Talk:War Rock

I have put the article back to a version from its history that looks more factual, and less.... shite. Oayk 15:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Stolen first paragraph

The first paragraph is taken from http://www.answers.com/topic/war-rock, and is seen as various websites on the net. If you have the time, please change it.

This article is totally corrupt

What is this? I mean this is a Wikipedia article for goodness's sake! The little DO NOT DOWNLOAD thing at the top of the page? The "It blows" comment? Wow, shesh! Someone please fix up this article! Wolfie001 17:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe they added TWO new maps Wolfie001 01:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

With some of the worst servers online and customer service they still feel that they can charge prices that only the best games charge.

Another article already exists

Another more detailed (albeit less formal) article already exists at Warrock.

--Fixen 07:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Warrock has since been either merged or redirected to War Rock. War Rock is the appropriate name of the game it seems, and this is the appropriate place for its information. Chief1983 21:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

there are a lot of bugs in war rock. war rock is a cheap version of battlefield 2 and it laggs like crazy

It's not only cheap, it's free. Stop complaining, I can't even play it. Natas347 03:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

why cant you play it?

being that's its still beta, a lot of things need to be worked out. many of the alerts and pop-ups are still in korean. some of the mission briefings are very poorly translated. several players have bypassed punkbuster and use "holy hand gernades" which can kill the entier opposing team where ever they are located. other things, like clan options haven't been implemented yet. also, supplementary "pay memberships" will provide players with additional gear, weapons and options, above and beyond what is normally available. I'm a games journalist and will add more to the article when I get more info from the PR contact.216.7.72.130 15:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

New Release date

Does anyone have something specific than sometime in May.

Help

This really needs to be updated.Nimrod1234 00:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC) 3 new map had been release for open beta.

More details and more pictures

We really need to update some details about the game as well as talk about the weapons and all the betas.

Missing content?

I've noticed that at least Pargona (an archipelago map) is missing from the article, as well as the Little Bird and both the heavy and light boat, so there may be other things missing that weren't in the game when the article was last edited or were simply forgotten about. However, Pargona and the boats (Pargona is the only map to feature water vehicles) leads me to believe that the information is just outdated, entered in a previous version before Pargona and Ravello 2nd Street were put in.

Grumbles 15:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

New patch.

'cause there is... and did they fix the Mark V's grenade launcher? I haven't been able to get on to check and the last time I did I got repeatedly massacred by PunkBuster going crazy.

Grumbles 11:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

A corrupt company, they announced they would fix the F2p players not being able to make larger rooms in the next patch but when they noticed a few extra members were gained the etracted it and deny ever saying it.

The history section

Who thinks that we should change this to patches only and talk about what is added and deleted with each new patch?

No cause we cover all the history in that section, but i think we should add the Korean part of WarRock in their too.Nimrod1234 20:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)(aka Nevermind3)

The history topic will get too long in the future if we cover every little detail about what is happening with War Rock. The article itself will be the majorty of the Warrock Wiki. [[[User:Planb11|Planb11]] 02:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)]

For the last time

People need to stop making direct connections with Warrock and Battlefield 2. Warrock was created before Battlefield 2. Warrock is a fast pace game while BF2 is more slower paced. Just because they both have the same millitary theme does not mean Warrock was influnced by Battle Field 2.

• War Rock gained popularity in the USA because of a post on digg about it, less than a year ago. This was well after the relase of Battlefield 2. Do you have a way of proving that War Rock was released to any country before Battlefield 2? It doesn't help that they closed the beta temporarily to people outside Korea, and then reopened it. In my eyes, it's a good free alternative to game that Electronic Arts will probably stop supporting anyway once the next game in the Battlefield series is released. Chief1983 21:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

The pace of the two games is subjective. However, it is undeniable that Battlefield 2 is the current benchmark for a modern-themed multiplayer first-person shooter, and as the games are strikingly similar it shouldn't be surprisingly that War Rock would draw comparisons. --Scottie theNerd 04:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, War Rock was released for beta after Battlefield 1942, which contains similar gameplay elements to its successors. --Scottie theNerd 04:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Semi Protection

Semi protection has been added due to people of the belgium comunity keep adding a link to their clan/ comunity site whitch is advertisment.

Do not change my edit please

Well I just though of updating the M7 paragraph, since it wasn't so accurate, also I have made other updates to make the article more precise.

Do we really need a section detailing the changes from installing the patches?

Seems kind of...pointless...

Yeah, might as well give a link to patch notes or something. Darkwaffle (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Do we really need a section detailing the changes from installing the patches?

Definitely not, posting patch notes is very much unnecessary for a Wikipedia article on the game.

Should maps taken out to fix glitches still be part of the article?

