Talk:Silverchair

The link to Eleven records in the discography goes to a disamiguation page which does not contain a link to the record company. Just thought someone should know this.

Yon

It seems like this is made up since Yon is only one name so somebody should provide a source of this Yon cuz Im taking it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 06:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Innocent Criminals or DRaS?

I actually thought Death Rides A Sandwich was vandalism, but after the repeated changings, I googled it and actually it brought me to some other sites which claim Silverchair were DRaS before. I then googled Innocent Criminals and some sites also claim it is Silverchair's original name. I've switched it to Innocent Criminals for the moment, but I don't think DRaS is vandalism either. --Paec_Djinn

Vandalism

Some idiot keeps changing 'Innocent Criminals' to 'Death Rides a Sandwich' and I am getting really sick of reverting it. I propose that we lock the article. --Mdhowe 04:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure it's not true? A quick search on google shows a number of other articles which claim Silverchair was Death Rides a Sandwich and then later Innocent Criminals. 58.110.140.124 00:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am sure. If you look at those articles that claim that, you'll notice that are are all taken directly from wikipedia. --Mdhowe 11:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Headings

Any chance anyone wants to put headings for the content which goes on forever before headings are used at the bottom of the page? The article is way too long to not have headings! If no silverchair experts do it then I will cause it looks shit --Dankru 11:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)dankru

Origin of the name

are they named after the C S Lewis book?

You've got it all wrong, silverchair was supposed to be sliver, but a mistake on Ben's behalf made it silverchair. With no capital S. They said it looked stupid with a captial. So, silverchair, was really just a misunderstanding that stuck.

It would be a large coincidence if the band's name was not named after C.S. Lewis's 6th book in the Chronicles of Narnia series titled 'The Silver Chair', as one of the main characters in the book is a amphibion-man often referred to as 'Froggy'

To put things straight, all rumors and beliefs that silverchair came up with their name by accident or by requesting songs on the radio are false. Before silverchair got their name, they were called "The Innocent Criminals." They submitted their song "Tomorrow", which at the time was over 9 min long, on tape cassette to a local radio station (Triple J). The radio station was holding a contest for local talent, and the winner would receive a recording contract. After they got signed with Sony Epic Records, they were presented with a list of potential band names. They looked over the list and ended up choosing 'silverchair' because it sounded the coolest. This information was provided by a silverchair newsletter that the band itself released. They said they were sorry for telling lies about how they came up with their band name for all these years. It just seemed better at the time to make something up when they were constantly being asked over and over how they came up with their bands name.

The story i heard, at the time, was that the name is a composite of two songs: Sliver, by Nirvana, and Berlin Chair, by You Am I. They were going to ring JJJ and request "Sliverchair", but one of them wrote it down on a piece of paper wrong, and it became "Silverchair". Unsure of the validity of this, and whether it belongs in the article or not, but this story was heard directly from the band.

Actually that was just a story they made up, a pretty unconvincing one at that. I'm pretty sure it was from the book. --Mdhowe

It's from the C.S Lewis book. Daniel was going through one of the managers book shelves (Kevin Shirley or John Watson) and found the book - obviously this story isn't very cool but that's how it apparently happened.

In this interview, Chris says: "We had the opportunity to change our name years and years ago before the Tomorrow EP came out, and we had our own list of band names that we liked and we picked Silverchair, we thought it sounded the best." --Mdhowe 09:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[1]This article DEFINITIVELY puts to rest the mystery, and confirms that they got their name from the CS Lewis book, 'The Silver Chair.' Period.

Capitalisation

"Silverchair" or "silverchair"??

