User talk:ExtraDry

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Robin Sage

When you commence a new article, you should be prepared to write more than one sentence. If you cannot expand the article right away, let it be deleted and start again when you have more time. WWGB 07:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

That is true but its nice to be able to take a break from being on the computer and do other stuff during the day. You could of dropped a note on my talkpage first. ExtraDry 07:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

An easy way to do this is to create the article slowly in your userspace, then when it's finished you can move it to mainspace. A discussion of how and when you can use your userspace for this is here. Cheers! --Charlene 15:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Nicholas Saunders

Why did you request the deletion of the article on the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Newcastle, Australia? Castlemate 09:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Because Nicholas Saunders (Vice-Chancellor) seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. ExtraDry 10:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It asserted that he is the Vice-Chancellor of an Australian university and has previously been dean of two Australian medical schools. What part of his notability do you not understand? Castlemate 10:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read The notability guidelines ExtraDry 10:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself or ask the article's creator for advice on where to look for sources. Please explain why you question the notability of the subject.Castlemate 10:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. ExtraDry 10:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Explain how the article did not assert the subject's importance or significance and stop being clever - be helpful so I can assume good faith.Castlemate 10:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Once again i point you to the The notability guidelines. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." ExtraDry 10:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

How Many sources would you like? [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Will that help prove his notability to you?Castlemate 10:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read The notability guidelines, It explains it all there. ExtraDry 10:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No, tell me why this subject is not suitable and stop playing games.Castlemate 10:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I have explained it to you before and due to your rude comments i will not be answering any more of your questions. ExtraDry 10:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

He has been dean of two Australian medical schools and is vice-chancellor of a major Australian university. That alone is enough for notability so far as I am concerned. I think a deletion review is in order here since the process of contact the person who put the original speedy deletion notice up and discussing things with them has clearly run into a brick wall. David Newton 11:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

When Castlemate was being rude i refused to help him anymore. ExtraDry 11:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that Castlemate was to a certain extent harrying ExtraDry here. ExtraDry may have made a mistake in nominating the article but it does not appear to have been done with any malicious intent. Castlemate would have been better off asking the delting admin to restore the article or go to deletion review. Links to both were provided to him. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Gavin Brown

The speedy in this case of GB is so out-of-line that it could reasonable cause some puzzlement. A POV about the notability of Vice Chancellors does not seem to have any apparent sense, especially when you have now placed the tag on one who is even more notable than the very important first one. As I am interested in these types of articles I should not be the one to block you, but I think that a block for disruptive editing is very much in order.DGG 00:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, the placement of {{db-bio}} on that article is quite ridiculous, as the criteria is "does not assert notability" when that quite clearly does. I suggest you stop now as further nominations like that will probobly lead to a block. Viridae^Talk 01:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Cena-Unleashed

Cena-Unleashed is a fansite, can't use it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. ExtraDry 08:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Castlemate

Your interactions seem more like a content dispute, and a casual survey of his/her contribs showed no personal attacks. I would suggest dispute resolution. Natalie 09:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

ANI

If you're not already aware, you and your activities are a topic of discussion at WP:ANI. --ElKevbo 02:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

and I did not bring it there until the Speedy on Gavin Brown - I was not commenting on NS, which seemed odd but not itself disruptive--not even when followed by AfD on Glynn Davis, but the speedy on Gavin Brown was disruptive, especially as latest in the series. I have never commented on ANI based on AfDs alone. Misuse of speedy is disruptive. (Please note that I have supported you on some AfDs) And I never even asked for a block.; I brought it to ANI to see what other admins would say, & I just recommended there no immediate action. DGG 17:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a note...

AfDs should be notified for Australian sorting at WP:DSA, not at WP:AWNB. Thanks :) Orderinchaos 09:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You have to click the little "edit" next to "Candidates for Deletion" and add it there to get it onto there (I'd actually forgotten about the second reference) Orderinchaos 10:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free image (Image:Jessicamichalik.jpg)

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Chris Benoit

WWE isn't an investigator, they cannot confirm any murder-suicide yet. Only investgators can, and they haven't even performed an autopsy yet. I suggest before you revert war half-turth that you not get some better sources to confirm anything. — Moe ε 04:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you please expain to me how http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Benoit&diff=141795641&oldid=141785857 was vandalism. JJGD 14:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Also justifying your edit with "(Undid revision 141800777 by Rklawton (talk) See WP:TALK)" is stupid WP:TALK is meant as an editing guideline, my edits improved the talk pages quality so there is no reason for you to have reverted them JJGD 16:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing my comments

