User talk:Al Ameer son

Unsourced accusations

Hi, please stop entering unsourced anti-Israeli rhetoric into articles, like you did to Shagor. Thanks, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 04:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Hamas & Beit Lahia

Hello abn al Amir, Thanks for contacting me. For the Hamas article, I think there were two points:

1. You added a paragraph about the assassination of Sheikh Yassin under the new heading of "truce violations", however you probably didn't notice that his assassination, as well as those of Abd al Aziz Rantisi and others, are already mentioned under the timeline section.
2. In the section briefly mentioning the Gaza beach blast, you inserted seven who belonged to the same family, however in such a short section that information, while painful, seemed to be too much detail (imagine all the other details one could insert, then it would no longer be a summary).

For the Beit Lahia article there were also two main points:

1. You adopted a narrative framing it as an intentional massacre, however that view is seriously contested, and wasn't accepted in the manner you presented it for the main entry (Gaza beach blast).
2. The list of victims' names doesn't belong because this is an article about the town, with only the briefest mention of the Gaza beach blast. That main article contains an even more detailed list, since that is the place to cover it.

Note that in both cases I preserved parts of your edit (Arab nationalism, Yasser) I hope that I was able to ease your concerns, but if you have any more questions, feel free to ask again. I almost forgot - I wanted to compliment you on your hard work creating articles on all of the villages. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 00:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Shagor History

Hello again,

I noticed your message on Ynhockey's Talk and I wanted to clarify why he [and I] have been removing that passage. The main issue is that any information added to an article, especially when potentially controversial, must be attributable to a reliable source. Otherwise there is no guarantee that our entries are factual, since anyone could add anything, even if they believe it to be true. Even if I witnessed something with my own eyes, there is no reason for you to take my word for it, and we call that original research. The best solution is to find the account published in a reputable source, and then there will be no problem adding it.

As for renaming, I suggest you read the naming conventions, as it is easy to make a mess by improperly moving things :-) In this specific case, you should find out if Bakri prefers a specific spelling, and if not, check to see if there is a standard spelling used by professional organisations like the IMDB. If not, you can try a Google test, or check the Arabic Manual of Style. I'll try to look into this if I get a few minutes. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 04:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I found that he indeed self-identifies as "Mohammad" on his personal webiste, so that is the spelling we should use. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 05:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

To add to what Tewfik said, you also keep adding obviously pro-Palestinian sources (sometimes to ridiculous points, like palestineremembered.com and robincmiller.com, which definitely do not qualify under WP:RS), and hope to support wild stories about massacres based on these sites and books written by proven anti-Israel authors with no well-known research). You must understand that in order to include information in Wikipedia, it must not only be sourced, but the sources must be neutral and/or reputable. Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli sources are accepted as long as they're reliable (to pro-Palestinian examples are The Guardian and Benny Morris).

I wish to reach a compromise with you, but please discuss major changes which you think may be contentious before making them, and find more reliable sources.

Thanks, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

WP Palestine

WikiProject Palestine is looking for editors to help build and maintain comprehensive, informative, balanced articles related to Palestine on Wikipedia. Start by adding your name to the list of members at WikiProject Palestine. Ahlan wa Sahlan! Welcome!

ابو علي (Abu Ali) 21:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ra'ama name change

Hello, No bother at all, I'm glad to help out :-) Before we move it, lets make sure we know what the best name for it is. Since the CBS says Rame, that holds a lot of weight. However, we came across a similar case before where the town rejected the government's spelling, so perhaps you can show that the town rejects that and instead embraces Rama? Also, if you want to discuss anything non-Wikipedia with me, click on the 'email' button on the sidebar. Let me know, Tewfik^Talk 21:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Got your message, and I made the move to Rame. I also saw your post, and PalestineRemembered can be helpful as it presents certain sourced information in an accessible manner. If and when information on the website is attributed to Morris or Khalidi (or whoever), then there is no reason not to cite the actual source. If information is not attributed to a such an RS, then it shouldn't be cited as it doesn't conform in and of itself to the policy on reliable sources as a self-published source not subject to any type of review. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 00:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Zakariyya

It wasn't me that requested it, I just cleaned up the OpenTasks page. You did a great job on it! At some point, we'll need to create a template that brings together all the former depopulated arab villages. --Abnn 21:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Would you have any objection to renaming the article to something unambiguous, e.g. az-Zakariya or Zakariyya (Arab village)? It is better to have a clear meaning in the article title, than to rely on different spellings to set one article apart from another. - Fayenatic london (talk) 21:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, az-Zakariyya it is. I've changed all links into it, including your user page - hope that's OK by you. Can you tell me whether the Jewish town of Zekharya mentioned in the article is the same location as Kfar Zekharya which gave its name to Zekharyah Airbase, now Sedot Mikha Airbase? If so I will mention it in the article, and change the redirect from Kfar Zekharya to as-Zakariyya. - Fayenatic london (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Replying to my own question: I think that must be another place by the same name. It's west of Bet Shemesh, much further from Hebron. Fayenatic london (talk) 16:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear All, As a Palestinian from Zakaraiyya where my ancestors lived for the last 728 years (documented existence) i would like to say that the village is Zakariyya

