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(1) The city's name, Pergamum is probably related to Phrygia and the Phyrigians who settled the region c. 1200 BCE around the time of the Sea Peoples. (2) The city's name, which means "hill top" or "elevation", etc, seems to be cognate with the Germanic word "Burg", "Berg" which has the same meaning, "hill top city".

Merge

The subject matter and even pictures are almost identical with Bergama. Merge? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rabid Lemur (talk) 22:38, 3 August 2006

The article must've been changed, because they don't look at all similar to me. In any case, they aren't the same city---Bergama is a newer city that happens to be located nearby. --Delirium 16:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Link

"Encyclopaedia of Turkey: Ancient Pergamum" at the External Links is not working. This whole site seems to be closed.Orkunazgur 12:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the Internet Archive link. However, you are correct: the project was canceled due to financial problems. Khoikhoi 21:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, that link is also not working. — Quin 02:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent disagreements

There has been some recent disagreements in this article over the names of some places, in the hopes of preventing a edit war and the impending bans stemming from such a war, It would be nice to discus the the actual current name of pergamon here before putting it in the actual article.--Pewwer42 Talk 09:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pergamon is an ancient Greek city in modern day Turkey, Bergama is a modern day city lying to the south of the ancient city. The two articles are split, so the one talks about the Greek city and the other the Turkish city. So the Ancient Greek city writes the name of the city in Greek which the IP user feels like removing for some reason. _{El Greco}^(talk) 15:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The IP user User talk:88.253.44.253 continues to remove the name without discuss it. _{El Greco}^(talk) 19:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've left him a note on his IP talk page. Shall we ask for a "third party" viewpoint if it happens again? With two different articles, this editing is super-clear IMO. Student7 (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. _{El Greco}^(talk) 22:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will the IP User please stop making the changes and discuss his/her actions?? _{El Greco}^(talk) 19:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I left a note on his discussion page. He answered by saying that "he lives there" ostensibly in both cities which he maintains are in the same place (!), the one that Turkey maintains as a historic tourist site with ruins and a entry fee, the other the modern city which is not really close by. I questioned him on that! Student7 (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds original. _{El Greco}^(talk) 01:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IP user please discuss your reasons? _{El Greco}^(talk) 17:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, since the IP dude isn't giving a reason for the edits, I think it's safe to label them disruptive since consensus here (from what I can tell— I have no idea what the full arguments are) is that since the city doesn't officially exist as a city in Turkey, it's an ancient city of ancient Greece. The fact that three are tourist traps there probably isn't sufficient enough of a reason to label it as a city in Turkey; plus, its primary claim to fame is rooted in Greek history. So, since no other constructive edits have been originating from new/anon users recently, I feel it's safe to semi the page for a week (hopefully to stimulate discussion as opposed to the current minor edit warring). Feel free to drop a {{editprotected}} here if you're a productive anonymous/new editor and your changes can easily be implemented. Cheers =) --slakr^\ talk / 20:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::That sounds original. <sub>[[User:El Greco|'''El Greco''']]</sub><sup>([[User talk:El Greco|talk]])</sup> 01:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 ::::::IP user please discuss your reasons? <sub>[[User:El Greco|'''El Greco''']]</sub><sup>([[User talk:El Greco|talk]])</sup> 17:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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+Well, since the IP dude isn't giving a reason for the edits, I think it's safe to label them disruptive since consensus here (from what I can tell&mdash; I have no idea what the full arguments are) is that since the city doesn't officially exist as a city in Turkey, it's an ancient city of ancient Greece. The fact that three are tourist traps there probably isn't sufficient enough of a reason to label it as a city in Turkey; plus, its primary claim to fame is rooted in Greek history.  So, since no other constructive edits have been originating from new/anon users recently, I feel it's safe to semi the page for a week (hopefully to stimulate discussion as opposed to the current minor edit warring).  Feel free to drop a {{t1|editprotected}} here if you're a productive anonymous/new editor and your changes can easily be implemented.  Cheers =) --[[User:Slakr|<span style="color:teal;font-weight:bold;">slakr</span>]]<small><sup>\&nbsp;[[User talk:Slakr|talk]]&nbsp;/</sup></small> 20:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)