The maps 'Veluf' and 'Montana' were removed in the latest patch to fix various glitches. Veluf has been removed from the article recently. Should these maps remain in the article and mention that they are currently being re-done? These maps are still in the Korean version and are only being fixed in the International version. AVX 03:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC) We also need this updated, since new maps and one weapon was added from the last patch.

FFA Tournament

Someone needs to add the FFA tournament information to War Rock.

Details

How about making it clear near the beginning of the article whether this is a multiplayer only game or if it has a single player element? I dont know, so I cant do this myself. Robinoke 17:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Clean up

There seems to be an inherent phenomenon with video game articles that causes people to unload as much as know about the game as possible. This results in what appears to be a great, detailed lengthy article to the editor or editors, but in the process they forget about the readers. For a person who wants to find out what the game is, the first thing they see is a whole bunch of weapons, maps and other jargon that will make no sense. Please see WP:NOT and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games#Scope_of_information. To make it clear: Wikipedia is not a game guide and should not contain information specific to players; it has to be accessible to everyone. If you would like to contribute this level of detail, consider contributing for StrategyWiki or e-gamia. Please discuss here before reverting back to the full list. --Scottie theNerd 02:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Given that it's been five months since I posted this, I have gone ahead and replaced the ever-growing instruction manual of game modes with a more meaningful, encyclopedic description of the gameplay. Remember that an encyclopedia explains what something is; not how to work it. There is no need to write an extensive set of rules for Wikipedia; such information will be more useful on StrategyWiki. I have also added the relevant references to the gameplay section. I ask that future additions also be referenced using reliable sources. --Scottie_theNerd 11:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Conquest Mode

Does anyone think that details regarding the new conquest mode should be added? Scorcher117 03:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Already done Darkwaffle (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

War Rock Corruption

Evenin. I'm a player of half a year in War Rock, and a review writer for Gamespot.

I started playing War Rock on July the 14th, this year, right as it came out to open beta. It was nice back then, I loved it. Then, some weeks later, I suddenly couldn't log in. While I do admit to being an MPC forum member, I do *not* hack War Rock (What's the point?Any hack is too obvious and you'd get caught, plus it ruins the POINT of the game. Hacking Maple Story for instance is acceptable IMO, because it's pure grinding past LV 40, which is annoying).

Now, nobody told me I got banned. Nobody told me why, or when. I re-registered, not knowing what happened. Played another week or two , and lo and behold! I was banned again! At THAT time, I was sure I got banned. It's almost impossible getting into contact with the admins - if you leave a message on their forums they doN't like, they ban you from the forum AND the game WITHOUT WARNING OR A PROPER REASON GIVEN.

When you confront them about mysterious bans, they most likely just shrug and go " you must have cheated durrrrr", or bring up vague excuses like "I dealt with you several times in the past" (Aeramil).

check out my written review on Gamespot for War Rock - I'm Dragonotaku7 . Or just check their forums. K2 networks administrates the game - and look at how. Tens of topics spring up daily about diffirent bugs, errors, but mostly mysterious bans or inabilities to log in. K2 also advocates a "Hardware ban" they want to set in motion - which is HIGHLY disrespectful of online user rights (Using information collected of one's PC against him is all but fair and acceptable).

I sit here now, on December 23, 3 PM exactly. And I have 35 banned accounts behind me. From July to now, 35. And no, I didn't deserve even one of them. What happens is, you log off , go to sleep, and find you suddenly can't log in anymore. Your username ans pass entered and login pressed, the screen won't switch to the servers. I also find it highly annoying that nobody will ever tell you why you got banned - or that you even got banned!

It's easy to change your Ip and make a new account though, takes 2 seconds or so, but the fact does not change. A known hacker, persia59 also posted his own hacking video on the forums - which admins replied on (Submitter name on Youtube said persia59), but he was still not banned from the game, despite using the popular and infamous "Easy Heli Hack" (Somewhat private, it makes control of your heli far easier and gives hP recharges every ten seconds like it was a person).

Overall, K2 is corrupt, a power-abusing society focused on getting money and nothing else. They excuse every bug with saying "it's still in beta", and not doing anything proper about it. Administrators also give misleading, or incorrect information. Such as, a user complaining about high ping will get banned, or if a reply is given before that, it will usually be "Don't play anything else when you play War Rock" (How does COMPUTER lag and INTERNET lag mix?no-how...).

In short, these people have no f*ckin clue what they are doing. And I do pray to dear, sweet, sweet god that the game be taken away from them or acquired by a far more competent company before these lunatics really, REALLY f*ck it up. I love War Rock but the administration is rotten and filthy.