Headline text

just thatزكريا in arabic..and i want also to say that our people were expatriated from our village by israeli force ..the village is now called Kfar Zekharya ...whre the biggest israeli rocket base is located.. the new inhapitans who  occupy our homes come from Kurdistan >>>

you can visit us on our group http:[\\groups.msn.com\zakariyya] best regards...Issa Adawi ..fronm Zakariyya..

Bustan al-Marj

I kept searching and searching, and haven't been able to find the 'one Jewish kibbutz' you keep referring to in the Bustan al-Marj Regional Council article. All four are Arab villages. Where did you get your information from? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

New articles

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Palestinian Towns and Villages

I hoped to contact you over the records of Palestinian towns and villages - could you please enable your Wikipedia e-mail? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.102.146.86 (talk) 10:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Re: al-Batuf

Hello,

I also thought it odd for one so far from the other three, but that seems to be the ICBS's official designation (spreadsheet file). I was a bit confused by the villages that you had added in - what made you think that they were the right ones? Also, I believe that the MOS says to put all the languages etc. in one set of parenthesis. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 01:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Governorates of Palestinian National Authority/Template for depopulated Arab villages

Sorry for the slow reply. I've addressed the issue you brought up about Governorates_of_the_Palestinian_National_Authority, at least I think so. I'm holding off on the template for the depopulated Arab villages for the time being, but eventually it would be a good idea. --Abnn 23:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking about creating a template, but right now there are just too many villages to put in one template. Although maybe a solution would be to divide it up by district and have one template for the former villages in each distinct. --Abnn 01:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Former Arab villages

Thank you for expanding the range of articles on the former Arab localities of 1948. I wanted to ask you if it's possible to bring other sources other than basing every article on one single website whose legitimacy could be easily questioned. It would be best to try and bring info from non-partisan sites as well. --Shuki 18:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstart

		The Original Barnstar
		For your great work in documenting past and present Palestinian towns and refugee camps. --Abnn 17:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Operation Defensive Shield

There are many acts out there which may count as militant attacks, such as assaulting soldiers on foreign soil or military bases, but suicide bombings against civilian buses? There is no way you can classify that as anything but Terrorism, and that is exactly what is refered in Operation Defensive Shield. Read the background. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 21:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Es Samu

I believe the current article is mis-named. The depopulated village near Jerusalem was Imwas, not Samu, which is, as you wrote, near Hebron. Isarig 06:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

There's no need - there is already an article on Imwas (as I found when I tried to rename Es Samu). I just removed the incorrect info from the Es Samu article - feel free to expand it now. Isarig 21:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

signing discussion pages

Please use the four tildes ~ to sign your comments, or design a signature that adds the date to your signature because the date is important. Thanks --Shuki 18:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Boldface in transliterations

Please don't write Hebrew/Arabic transliterations in bold. This serves no purpose, clutters the text, and (especially in the case of Arabic) makes it much harder to read. The fact that the transliteration is in brackets next to the English word (which might be in bold if it's the subject of the article) makes it obvious that the Hebrew/Arabic text corresponds to it, even without the boldface. Thanks, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, I did not mean to revert all your edits to the Shagor article, just the edit where you made the Hebrew and Arabic text bold. It was an accident and I apologize. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hebrew place names

I've added the Hebrew to all those articles you mentioned on Tewfik's talk page. Good work creating them! Number 57 16:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Good work, though Number 57 beat me by only a few minutes :-) I notice that you've added a lot of current villages to Category:Arab localities in Palestine 1948. My understanding is that it is supposed to be a reflection of List of villages depopulated during the Arab-Israeli conflict, and in any event, pretty much every current village existed in 1948, so it wouldn't really be helpful to include them alongside those that were depopulated, since the category would cease to be useful. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 07:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't say I really understand the point, and this seems like overcategorisation to me. I don't think there is any precedent for such categorisation - imagine Jerusalem in categories relating to mandatory Palestine, Ottoman control, Mameluke control, etc. all the way back to the dawn of time :-) OTOH, depopulation is significant enough for a list, and even for a category. Tewfik^Talk 18:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

No worries - I added the Hebrew to Abu Basma Regional Council too. I used to teach English to a few kids from some of those villages! Number 57 08:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I look forward to seeing more of your work! Number 57 18:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Done, but maybe you should add the arabic too :) Number 57 15:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. And I've just seen the picture you added of Rahat - doesn't really do it justice - there are some really nice houses there and a couple of beautiful mosques. Number 57 18:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Arabic translation

