi, Veinor I disagree with the article Robert E. Lee page name. It should be Robert Edward Lee. But since Robert Edward Lee redirects to Robert E. Lee, I can't move it. Can you move it? By the way, the reason it should be moved is because the article should have the full name.
Louis Alberto Guel 22:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to do this; per the manual of style, the article should be given the name the person is usually referred to as, which seems to be Robert E. Lee in this case. See, for example, John F. Kennedy. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 23:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point,
Louis Alberto Guel 01:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Finger Lickin Records page protected

I must apgologise for my additions to the following page (Finger Lickin' Records) yesterday (29/05/07). Having never used or updated a Wikipedia article before I was not aware of your stringent rules regarding the nature of the material posted and in particular your rules concerning material that blatently promotes a company/ person. Having copied the material from the latest press release I can see how this may have breached your restrictions. I now notice that the my addition was deleted a few times without me realising.

I now have a revised post to add that adheres to your policies. Can I submit this to you for approval? Is is possible to retrn the page to its orogianl form (before I edited it). Please advise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fingerlickin (talk • contribs).

Please see Talk:Finger Lickin' Records. Regards ^Khukri 11:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Monster Hunter Theron

The Mnster Hunter Theron page is up for deletion, what can be done to ensure that it is not deleted. A web page for the movies is being made, and will be up in two to three weeks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moon Hunter (talk • contribs).

You need multiple reliable sources that are independent of the series, so something that isn't by the director, any of the actors, or their families, etc. It also needs to be peer-reviewed, so comments on Youtube or whatever don't count. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 13:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

What's more reliable than something posted and edited by the director?

Third-party, independent, fact-checked sources. Look at it this way. Do politicians always tell the truth about themselves? No. So we don't use them as sources about themselves, except when we're quoting them. The media (theoretically) uncovers the truth, so we use them. Or you can think of it like this: it'd be in the director's best interest to make the series look good, so he'd be biased, and we can't use biased sources. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 13:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand what your saying, but I'm not talkng up the series, I'm telling about it. I'm not going to talk it up beacuse I want people to form their own thoughts.

Yeah, but everything on Wikipedia needs to be sourced in order to maintain verifiability. And you can't get unbiased information from biased sources. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I get that, but have you read the page, I don't believe I have put a single bias thing in there, if i did, I'll delete it. As for citing, could I cite the episodes, youtube, google, or the web page(when the page is posted)?

Yes, and you also haven't put a signle sourced thing in there. There needs to be enough information to write about the series, not just give the plot. You could cite the episodes for the plot, but not for anything else (except for maybe credits). You couldn't cite youtube, since comments aren't fact-checked, or Google (you'd need to cite the page it links to). The web page could be cited for basic information, but not for anything substantial, and independent sources are preferred anyway. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 14:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I can do that, cite the episode's with links to them, what if the links are on outube, that won't be a problem, and should I cite the page when it comes out?

That still wouldn't establish notability. You need to write about the article from an external point of view; i.e., not the plot summary. You cannot use the episodes for this; they need to be fact-checked by independent people who know how to do that sort of thing, like the Chicago Tribune or the New York Times or something. I'm not saying that only American newspapers count, I'm just giving you an idea of the kind of sources I'm talking about. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 14:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been deleted, oh well, I'll see what I can do, maybe make te article some other time... or just the web page, I don't know, well see.

Spam web sites

Hi - I watch a lot of beer articles and noticed your edits and comments on Jtenger (he added links to a site called The Biggest Round). Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with your editing, I am curious to know what criteria you use for determing a spam site. The Biggest Round is clearly owned and opererated by S&N, the brand owner of the articles that Jtenger has sought to link from. It also has pertinent info on these brands, and is not fundamentaly different to other official brand web sites. No axe to grind, just playing devil's advocate. Best wishes and keep up the good work. Warburton62 17:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Rapid link addition; I don't think every company needs a link to their parent company's page. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 22:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Assist with spammer

you once gave warning to User 66.12.73.18. This person has continued to spam a page I'm affiliated with. Can you assist me with preventing this? Galactic Dominator 16:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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Article: Concur

Hi Veinor

Regarding:

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User talk:Concur From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

The article Concur has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Veinor (talk to me) 21:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

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I was trying to write a page that was factual and informative as a company listed on the Nasdaq. There were only one link to the home page, and another link for investors. Other information included acquisitions, employees, stock symbol, what the company does. I agree it could be construed a little advertorial with some of the copy. If the intro body copy and the description of the productst this company offers were removed, would it then pass the muster? Please advise.

