Talk:Drag queen

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• Moved debate about the term "queer" to /Queer Debate 2003
• 4 October 2005

Link removal

Re: Wikipedia:External links.

Aaron, can you explain what part of the Wikipedia external link policy you were thinking of when you removed all those external links? --Icarus 07:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for opening discussion!
These all fall under Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_not_be_linked_to point two:

• Screaming Queens Entertainment
• RuPaul
• House of Diabolique
• Trashique!
• Alex Serpa
• Queens for a Night: A documentary

And this one didn't meet Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_be_linked_to:

• Imperial Court System

brenneman^(t)(c) 07:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, not sure what you're referring to as you link to a very long article about linking but the Imperial Court system is one the oldest and well-respected drag traditions in the world. Even if the website is a bit underwhelming. Benjiboi 04:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Drag fashions

Hi, im doing a dissertation for uni. The title is "An investigation into the glamour of cross dressing and the drag influence on the future of fashion". If anyone has any comments on how they think drag styles have influenced mainsteam fashions or where they see drag fashions going in the future, etc, id be grateful of them. Thanks

What about the New Romantic movement from the 80's and Boy George who utlizied a pretty camp drag look?--Joyfulpotato 20:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

seems a bit partison

best word i could use, but anyway, the part about most performers being "Gay Men" doesn't seem right. that's like saying that most criminals are black. It may appear that way, but it isn't nessasarly true.

Are you comparing being a criminal to performing in drag?

Black people are often portrayed as criminals and criminals are often portrayed as mostly black because we live in a racist anti-black society. Are you saying that gay people are stereotyped as drag performers or that drag performers are stereotyped as gay? Hyacinth 10:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

And given that the majority of drag queens *are* gay men or transgender women, is it really partisanship, or discrimination? Marumari 22:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad Pictures

couldn't we get better pictures on this page? where's dame edna, where's divine? what are all these crappy second-rate drag queens doing here? --Joyfulpotato 19:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

And "An example of poorly planned drag"? ... seriously? Ugh.

This site seems to be very Americanised. I have no problem with a good deep look at the usa drag world, but there are other centres of drag...like the UK (thats me), and removing chunks of info about the Uk and some of its most famous characters and its own take on drag, does not do this page any good. In the UK and elsewhere there are many other aspects of the dragqueen/tranny scene that many do not realise exist, there many crossovers and blurring of the edges. I worked with an artist who produced a book called 'Crossing the line', and the range of dressing up was vast i.e. Some drag queens are also transvestites, some are not, and some trannies aspire to be drag queens. I put in the link to the obituary of Burnel the transformer who won the Alternative miss world a no. of times and stood as an MP in a by-election. I hope it stays on the site to represent some from the UK.

I agree - In fact I recently saw a very interesting film on Indian drag queens recently - a film called 'The Pink Mirror'. I realized Drag concepts in India are so different - very Bollywoodish. But it was sure camp and funny and quite kitsch with sond and dance! Truly Indian! The site should find more representations like these unique drag queens too.-- NB, February 17, 2007

Straight vs gay?

This article says often, though not exclusively, gay men, whilst Transvestism#Drag_Queens (which should probably be merged to here) says They are often straight, and lead mostly heterosexual lives with their true female partners. - so which is it? (And I realise that both could be true if there's plenty of both gay and straight drag queens, but we should probably say that rather than implying one or the other, and it would be good to be consistent). Mdwh 01:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• It appears that someone has taken it upon themselves to convert the transvestism article into something akin to a POV fork of the transgender and/or cross-dressing articles. As such, I'd seriously consider reverting that article to the last version before 18th December. That article was an historical article on the term and not an article on the practice, particularly as the term is now widely considered insulting. --AliceJMarkham 07:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• After further consideration, I'm going to suggest that the section from there not be merged here at all. There is only a summary there. I intend to add {{main}} tags to the various sections and fine tune it a bit. The result should make that article a proper WP:MOS compliant summary style article that points to drag queen, cross-dressing, etc. --AliceJMarkham 07:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merger with drag queen discussion

oppose -these are different phenomena. Transvestism is more broad and it includes heterosexual dress-up. Drag queen is more specific and it refers more to gay men that don the feminine apparel as performance. Arbol25 22:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment If you mean the merge box which is on transvestism, then it's not suggesting merging these articles (which would be a bad thing, for the reasons you give), it's suggesting that only the "Drag queen" section be moved to here. Indeed, the fact that drag queen and transvestism are different subjects is all the more reason that information on drag queens should be in this article, and not the transvestism article in my opinion. Mdwh 04:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

But I got steered to this page by the merge box discussion box on the transvestism page. Arbol25 19:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Etymology

Right now the article says: "Queen refers to the trait of affected royalty found in many drag characters." That's gotta be wrong. I think it's much more likely that "drag queen" descends from the word "quean" meaning an ugly girl. (So it should really be "drag quean".) I imagine the confusion comes from the fact that gay culture was primarily an oral culture, and wasn't recorded in writing until "quean" had already disappeared from common English usage.

The Straight Dope has an article on the word "faggot" which mentions that many insults which are now used to refer to male homosexual men were once insults that refered to girls or women. It doesn't specifically mention "quean", but I would think it pretty obvious. We don't see the word "quean" much anymore, but it was once common. You can see it used in Shakespere.

--Scientivore 02:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

HELP! They are minimizing the importance of LGBT articles

I have had several problems with editors who have disputed the importance of my documentation of LBGT culture such as drag shows and Look alike contests. My articles have been called "worthless", "silly" and "unimportant" and have been rudely censored. PLEASE! Do not allow what is important to us be destroyed by the breeders. Contact me so I can have a "queer army" to help in discussions to prevent deletion. We save Herstory so we can save Look alike contest Cr8tiv 18:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)