Aleykum Salam! Google language tools [1] do a suprisingly good job [2]. For human translation you can look here. Best of luck! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 06:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Local council or not

Done. Tewfik^Talk 22:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, if you need to access an image in the future (as in Kafr Yasif), the best way to go about it is to upload it to the Commons so that it is accessible to all projects. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 18:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the move

Thanks for moving the article to Negev Bedouins. Number 57 and I were having a conversation about this on my talk page.Vice regent 20:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Arabic

Done. Give me a buzz if you need any more. —Anas ^talk? 00:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Starting new articles

It might be better if you created an article in your UserSpace along the lines of Al-Walaja and invited us to add to it, rather than creating a stub that will quickly be targetted for deletion. I can see that you are a genuine and highly productive editor [3] so I'm not trying to put you off. But the encyclopedia has sometimes suffered a blizzard of credible-sounding new articles related to this area, which have turned out to be fantasies. PalestineRemembered 21:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

What I said was just a suggestion. There is a danger that, if others do not/cannot add to your new articles, and they remain as little more than a stub then, in a few months or a year, they will be tidied away. Keeping them in your NameSpace means you launch them only after you've had the feedback and so forth. (When you've discovered how to get a directory listing of what you're keeping, do tell me!) You may e-mail me from my UserPage, but I can't mail you, since your e-mail is not engaged. PalestineRemembered 07:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure if you click on the first link I provided aboveAl-Walaja you will be taken to a blank page to which you can add your text, and then save. This will then be in your own UserSpace, not in MainSpace. Create your article and then ask (selected?) others to help you with it. If nobody does so, and you're not in a position to turn it into a proper article yourself, then you'll know the project is not yet ready for this article to be included! I don't know how long it will be before this project page is auto-deleted, but it's probably quite a long time. If you create such an article, but then forget what you called it, the record is still in your contributions log. PalestineRemembered 16:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Please let us know how you get on, I've used this procedure a bit, but you're quickly going to discover a whole lot that I know nothing about. PalestineRemembered 16:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Hello. There is a dispute going on regarding whether or not to call the issue of Israeli Settlements an 'obstacle' to peace or not. I would appreciate your input on this matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Proposal:_.22obstacle.22_.E2.86.92_.22factor.22

cheers Suicup 05:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

(Kibbitzing here) Just a note: how could you not call it an "obstacle to peace", at the very least? +ILike2BeAnonymous 19:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Polychlorinated biphenyl vs. Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics

OK, so as things stand now, "Pcbs" redirects to the Bureau while "PCBs" redirects to the toxic chemical family. I guess that'll work. (Unless you want to set up a disambiguation page ...). +ILike2BeAnonymous 19:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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Re: infobox

Hello,

I'm working on it, and I'll soon have a working prototype ;-) Tewfik^Talk 21:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Here it is. There isn't much detail on the PNA's system of local government available, but I incorporated the basic structure. If and when we get more data, we can expand the specific classes ala local government in Israel. I'll try to help with the rest in a bit. Tewfik^Talk 08:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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I added the more accurate url to the file page. It is located in a pdf document about the photographer's stay in Beirut. The author of the photo is a wiki:user of the German Wikipedia. I copied the license tag that he used. You can try contacting him for more information. I will myself also. Al Ameer son

Thanks! But please, add a link to the de.wikipedia page where he released this as free material. Later, we could move the image to Commons. --Abu badali ^(talk) 19:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but you can clarify the link I am supposed to add to the image file on de.wikipedia. Once again sorry for inconvenience. --Al Ameer son

No incovenience at all! You should explain in Image:Arafat_in_Lebanon.jpg where did the image's author released the image as cc-by-sa-2.5. I couldn't find that information of the PDF. Is it on the german wikipedia? --Abu badali ^(talk) 20:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience, now I understand. I will try to find it on the German wikipedia, if that fails I will contact the author and add the link to the media file page. However it could take a day or two, depending on when he responds. Thanks again. --Al Ameer son

I guess it's here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:ARAFAT.jpg . I will remove the ifd right now! Thanks for working this out! --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I translated what was on the cc-by-sa license tag from the german wikipedia and I got this:

“ This file became under the conditions "of the Creative Commons denomination passing on under same conditions Germany"- license (shortened "CC-by-SA") in the version 2.0 publishes. ”

I'm not exactly an expert in this sector in wikipedia but I wonder if you can extract any information from that. If not please notify me again. Al Ameer son 15:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's just saying the image was released under ("became under") the Creative Commons Attributtion Share-alike (denomination passing"). This information is already on the images description page. I believe everything is ok now. --Abu badali ^(talk) 00:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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