I mean, look at Knight Online 2 years ago and look at it now ;_;. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.70.54.211 (talk) 14:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

I sympathize with you and your ban, I've had my share of Warrock bugs, glitches, and admin screwups too, but this isn't the right place to post it. 65.33.155.10 01:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

As noted above, this Talk page is for discussion of the article, not a place to rant about the game. --Scottie theNerd 02:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I AM discussing the game, I'm throwing the topic of administrator corruption and stupidity up for grabs. Take a look at this : http://forum.warrock.net/index.php?showtopic=27733 , tell me what's wrong with Korgoth's reply. Hint : It's in point #2...

Please read what I just said: this Talk page is for discussion of the article, not a place to rant about the game. --Scottie theNerd 13:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm saying, the article needs to highlight that there is MASSIVE incapability inside of the game. That the ones "in power" refuse to, or simply are too stupid to do anything to fix anything. They constantly rely on Dream Execution to fix their mistakes. The use of Punkbuster is laughable as well! Get banned here, get banned everywhere? Hardware bans? Those people are asking for lawsuits galore.

Ok first, always sign your posts. Although I already know that its the same person ranting, its always helpful to have a username signed. Second, the admins control everything and we can't do squat about that. I know, it sucks, but its the way that game works. Thirdly, not everyone has had your problems with the game and so they will not agree to make changes to the article regarding them. There are always other games though, counter-strike? Scorcher117 01:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If you would like to include a section about these alleged corruptions, please provide credible sources, bearing in mind the WP:NPOV and WP:OR policies. If you have no such sources, please do not fill this talk page with complaints about the game or its administration. --Scottie theNerd 06:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

More stuff

We need to see guns and lvl's-ranks, badges, etc. Crazykid777 20:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

No, we just removed all of that. See: WP:NOT; Wikipedia is not a game guide and should not contain lists of indiscriminate information. Guns, levels and ranks are only helpful to people who play the game, which means it's worthless to people who don't. If you would like to add lists of weapons, consider contributing to StrategyWiki. --Scottie theNerd 07:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree it needs some more information, but it was too much like a game guide and needed to be cleaned up. Perhaps something like the battlefeild 2 article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_2) would do (although personaly, i think that is too much like a game guide too). Mattyatty 19:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The BF2 article is definitely against the WP:NOT policy. --Scottie theNerd 03:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thats what I thought, yet it is listed as a good article. Wikipedia confuses me?!?!?! Mattyatty 12:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maps Section

I have added a short maps section, which lists the diferent maps in a table. I think that a short list does not break the WP:NOT guidlines. I am pretty sure the list is up to date, and i am pretty sure the spellings are correct, but someone should double check them to make sure. I am unsure if my introduction is good enough, so someone should probably revise that. Mattyatty 13:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I had to make a few slight spelling changes to Cantumira and Harbor IDA, but the rest are spelled correctly. --SportingNonsense

A list of maps is still an indiscriminate list of trivial information. How would a map list be beneficial to the article and to general readers? A list of maps or other stuff inside the game serves little beyond the game's players. --Scottie theNerd 14:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to repeat the point here: the map list contains nothing of use for non-players. I will remove the map list should there be no valid arguments to keep. --Scottie_theNerd 17:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Article Content vs. Battlefield 2

A couple of people have drawn direction comparisons to the Battlefield 2 article, which contains far more detail than the current War Rock article. As the BF2 article has a good article status, it is somewhat confusing with standards. I've looked into this a bit, and there are points for editors to gather from this:

• The peer review was conducted in May 2006. Presumably, the version of the article is something similar to this archived version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battlefield_2&oldid=53590593
• The peer review can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Battlefield_2

I presume at this stage that the CVG project was not as active as it is now, so the peer review process was barely existent, with only several editors picking over certain details and focusing on WP:CITE instead of WP:NOT. The reviewed article, in my opinion, still contains too much fancruft for it to be of encyclopedic value. Nonetheless, the article has changed substantially since the review, becoming more inflated with gameplay instructions rather than encylopedic information. Perhaps another review of the BF2 article is in order.

As for the War Rock article, once the game is released and/or more sources reveal the workings of the game, please be aware that Inclusion is not a measure of notability. Just because BF2 lists out random stuff doesn't mean other articles should. See Perfect Dark for what a Featured Article (and therefore one that meets all requirements) looks like. --Scottie theNerd 09:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Do not add communities to the list

Unless they are official. Just adding the word official to them does not make them official either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.93.12.88 (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Criticism

Not only is it poorly written but makes statements without backing them up. I agree with Scottie theNerd in that if references are not provided the section should be removed. AVX 10:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

In regards to editors who keep adding content to the section: Unless you properly source them, they are in violation of Wikipedia's guidelines. I will remove the entire section if no one can provide sources. --Scottie theNerd 09:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Odd enough, I saw a criticism with proper citations and sources yet it was removed. I think someone from the actual company is monitoring this article. The game does indeed have serious issues that need to be addressed but it is extremely difficult to obtain proper citations because most of the findings are done by players (such as myself). If someone from K2 is actually modifying it, then we should add in the criticism section (while being properly cited) then lock it to prevent corporate modification or vandalism.