I have seen it twice written as "silverchair". --Brianjd

I've also seen it written as silverchair, specifically in a newspaper piece that complained about groups that don't capitalise the first letters of their name. . . can we get something official? --Slac speak up! 23:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

It used to be uncapitalised because they thought they weren't important enough, but since Diorama is had been capitalised. --Mdhowe

It has actually been capitalized since "Neon Ballroom" when they went from all lowercase to all uppercase letters, signaling both the bands new direction and musical maturation. Though in the press it is written as Silverchair. Concerning the bands name, Chris Joannou also stated in an interview once that the 2 songs they were requesting on the radio were "Berlin Chair" by You Am I and "Silverfuck" by The Smashing Pumpkins. This leads me to believe the whole story about the radio request thing is made up. We'll probably never really know the answer to where the name came from.

Short Elvis

It seems that no one has brought up Short Elvis, which came before The Innocent Criminals. They played a show with that name not long ago (March 16th) under that name. --Anamana 05:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I have written a very small short elvis entry into the silverchair wiki page but someone keeps deleting it, whoever it is obviously does not know the history of the band.

dude, short elvis lasted for 1 show. that is all. buy a copy of Tomorrow never ends: a silverchair story. its a great biography and tends to stick to the facts. silverchair went through many, many name changes but ive never heard of death rides a sandwich. 124.184.70.211 09:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Both Death Rides a Sandwich and Short Elvis are names used by the band in the past. I believe they never used Short Elvis for any performances, though, while Death was used about 3 or 4 times in shows (I'm quite certain it's more than one show). Innocent Criminals was pretty much everything before they got their record deal, where they decided to change to "silverchair". --linca^linca 09:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Please provide a source for this information. --Mdhowe 01:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

This article could use pictures - like band pictures, album cover pictures, etc.

Critic's Darlings?

The fact that there is a section in this article called "Critic's Darlings" but not a single mention about how every single one of their albums have been universally panned as mediocre kiddie grunge by non-Australian critics, is baffling to me. I mean, I'm not losing sleep over it, but it seems like this fawning article should be tempered with some truth.

Agreed. I find it especially patronizing that Neon Ballroom is referred to as a "critically lauded breakthrough album." I remember when the album came out and I can tell you that this isn't accurate by any stretch; you can even look on allmusic right now and see that it has a lower rating than their previous two albums which were certainly not "critically lauded." The only reason I can think of for why this hasn't been fixed is that no one cares about the article outside of the fans, but this is an encyclopedia and as such shouldn't misrepresent information this way. --67.190.101.254 22:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article should be NPOV but as you say it is mainly written by fans, if it was written by you two it would just say that they're shit and that's all anyone needs to know. Unless you want to work on a truly neutral article then you're wasting your time. --Mdhowe 05:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Whoa... slow down there. The article is not going to attract any non-fan's attention if it's just going to praise silverchair over the top. In the end it will benefit everyone included if wikipedia stays wikipedia.Zuracech lordum 15:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

While a whole section on 'Critic's Darlings' is hardly appropriate, the band have had the most nominations and wins in the history of the Aria Awards - many of whom's voters are critics. Young Modern, Diorama, and Neon Ballroom received fantastic reviews, partcularly in Australia. Perhaps some further research into a variety of reviews from places other than America will prove this?

Reposted

Someone thought it would be humorous to erase the article. I brought it back. --La Pizza11 23:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I didn't feel like making a new category. Anyways, I didn't make that last vandalism. I don't know whats up. I bet I didn't log out when I was using a school computer. That's pretty crazy. --La Pizza11 00:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Silverchair logo

Yeah, it looks like a whole lot more like a Wordart creation than an official logo. I'll be reverting any edits which place the "logo" in the article. La Pizza11 17:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Most definately. Someone seriously needs to fix that logo and the band picture. Gah! --68.119.120.218 23:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm this?

