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Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon[edit]

Can you guys help with Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon? Putting their names into gets a lot of results but i can't exrtract the reliable info from the weak and a lot of the newspapers from the time of the actual crime are not digitised. Paul Austin (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Googling 'Joanne Ratcliffe' near 'Kirste Gordon' gives a proximity word search that might return better results. The case is linked in Beaumont children disappearance, and there's a reference in there to a scanned Age article from the period. Stephen 00:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Australia listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kingdom of Australia. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. -- Tavix (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


Bandaiyan has been nominated for deletion. It is a redirect that currently targets "Australia" -- (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Anyone interested in a WikiProject Australia A-Class Review?[edit]

Whenever I come by this page, there's always seems to be at least a couple of featured article or list candidates in the Announcements sections at the top of the page (or at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Announcements). Thanks to Grahamec keeping it updated, its easy enough to find out that, apart from myself, some of the recent (2014+) FA nominators of Australia-related articles are Casliber, Melburnian, Hawkeye7, Freikorp, Ian Rose, Nick-D, Ohconfucius, Hamiltonstone, 99of9, Hurricanehink, Jason Rees, WonderBoy1998. Would any of you, or any other editors, be interested in participating in an A-Class Review (ACR) process for WikiProject Australia?

For those of you who aren't aware, A-class is an optional quality rating between GA and FA, assigned after review by multiple editors against the A-class criteria (which are pretty much the same as the FA criteria). ACR processes already exist for WikiProject Highways, WikiProject Military history, and WikiProject Tropical cyclones. A-class reviews help to prepare articles for FAC, and in the experience of the WP:HWY projects, makes it more likely an article will pass FAC (see WP:HWY/ACR#Statistics). Ian Rose recently commented at a village pump thread that: "wearing my other hat as as a FAC coordinator, I wish ACR was more prevalent in WP, not less."[1].

So what do editors here think? Anyone else interested in a WP:AUS ACR? (Like most things on Wikipedia, this would be optional - MilHist articles would probably still just go through that project's ACR, but even so there would probably still be a fair number of articles that could come through an Australian ACR) - Evad37 [talk] 07:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd be interested. I don't see a lot of GA/FA articles come through in the areas I specialise in but I'm always happy to review if they do. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd also be interested. The ACR process has worked really well for the military history project, and should also work well here. Nick-D (talk) 07:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Good for broader articles, which are by nature trickier to get through FAC. e.g. states, cities etc. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@The Drover's Wife, Nick-D, and Casliber:, and others: I've started a draft ACR page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment/A-Class Review (based on WP:HWY/ACR) – additional edits would be welcome. - Evad37 [talk] 09:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Tks Evad. Per my comment quoted above, my support in principle can be taken as read. I don't have time to read the draft page right now but a couple of general points come to mind (and perhaps these should be moved to the draft's talk page to avoid undue clutter here): 1) would any uninvolved editor be able to close an ACR, or should there be a group of coordinators (as in MilHist and FAC) who have that responsibility; 2) to make the best use of valuable reviewing resources, I'd suggest seeking consensus at this project for a reciprocal A-Class assessment relationship with MilHist and other projects that have mature ACR processes (I don't think that exists as yet, correct me if I'm wrong), IOW if an article like Stanley Bruce had passed a theoretical MilHist ACR before its successful FAC then it would have been accepted as A-Class on WP:Australia as well (WP:Ships and WP:Aviation have similar relationships with MilHist to avoid duplication of effort). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
What is the expected quality difference between an A-class article and an FA-class article? Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC).
The short answer I like to quote is from Grandiose: "ACR is like FAC, but more forgiving"... ;-) For something more official, this project has a section detailing the differences between assessment levels here. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:31, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. In practice, it incorporates all the key elements of FAC, so the difference is mainly about style and MOS. The other difference is that like GA you can nominate as many articles as you like, so it is more available. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd also recommend the Military History project's A-class criteria (available at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class). They were deliberately written to be watered down FA criteria, and have worked really well. Nick-D (talk) 12:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I've done some more editing of the draft ACR page, including adding criteria and FAQ from MilHist.
  • I've also set up the neccessary code for the talk page banner – currently at Template:WikiProject Australia/sandbox, can be copied over to the live template when we're good to go.
  • I wouldn't be opposed to ACR coordinators, but I'm not sure its necessary – having just uninvolved editors close ACRs works fine at HWY/ACR. Most closes, at least over there, are really just "finishing off the paperwork", and not really contentious or ambiguous. Perhaps we could just have a note that difficult closes should be left to experienced editors?
  • Reciprocal A-Class assessment with other projects sounds like a good idea. - Evad37 [talk] 13:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I do have a couple of articles that can be nominated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
      • Evad, re. who can close, that's fine by me, I wouldn't necessarily advocate creating a coord group just for the sake of ACR (at MilHist, closing ACRs is just one their responsibilities). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I got South Australian state election, 2006 to FA status in 2007 but it got delisted earlier this year, as FA standards had changed a lot since 2007, some editors had made some structural changes since then, and overall it wasn't up to where it needed to be. Could this be one for ACR? Timeshift (talk) 21:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Timeshift, just taking a quick look at that article, a solid A-Class Review would require everything to clearly be cited to reliable refs, that is all paragraphs to end in a citation, which isn't the case right now. Also from a structural perspective, the lead might be a bit small for an article of that size (less of an issue though). Upshot is that I'd suggest some more work before considering for A-Class myself. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I think what we've got now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment/A-Class Review is good enough to start off with – this is a wiki, so we can edit and refine further as we go along, if necessary. @Hawkeye7: (and others) you can start nominating now. - Evad37 [talk] 00:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

G'day, sorry I'm late to the discussion. I've been involved in quite a few Milhist ACRs over the past six years and I'd be happy to help out with reviews occasionally here, too. I've watchlisted the review page now. Thanks for setting this up. In regards to a reciprocal Milhist-Aus agreement, I think that would be a good idea, too, so as not to unnecessarily duplicate efforts. I had assumed that this already existed, as I vaguely recall someone mentioning it many years ago (when I just started on Wiki), but I can't see to find the links anymore. Perhaps we could formalise it now? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, I have now seen that this has been included in the ACR page under "Reciprocal assessment". Great! Thanks all, AustralianRupert (talk) 20:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ballarat Grammar School[edit]

needs some sources. I have protected it from edit warring in the meantime. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Police uniforms[edit]

Sam Browne belt includes a rambling paragraph about Australian police uniforms that is hard to read and impossible to interpret unambiguously. See Talk:Sam Browne belt#Australian police. I'm ignorant of the subject, and this seems like a good place to request a cleanup. --Thnidu (talk) 18:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

RFC on Melbourne Image Montage[edit]

The infobox for Melbourne includes a montage of images. There is a dispute over which image to use of the skyline. You are invited to !vote at Talk: Melbourne. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)