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Wikidata:Property proposal/Australian Heritage Database ID[edit]

This proposal may be of interest to the denizens here - Wikidata:Wikidata:Property proposal/Australian Heritage Database ID. Those who know more about Wikidata properties than I may wish to consider a property for Queensland Heritage Register to support the good work of Kerry Raymond (talk · contribs). -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:15, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I had been thinking about this myself for some months, but it hadn't made its way to the top of my to-do list. Thanks for the heads-up. Kerry (talk) 02:16, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
On a related matter, there is a template for citing the Australian Heritage Database at the obscure location of {{cite AHD}}. Rangasyd (talk) 10:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
well, following some discussion at Wikidata, we now have a property for the Queensland heritage register Ids, so if we can get that going, we should learn a lot about doing our other heritage registers. Thanks again for the heads-up, User:Mattinbgn Kerry (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Parliamentarian portraits[edit]

Hi all. I noticed this portrait of parliamentarian Bob Katter is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Australia license. Are all such parliamentarian portraits licensed under CC-BY-SA including those on the aph.gov.au website or only those on the parliament.curriculum.edu.au website? Thank you, New9374 (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

The aph.gov.au website is licenced as CC-BY-NC-ND, hence the portraits there are unsuitable for Wikipedia unless they're also on another separate website with a more acceptable licence. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC).
Thank you Lankiveil. I'll ask the parliament.curriculum.edu.au webmaster if they can upload more portraits under the CC-BY-SA, and the aph.gov.au webmaster if they would instead consider licensing the portraits under the CC-BY-SA. Thank you, New9374 (talk) 00:37, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
The problem I've had with similar requests for the portraits from state parliaments is that they'll probably want the pictures covered under the same personality rights that apply to recordings from the chambers themselves, which stipulate no use for satire or ridicule. Since this is obviously not compatible with the licences we accept here, it's always been a deal breaker when I've tried it. That said, it's been a few years since my last attempt so perhaps the position here will have softened, so good luck! Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:04, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Are mugshots released under the public domain[edit]

Hi all. Are mugshots released under the public domain? For example Pauline Hanson's mugshot here. Thank you, New9374 (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

In Australia, "public domain" = "copyright expired". Therefore, the answer is no. Government policy is that Crown copyright images should be licensed under creative commons but its up to each individual government body to decide if this means available for commercial use. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

when they move[edit]

[1] for Tasmanians who have the issues about mainlanders (and the rest), a possible redirect with no reference to this project or interested parties, has been eliminated. Tasmania-speak (mainlanders, etc) is the poorer for it. From an IP whatsmore. JarrahTree 00:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

An article Mainland Australia to do something similar to Contiguous United States might be a good idea. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC).
well insufficient identification of the phenomenon of Australia's relationship with its oft lost state (even some external eds have considered it another country, whether on maps of oz or not) and the designation of the larger land mass to the north, needs a mention somewhere JarrahTree 11:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I've had a bit of a look this morning, and as I suspected the tricky thing here is getting going to be getting a formal definition of the term. Lots of places use it as if it's usage is perfectly apparent, but it seems that nobody has actually defined it. I'm not sure, for instance, whether you'd include Bribie Island or Kangaroo Island in "Mainland Australia". Thoughts? Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC).
Yeah, I am certain the expression Mainland Australia is a term that is required at some time, whether inside another article about state relations and tensions, or as a separate article, not sure. JarrahTree 12:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the term has ever been defined because everyone "just knows" what it means. And yes Bribie and Kangaroo islands would be included. Just not Tasmania, or those two islands near it, or external terrritories. It'd be a lot easier if we could fill in Bass Strait. --AussieLegend () 13:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
"...everyone 'just knows' what it means" — The problem with "everyone knows" is that often different people "know" different things (and don't necessarily realise that the other person "knows" something different). All Perth people, for example, "know" that Rottnest Island is not part of the mainland. (According to our article, "Rottnest was separated from the mainland around 7,000 years ago".) Mitch Ames (talk) 14:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
With a name that includes "Island" I don't see how anyone could think that Rottnest wasn't an island. It's a bit of a giveaway. I'm not sure of the relevance of when it became an island. Even "Rottenest" (that seems to be the biggest confusion that I see) would be included as part of the mainland, as would Melville Island. --AussieLegend () 15:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
"I'm not sure of the relevance of when it became an island" — It's not "when" that's relevant - it's the fact that the article explicitly says that it is separated from, ie not part of, the mainland. My point is that the definition of "mainland" that everybody "just knows" depends on who "everybody" is, and what the context is. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
of course things change depending on the use, and yes people do use the term differently but hats common in Australian english we also use paddock when talking about the nullabor, yes when your on rottnest it is referred to as the mainland but its not confused with the use from tasmania, then there is remote when referring to places, or ...up on the end place names in the southwest and everyone knows its a noongar(indigenous word) word Gnangarra 08:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
What if we say that Mainland Australia (both words with uppercase first letter) is term which refers to the contiguous Australian states and territories (list them) and explicitly excludes Tasmania and Norfolk Island (and the other offshore territories). And just say nothing at all about islands of the mainland states. Kerry (talk) 10:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
"What if we say that Mainland Australia (both words with uppercase first letter) ..." — We'd need reliable sources that consistently capitalise "Mainland", ie as a proper noun. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Capitalisations is something to worry about once the article is started and sources are decided on, for now Mainland Australia as the page is sufficient Gnangarra 12:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Oxley, Queensland - oh no, not again[edit]

Different IP but the edit relates to the neighbouring suburb of Inala as always. Appears to be testing the waters with a minor edit, presumably to see if we are alert to changes in the article or whether they can get away with more drastic changes (past experience is removal of Inala from the article, removal of information about flooding, and other white-washing/peacocking); I am guessing our serial vandal doesn't know about watchlists. Can others put this on their watchlist as I am not in regular Internet access for a few weeks. Thanks Kerry (talk) 22:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Yep. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
and again its happened I have just given it 1 month protection from IP/non confirmed users for its third time, may want to put it on the pending changes list instead Gnangarra 00:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

A Categories for deletion discussion WikiProject members may be interested in.[edit]

It concerns Category:Mathematicians from Melbourne being merged into Category:People from Melbourne. The discussion can be found here[2]....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:08, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Royal Commission into youth detention in the Northern Territory[edit]

Hi all. Any ideas as to what to name an article. Will clearly meet GNG. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:23, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

See Royal Commission into Juvenile Detention in the Northern Territory and Talk:Royal Commission into Juvenile Detention in the Northern Territory -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:43, 28 July 2016 (UTC)