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Update and edit

I have updated this article and put the original content under the heading called The Kundalini Yoga technology. I still think this particular section has too much of a personal/biographic tonality, and I think it would benefit from a different or more professional tonality in order to make it more fitting as an encyclopedic entry. Hawol--129.241.94.253 13:27, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NPOV

Having studied it more closely I think the section called "The Kundalini Yoga technology" needs a thorough re-write in order to make it more neutral. I shall look into the matter. Hawol --129.241.94.253 14:46, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Removing NPOV

I have now rewritten the disputed section, added some new material, and added more neutrality to the article by deleting sentences with a biographical bias. I hope I have not offended the orginal contributor in any way as my intention was not to act as an editorial judge but just to add more neutrality and academical scholarship to the article. --Hawol 11:08, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Interrelations

Does anybody know anything worth contributing about the relationship between Kundalini Yoga and other Yoga practitioners? Am I right in getting the impression that Kundalini yoga is seen as sort of edgy or heterodox by, say, Hatha yoga types? QuartierLatin1968 01:39, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Reply

A contribution explaining the relationship between Kundalini Yoga and other disciplines of Yoga would definitely improve this article. I am not so well-informed about Yoga as to comment upon wether Kundalini Yoga is considered more edgy or heterodox by practitioners of other yoga-disciplines. All I know is that many teachers of meditation (within genuine lineages) warns their students about the hardships and pitfalls of contemplative practice, and I believe that Kundalini Yoga is no exception from this warning. Many commentators express that it usually takes years of preparation, a well-defined cultural context, and access to a credible teacher to help a student become stable in a contemplative practice.

--Hawol 13:47, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Kundalini-article

Kundalini yoga should be merged with Kundalini, which it already shares a lot, then maybe separate out the parts that are specific to the yoga practices

See below - If Kundalini Yoga is copyrighted by the 3HO it is like a brand name assembled from 2 non-brand words. I think this article should probabaly be under the same rules that commercial articles are.

Old Cleanup Archive

Taken from the old Cleanup entry…Archived by HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 01:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

kundalini yoga - needs much work: underwikified, more external links and references than article!

The article does not mention an important detail, that the term "Kundalini Yoga" was copyrighted by the 3HO organization which has a Sikh bias, and can not be used to reference all traditional yogas dedicated to awakening Kundalini.

I am also puzzled by the Tummo Reiki reference at the top of the links, which is a relatively recent organization. There are many different types of Tummo and Reiki, and many Kundalini teachers. If you are going to advertise one then advertise them all.

Recent contribution needs re-articualation and documentation

I have removed most of the recent contributions to this article submitted by user:Guruka. The parts that have not been removed have been re-articulated in order to conform to wikipedia guidelines. Although the contributions might be said contain valid information from a Yogic practicioners perspective, they could not be said to have a neutral point of view. Also, most of the claims put forward regarding the health benefits of yoga are unsupported by bibliographical references. I would however be willing to re-include some of these passages if they could be supported by documented studies. The spiritual point of view articulated by user:Guruka is of course a highly valid point of view, since Kundalini Yoga is fundamentally a spiritual discipline. I do however believe that it is imortant to maintan encyclopedic tonality and source-critical assessment so that articles can be appreciated by a wide range of readers. Terms such as "universal Self", "highest consciousness", "prana-sub-atomic energy" have considerable ontological dimensions that needs to be elaborated more clearly, and preferably related to socio-cultural and socio-religious contexts, before they are comprehensible to a modern reader. I hope this makes sense.

--Hawol 16:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

I have tried to clean up the article up a bit in order to make it more comprehensive. The section on medical research has been expanded. References that are not cited in the article has been removed from the bibliography. The article still needs a lot of work. Whether the article should be merged with the kundalini-article still remains unclear. I believe that the article, in the future, might gain enough internal consistency to be able to stand alone. On the other hand, a merger might lead to a more economical presentation of the subject of Kundalini. Time will show.

--Hawol 13:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More editing

I have removed some features of the article that were problematic from a source-critical point of view, for example the term 'Yoga of Awareness' (origin of the term is undocumented), the association of kundalini with sudden inspiration and the ability to complete complicated tasks easily (also undocumented) and how the effects of kundalini yoga vary with each practitioner (also undocumented). I do not mean to be overtly critical. I am aware of the fact that the practice of Kundalini Yoga has a broad range of important subjective dimensions that can not easily be documented. I do however think that the article would benefit from a more precise location of the information that is contributed. Otherwise the information might merely be reduced to the status of hearsay (i.e a mixture of truth and untruth passed around by word of mouth).--Hawol 11:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Missing title

Message to contributor of the reference Sat Bachan Kaur (2004). Please include this title in the reference-section.--Hawol 10:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removing section on Simplified Kundalini Yoga

Although relevant to the article I have removed the section on Simplified Kundalini Yoga because it highlights a particular spiritual organization, and because it doesn't include any reference matarial the the information that is contributed. --Hawol 10:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More NPOV

I have removed this section because it is not written from a neutral point of view. It makes claims that are not verified by a credible written source.

The practice of kundalini yoga is universal and non-denominational. Though it has been attacked by some spiritual leaders in other religions (notably Christian), this claim can be readily dismissed as a general misunderstanding of yoga's purpose. Yoga is a deep, spiritual tradition that brings stability and peace of mind to the individual.

--Hawol 17:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work. There is still absolutely no medical citation backing up any of the physiological claims, can you assist in finding references to "Kundalini Syndrome" in a medical textbook? All of the claims are being made by psychologists, not physicians. This could be called quackery unless it can be put into a more clear context. Buddhipriya 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- January 9, 2008: Yes, please, as someone who's practiced Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan (http://www.3ho.org/), I've never heard of "Kundalini Syndrome". On the other hand, we were always taught to do the sets exactly the way they were taught. Generally a set will start low, in the core, and work it's way up the body. I've since run into people who seem to do a "mix and match" method where their sets have similar poses, but totally different (and seemingly incorrect) orders. Given the ease with which things are marketed these days, and the growth of hybrid yogas where people with some experience in various forms try and merge them, perhaps people have gotten themselves into trouble. I know Gurucharan of 3HO has been working with MIT and medical groups to get scientific data on changes that can be produced by doing yoga.

number of chakras

i only want to add that there is a discrepancy between 'kundalini yoga' and 'kundalini' article in the number of chakras. it is generally understood that there are 7 chakras along the length of the body yet the 'kundalini' article acknowledges only 6.

Sometimes the sahasrara is not counted, so the same 6 + 1 are common. In some texts you may find additions and in very old Buddhist texts you may find less. --Simon D M (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Keep up the good work.  There is still absolutely no medical citation backing up any of the physiological claims, can you assist in finding references to "Kundalini Syndrome" in a medical textbook?  All of the claims are being made by psychologists, not physicians.  This could be called quackery unless it can be put into a more clear context. [[User:Buddhipriya|Buddhipriya]] 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
+-- January 9, 2008: Yes, please, as someone who's practiced Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan (http://www.3ho.org/), I've never heard of "Kundalini Syndrome".  On the other hand, we were always taught to do the sets exactly the way they were taught. Generally a set will start low, in the core, and work it's way up the body. I've since run into people who seem to do a "mix and match" method where their sets have similar poses, but totally different (and seemingly incorrect) orders.  Given the ease with which things are marketed these days, and the growth of hybrid yogas where people with some experience in various forms try and merge them, perhaps people have gotten themselves into trouble.  I know Gurucharan of 3HO has been working with MIT and medical groups to get scientific data on changes that can be produced by doing yoga.
 == number of chakras ==