Cease editing my comments. It's a clear violation of the Talk page guidelines ("Never edit someone's words to change their meaning. Editing others' comments is not allowed."), rude, and intellectually dishonest to try to hide your own significant past involvement with the Newington College article. --ElKevbo 01:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Just echoing this sentiment here. Even if you disagree with ElKevbo's assertion that you and DXRAW are the same person, editing their comments for that reason alone is not acceptable, though responding, saying you disagree is. Feel free to do that, rather than continually editing ElKevbo's comments. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Please consider this a friendly warning regarding your ongoing edit war at Newington College and the Three revert rule. I know that you know about the 3RR. It applies even when dealing with those you consider to be sockpuppets or vandals when the real issue is a content dispute (even if the sockpuppet accusation proves to be true; that's not excuse to edit war and your filing of an RFCU is the proper way to confront such a situation). --ElKevbo 01:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete tags

Please be a little more careful with speedy deletion tags. If an article *asserts* a person's notability, such as Christopher Lee (writer) or your articles about judges, it should not be tagged for speedy deletion. If you feel that an article that asserts the subject's notability still fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines, you can list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks, NawlinWiki 14:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

Listen, I'm going to give you a courteous heads up now to hopefully save you from any further trouble. Your campaign of deletions is starting to draw attention from respected editors within the Australian Wikipedia community, particularly your attempts to delete (or speedy delete) articles on subjects who are obviously notable, and have survived at AfD. Your latest one on John Wear Burton has been closed as a snowball Speedy Keep, particularly after the article has been increased four times it's original size and does a great job at clearly demonstrating the subjects notability.

Instead of speedy deleting or AfD'ing articles out of hand, I would strongly and politely suggest you look at using cleanup tags to identify articles that need some work where you identify that you may not necessarily be the best person to work on them due to not having topic expeirence or for whatever reason. Add the articles to your watchlist, and if you find they've not been improved, and you find they are unable to improve, then nominate them for deletion.

If you need a hand in this area or have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Thewinchester ^(talk) 04:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Recently a large number of articles on Old Newingtonians have been at risk of deletion from Wikipedia or have had their links as Old Newingtonians removed because of your actions. They include:

• HRH Prince Tu'ipelehake Fatafehi - Former Prime Minister of Tonga, brother of a King of Tonga and son of a Queen of Tonga
• Frank Howarth - Geologist, Director Australian Museum and former Director Royal Botanic Gardens, Sydney
• Hon Leycester Meares AC CMG QC - Former NSW Supreme Court Judge, Chairman NSW Law Reform Commission, Benefactor and Chairman of Kidsafe
• Prof Nicholas Saunders - Vice Chancellor University of Newcastle and former Dean of Medicine Monash University and Flinders University
• Jonathan Bonnitcha - Sportsman and 2006 Rhodes Scholar
• Judge Herbert Curlewis - Former NSW District Court Judge and husband of Ethel Turner (Author of Seven Little Australian
• Hon Justice Roger Gyles AO - Federal Court Judge, Royal Commissioner Building Industry in New South Wales and former President NSW Bar Association and Australian Bar Association
• Clive Ramaciotti - Philanthropist whose foundation has donated $50 million to biomedical research
• Simon Fieldhouse - Artist and book illustrator
• Frank Hinder AM - Artist renowned as a major force in Australian modernism
• Alex Popov - RAIA Wilkinson Award and Robin Boyd Award winning Architect
• Graham Davis - Walkley and Logie Award winning Investigative Journalist for BBC, ABC and Nine Network's Sunday
• Christopher Lee - AFI Award and AWGIE Award winning Screenwriter of Secret Life of Us
• Dr John Burton AM - Former Head Department of External Affairs, High Commissioner and Founder Centre for the Analysis of Conflict.

Could you please explain how these lack notability? Please do not remove this entry from your talk page using the excuse that it was posted by a sockpuppet because the checkuser campaign you launched (against anyone who has edited the Newington page in the last month) has not been supported by the appropriate administrators. Tallum 05:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Material removed from talk page

The following comment was removed by you on the pretext that I was a sockpuppet. As you have failed in your campaign to have me classified as a sockpuppet I have re-instated the comment and I look forward to your response.

• Please explain your most recent revert in a coherent fashion or don't revert it again. The edit summary for it's removal is at best confused; "the sentence was copied direct from the cited source, Makes opening parragraph too long and are not direct quotes." Either it was "copied direct" or they "are not direct quotes." You can't have it both ways.

Thank you in anticipation of your prompt and helpful reply. Tallum 06:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)