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KNEIP

Hello

Can you please tell me why the KNEIP page was not appropriate ? (it is true that it was an experiment but I actually would like to create an article about it and I would like to know why you did not think the first one was appropriate) Tnak you ! Barbarakneip 15:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)BarbarakneipBarbarakneip 15:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

thank you

...for your response to my question about a possible design or implementation bug. Can't say I suppose that the current approach is the best possible, but I edit so little that it is not worth attempting to improve upon it now.

Still wondering, is there is some place to which the vandalism should be reported, so that the vandal gets whatever it is that Wikipedia thinks they deserve...

Publius3 07:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Warn them about it and then if they keep it up, report them to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 07:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahem...

Could you restore The Way(game series) please? The Way is the singlemost greatest game ever made using RPG Maker. We had a reliable source and I'm sure we could have found more if it weren't for a select group of RPG Maker hating faggots who were immune to the voice of logic and reason. They are not correct. We had a reliable source. 80.44.141.44 20:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I will not undo my closure. You may have had one source, but we need multiple reliable sources, which you had five days to find. If you disagree, take the discussion to deletion review. Furthermore, I suggest you read Wikipedia's policy against personal attacks. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a personal attack silly. Man you guys need to chill out. I shall try to find sources though. So how many reliable sources are we talking about? Do I just need to find one more, or do I need to find more than that? Thank you ^_^. ABlackGentleman 12:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

'RPG Maker hating faggots' is definitely a personal attack. As for how many, that depends on how comprehensive you want the article to be. I'd go for as many as you can find, making sure that they contain more information than just a passing one-sentence mention. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 14:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Mizuki Ichirou

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Links to VRMars-Spirit - The Red Planet Mars 3D Software

Hello,

Would you mind checking if my link to "VRMars-Spirit - The Red Planet Mars 3D" Software is appropriate in the Mars Exploration Rover article ? If not, could you tell me what to do to give some kind of information on the software in this article ? I see that the film "Roving Mars" is also in External links section and that is why I am asking you to help me in this matter. Would it be OK if I insert the same link in the Spirit rover article ?

Muniek 16:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd say no in this case; I don't think that information about the software is necessary in an article that is about exploration of mars in general and not even specifically any one expedition. The external link guidelines generally say that links to commercial sites should be avoided; I'm really not sure about 'Roving Mars' either, and I wouldn't miss it at all if it were removed. Same for the Spirit rover article; I just don't think the link is appropriate. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Getting a website back

Hey there,

I would like to have a website "Adept Technology, Inc." reinstated, that you removed "14:21, 3 May 2007 Veinor deleted "Adept Technology" (CSD G11: Blatant Advertising)". However, this time according to WP:COI guidelines.

Your assistance in this manner would be greatly appreciated. As a disclosure, I am an employee of Adept and made the most recent changes to the site. But being a newbee then, I did not know the guidelines and consequently made additions to the article in violation of the COI. Sorry, and thanks you for correcting it.

I have create a temporary page on my sandbox where I will continue to work on the new page. I am using ABB, Fanuc, Denso, Epson Robots, KUKA wikis as templates of what seems legit.

Please advise on what would be the proper procedure to reinstate this page with the appropriate content. Thanks. Matthias-k 00:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Valimo Wireless

hi, I would like to say that the article was not blatant advertising because the company is the first one in the world to deploy mobile signatures solutions, the products are the core of the solution and i have to explain to the reader what the product does. Maybe it sounds like advertising because the productname starts with the name Valimo but thats the name of the product.

please reconsider the article i will try and rewrite it to your expectations