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NOTE: There used to be an essay on Wikipedia recommending that talk page conversations be kept contiguously on one page ("How to keep a two-way conversation readable"). However, some genius has decided that this deserved deletion. Nevertheless, while I know some people carry on conversations across two User talk pages, I find this ludicrous and unintuitive. Conversations started on my talk page will most likely be continued on my talk page, while those I start on other users' pages will be continued on their pages.

2G Lancer, Marcos comment

Hi. Just wanted to check on something. In a revision of the Lancer page you... compressed, I guess is the word I'm looking for, what seems to be speculation on the part of the original contributor. The original wording was "and that the government was probably getting a kickback from the sale of each car". However, after you were done, this was treated as an established fact ("with the government getting an increased share in any foreign manufacturing venture").

I'll probably be the last person to claim that the Marcos government, or any government for that matter, is beyond reproach. But still... wouldn't this be hard to support with references to actual findings?

Neil 21:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see... the original paragraph read as follows:

"In the Philippines, this generation of Lancer was the only car manufactured and sold officially in the country for most of the 1980s due to restrictive foreign investment laws initiated under the Marcos administration, with the government getting an increased share in any foreign manufacturing venture. Other car manufacturers, like Toyota, Ford and General Motors left the country. A popular nickname for this car in the Philippines is "Lancer Kickback," a pun, due to the fact that such an aged vehicle was being produced in the late-1980s (a throwback to the 1970s), and that the government was probably getting a kickback from the sale of each car, which was priced unusually high. Other manufacturers would return to the country around 1988. Nonetheless, this model was quite popular, especially the GT versions."

The text I've bolded is only the most obviously controversial, and the least likely to ever be supported by external refs. However, don't let the fact that I didn't purge the whole lot put you off doing so yourself; I hate those kind of region-centric edits ("In <one specific country>, blah blah happened.") and would be happy to see it gone. --DeLarge 21:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. I wouldn't mind it so much if I thought it likely that we could find a supporting article. But considering the state of the country at the time... *shrug* --Neil 10:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You uploaded so many non free image

at mitsubishi motors. you must obey Wikipedia:Image use policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Totoz (talk • contribs) 10:44, July 30, 2007.

Reply posted at User talk:Totoz. --DeLarge 09:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try and deal with your issues in order:

your mitubishi motor images are simply not going to survive a challenge to its fair use justification. According to Wikipedia's Non-free content policy, "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." Since the mitsubishi motors image has now been available for about several months, your claim that it is not replaceable is patently false. When one person abuses our fair use policies like this, it makes it more difficult for everyone else, so please do not be disruptive.
The WP Manual of Style is very specific on the issue of forcing thumbnail sizes: "Specifying the size of a thumb image is not recommended". Remember that many users have small screens (WP is designed to be viewed on PDAs, web-enabled phones, etc), and users can also set image sizes in their user preferences. Forcing the size of the thumbnail, especially to something like greater, forces them to view images according to your personal preference. This is why it is recommended not to do so.
Your edits to the various MMC images were, frankly, childish and disruptive to make a point. As with the several mitsubishi images, these were concept vehicles not available to the public. Further, you marked it as replaceable fair use when in fact it was a free image. This is vandalism.
Similarly, your edits to Kia Motors were equally disruptive. In the event that these issues escalate further, your conduct in these matters will count against you, as you will not have demonstrated (a) a willingness to work within WP policies and guidelines, or (b) an ability to work with other editors in a constructive fashion.

Regards, Totoz 09:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note, the above is a copy/paste of my comments on User talk:Totoz.[1] I guess I'll be taking this further... --DeLarge 09:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image source problem with Image:Mitsutech banner.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading Image:Mitsutech banner.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 12:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

Sorted by User:OSX.[2]. --DeLarge 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

your images are non-free and you are socket puppet

i found these non-free image. this image uploaded by user:DeLarge. do you think that these images are free? user:DeLarge is author of these image? these images are clearly authorized and free image? these images are created by user:DeLarge? no.

if this image is free, then why delete 'Image:Kia Ceed gray front.jpg' ? what is different?

i thumbnailed 'Image:Kia Ceed gray front.jpg' 200px.(small) and this image is low resolution image.

i upload only 1 image, but this guy user:DeLarge upload so many non-free image.

anyway, One thing is clear, those images are clearly non-free image.

personal attack? is this my intention? no. I JUST TOLD YOU. WHAT IS DIFFRENT WITH 'Image:Kia Ceed gray front.jpg'?

WHY THESE IMAGES ARE FREE? If you want a picture of it, you only need to go to your nearest mitsubishi dealer. ok? do you think that those images are free? huh? you make a make a contradictory statement.

THIS GUY IS A CLEARLY SOCKET PUPPET. SAME IP WITH Mitsufreak MitsuFreak and DeLarge are socket puppet. not personal attack. i edit image from DeLarge then, this guy MitsuFreak revert in just 5 sec.(every image) these are clearly non-free image and he is a socket puppet. this is the point. Totoz 19:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the suspected sock template because it's putting your talk page in categories that really don't apply. Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Mitsufreak has been denied because the procedure wasn't carried out properly, I think it's up to either a clerk or a checkuser to finish with the IP check. I don't think there's anything to worry about, it might come up in a WP:RFA but when people see the result & explanation it won't matter. I consider it better to take disputes into more viewed areas, it means others can add info and perhaps diffuse the situation. If there's anything else, don't hesitate to ask. James086^{Talk | Email} 23:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, I've watchlisted this page so we can discuss it here, that way there's an explanation right underneath the big red stop hand :) James086^{Talk | Email} 23:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Snail racing

Thanks for the great addition to snail racing - the only other person to have done anything on that article so far has been someone trying to speedy delete it! I'll be working on it for the next 30 mins or so and it'll be interesting to see if a semi-decent article can be written! violet/riga (t) 21:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to look for a further hook -- I tried but didn't have any luck finding a reliable source to confirm -- Guinness sponsoring the Gastropod Championship probably came about as a result of their "Good Things Come To Those Who Wait" ad campaign. The original ad, called "Bet on Black", can be seen here. A variation was shown in 2003 as part of a cold-themed campaign they developed for the introduction of "Guinness Extra Cold"; video for that is here.

PS: Urban legend related to the original ad is that the red shirted guy with the thick black beard, whose snail won the race, was supposedly Guinness fan Robert DeNiro/Al Pacino (delete for which version of the apocryphal tale you're passing on), who was in the area at the time they were shooting it. --DeLarge 22:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message. I understand and I was not going to escalate it, I just wanted leave a friendly reminder. The article is coming together nicely. When I came across it, there were no references and was very incomplete to a point that it appeared to be a junk article. Once references were added there was no question that it was notable. Adding an {{underconstruction}} tag will let other editors know that it is not complete and not speedy it. Helmsb 23:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Totoz - I know for an absolute fact that DeLarge and Mitsufreak are different people. You need to apologize to both of them because accusations of malign sockpuppetry are very serious complaints indeed. so, i'm sorry. Totoz 07:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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	Totoz - I know for an absolute fact that DeLarge and Mitsufreak are different people. You need to apologize to both of them because accusations of malign sockpuppetry are very serious complaints indeed. so, i'm sorry. [[User:~~221.148.48.231~~\|~~221.148.48.231~~]] 07:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)		Totoz - I know for an absolute fact that DeLarge and Mitsufreak are different people. You need to apologize to both of them because accusations of malign sockpuppetry are very serious complaints indeed. so, i'm sorry. [[User:Totoz\|Totoz]] 07:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)