Whether or not they had an EP out in 1994 called 'Tomorrow'. it has the following tracks (by the way this is off a p2p program the ep that is): 01 Tomorrow 02 Acid Rain 03 Blind 04 Stoned --220.253.48.244 04:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes they did, It was their first release. MusicBrainz has a pretty comprehensive Silverchair entry. --Mdhowe 10:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --220.253.48.244 10:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

POV issues

"battling personal demons" - That's hardly qualifiable wikipedic language. No other band bios have such personal terms.
"covers the whole musical spectrum – as its colourful cover suggest" - That may be true but it's an overstatement.
"capped a roller coaster year for the band – a year which in many ways traced the journey of "Diorama" itself – from bleak times into a much happier new dawn" - A happier new dawn?? Seriously? Are we writing a fairytale here?
"Silverchair embarked on a magical world wide tour, full of theatrics and dizzying lights" - I think "Silverchair embarked on a worldwide tour in the year 200x" is enough.

I think there is a serious point of view issue here. The entire bio is praising and frollicking about Silverchair. I think it should be a straight down to Earth biography with no ridiculous nonsense included. It's part of wikiAustralia so I won't do anything. There may be moderators involved that may have already approved but I think the article needs to be edited. Don't get me wrong, the content's pretty good but needs brushing up to make it encyclopaedic. Zuracech lordum 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. Rafaelcapanema 01:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Im pretty sure a hell of alot of this is actually lifted straight from the unofficial band biography, the very descriptive parts anyway (magical, dizzying lights etc). That is not an encycolpaedia and suitably contains colourful language. But most of this article (before the recent happenings) does really need to be fixed up.

Name

Does anyone know where they got the name Silverchair from? Tkma 14:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Try the section above titled Origin of the name --Mdhowe 14:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

Is this a fan page or an encyclopedia page? - Schnob Reider 15:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Redken: Seeing as all the facts stated are true and the refrences to their dismissal by international critics is stated I would say it is an encyclopedia page...

Sign your posts. The questionable status of this article isn't the facts contained therein, it is how they have been worded. Reading through it, one finds heavy-handed praise given to the band (favoritism is fine but it doesn't belong here) and individual members in addition to lines that detail awe and amazement, almost as if someone were treating this as a way to recount their personal memories to other individuals (taking liberty for some exaggeration but just the same, an ex. "I saw them in concert, sweat pouring, lights flashing, sounds extending across the fabric of time itself..."). --75.2.46.60 00:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

^I totally agree with your statements. It's very un-encyclopedic, and as such I fully intend on doing a heavy edit when I have the time.

For now I've removed this line: "{Lead singer Daniel Johns has overcome illness, depression and anorexia nervosa} to contribute greatly to the band's attempt to continually better past achievements."

And replaced with: "{Lead singer Daniel Johns has overcome illness, depression and anorexia nervosa} within his lifetime." Shaybear♥

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Translation

The grammar on certain parts of this page stinks. I don't know that much about the inner workings of Wikipedia, but it looks like the article was written in Portuguese and translated electronically.

• Example: In January of the 2003 Silverchair sent its second simple one: Pure Massacre .
• Should be: In January 2003, silverchair released Pure Massacre, their second #1 (second US #1 single, I assume?)

I'll work on it when I have time. I'm glad to see a new album, but I'm not a megafan, so somebody might need to watch behind me for factual errors. -- A. 00:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Silverchair awards

I have created a new list for Silverchair's awards and nominations since I was interested about their achievements after the 2007 ARIA Awards event. There's a little problem: the ARIA website displays 20 awards won by the band, while news sources say 19 awards (like this one). Why is this so?

While I'm still here, are there any other awards the band has won/nominated that isn't yet in the list? Gladly appreciate any help, thanks. RaNdOm26 16:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Pick of Destiny?

Before I begin, this is the first time I have attempted to post anything on wikipedia so please excuse any errors I make in formatting, etc.

The following claim in the Trivia section of this article seems a little absurd:

According to Kyle Gass of Tenacious D, Silverchair are the owners of the fictional Pick of Destiny.

I haven't been able to find any quotes from Tenacious D that verify this. The source cited for this statement is out of date (this should be amended to www.chairpage.com/news if it is to stay) but even a look around that source doesn't yield anything. I'm hesitant to make any changes to the article without a thorough understanding of the wikipedia system but perhaps someone else could look into this and erase/source this is necessary? The-mystress (talk) 11:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)