Removal of Obvious and Overt Bias

"K2, is regarded as one of the worst companies in the online community. Not listening to customers and charging obscene prices for a game that does not merit them. With their members in revolt, they have been forced to award months of free premium, hackers dominate the servers when they are actually working. 25% of the time you won't be able to log in due to server errors, f2p and P2p alike. Filled with lag, the Warrock servers are deemed some of the worst online."

It doesn't say WHO regards them as such, and because of that I can only assume the person who added that bit. It may very well be true (I just stumbled across this page), but without a reference to who deems it worst company, and actual citations for the percentages of downtime and such, I don't think it should be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.55.41 (talk)

Plain old vandalism. No biggie. --Scottie_theNerd 02:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Controls?

Does this article really need a section on how to control the game? If anyone is interested in how to control the game it would be best that they visit the official site or try out the game. I highly doubt this section is relevant from the point of view of a Wikipedia article.. -AVX 16:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Laggers and Hackers

You should really write about the unfair cheatings in this game.I'm playing the free to play mode and every one knows how to cheat. Playing this game is waste of time.(If you have paid money for this game) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sina Rahmani (talk • contribs) 20:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Gameplay section

What this article needs is a gameplay section. Currently, the article only contains a list of game-types that are over-described and leaning towards game-guide information in violation of WP:NOT. We needn't go into so much depth about each game type; rather, we need to focus more on explaining the gameplay of War Rock and summarising the game-types. I will look into this major change in the upcoming days, but anyone is free to help out. --Scottie_theNerd 00:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The deed is done. See above. --Scottie_theNerd 11:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Citing Sources

I'm going to work on citing the sources. Mark anything that requires a source, and I'll try to find one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scarrier5931 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Someone is trying to hide the truth.

Odd enough, I saw a criticism with proper citations and sources yet it was removed. I think someone from the actual company is monitoring this article. The game does indeed have serious issues that need to be addressed but it is extremely difficult to obtain proper citations because most of the findings are done by players (such as myself). If someone from K2 is actually modifying it, then we should add in the criticism section (while being properly cited) then lock it to prevent corporate modification or vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.102.233.134 (talk)

No references were provided for the criticism section, so it was removed according to Wikipedia policy. If there's no proof, there's no truth. Wikipedia works with reliable sources, and opinions from players such as yourself are not only unreliable, it also constitutes original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. If you have credible, third-party sources, by all means contribute criticisms to the article. If not, you are in no position to define what the truth is. Don't even accuse other editors of vandalism and suggesting an article lock when you don't even have an account. --Scottie_theNerd 10:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I have added a Reception section, drawing on reviews from IGN and GameSpot. These reviews evidently don't speak too well of the game. If there are any more professional reviews, especially reviews that challenge the mediocrity of the game, please include them and reference accordingly. --Scottie_theNerd 11:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Why does every edit need a citation? So does that mean that someone who wants something added just needs to post the info somewhere else and cite it? Self research is by no means less accurate than cited ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.55.209 (talk) 23:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the citations have to be from reliable sources such as newspapers or academic papers. Self-published sources are specifically ruled out under WP:SPS. --McGeddon (talk) 00:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Changes

Added a fuckload of information to the article. Where did I get it? An older version of this articl.

now of course i just copy pasted the code so i'm sure theres typo's all over.

fix it and you got a better article.

at least keep some of it.

later. Phoenix

Most of the information was either removed due to violations against WP guidelines such as WP:NOT and WP:TRIVIA, as well as the WP:VG guidelines for game articles. As much information was possible was compressed and rephrased to form the current article. Reverting all edits to re-incorporate instruction manual content is not beneficial to the article. --Scottie_theNerd 08:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Listen buddy, The chart with all the levels on it needs to come back. It's on the Korean Warrock wiki. The korean version wiki is pretty damn good, maybe we should take a few ideals from it. Most of it is gibberish though because Google Translater sucks.

But in the End the Chart with the levels is good, it needs to come back. - Phoenix

No, it doesn't. A level/rank chart is game guide material that can easily be found on the official War Rock site, other game sites or game wikis. It doesn't matter if the Korean article has an experience list; the guidelines here do not endorse such content. --Scottie_theNerd 09:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Article messed up

Can anyone solve this, I would do it if I could, but I'm not very good at the Wikipedia script.

Gawanti 17:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

33% constant experience gain for premium?!

I know for a fact that players who purchased the retail package do NOT gain an extra 33% experience after their 2 months of gold premium run out.... I'm fixing it 70.249.155.91 (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)