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TALK TO ME!

Go on, just click!. I'm happy to discuss anything. Also, check out MY USERPAGE.

(Please note, there is a good chance I will ignore—or simply remove—what I perceive to be incivility, trolling or bullying).

Kind regards and happy editing - Merbabu

Indonesian School list

I have thought about it carefully - it is crazy - proyek gila - in Indonesian - I will try to ask all involved for it to be abandoned Satu Suro 14:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mosman, New South Wales

I don't think you should be removing photos from the Mosman article, which illustrate the landmarks in the article. We should be expanding the articles with information and photos, not deleting them. As a guide, I suggest that you take a look at some of the more extensive articles that have been produced for Ashfield, New South Wales and Parramatta, New South Wales. If we had that much information for Mosman, then the photos would not look out of place at all. You seem passionate about this subub, so maybe you can do some research and provide more information so that the Mosman article can come up to the standard of other Sydney suburb articles. Please leave the useful photos in there. Cheers J Bar (talk) 22:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The excessive number of photos are not useful and wikipedia is not an image gallery. That a pic or its subject might be pretty, is not the criteria for inclusion in wikipedia. Also, you will note that the history section is a copy and paste from the Council's site. Futher, it is a good idea to take your own photos and load them into wikipedia - it is a very bad idea to be seen to be forcing less than useful pictures, to the point of overload, when they are you own. --Merbabu (talk) 22:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not excessive at all. It's quite conservative really and quite usual for articles on places: South Yarra, Victoria, Prahran, Victoria. Why are the photos of landmark buildings 'less than useful'? They illustrate information in the article. J Bar (talk) 22:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Landmarks to the suburb possibly, but not wikipedia (at least in most cases, here). There needs to be a link to a section where notability can be clearly established. Eg, there is no notability of the Prince albert terrace. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to the suspicion that you are just trying to showcase your own pretty pics of nicish but non-notable items. But please discuss this on the article talk page from now on. Thanks --Merbabu (talk) 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

in-line citations...

You need to put page numbers into your inline cites. Here for example. This is particularly the case with the federation book you used which does not contain the info you said it did. thanks --Merbabu (talk) 13:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been trying to do that whenever I can. I am currently editing from a number of locations and do not have the reference material with me at every location. As I revert vandalism and do rewrites, I'm also trying to move my references to the particular information to avoid any information being deleted. Along with a few other people in the Sydney suburbs project, we are attemptiing to add those page numbers from the reference material used. It won't happen overnight butr it will happen. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, they need to go in at the time. I trust I don't need to point out that you can't add info without a reference, and can you use a reference if you don't have it in front of you? The page numbers need to go in. I hope the rest of your referencing is not like it has been at Mosman. regards --Merbabu (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that was the way it was done mate. As I said, we are going back and rectifying it, to include page numbers. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks. J Bar (talk) 13:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re-release of U2 albums discussion

Hi Merbabu, there is a discussion on Talk:War (album) about whether to include information on the possible re-releasing of War, October, and Boy that you might be interested in. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suburbs articles

Hi. Have just looked at the debate on the Mosman article. It's true that the suburbs articles generally don't have enough references, but some of us are working on it. It's a slow process, but we're doing our best. Obviously, the people who wrote these articles should have put the refs in. Now it has to be rectified, but with that many articles, it will take time.

Perhaps you'd be interested in helping out?

Sardaka (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

about the reversion of my indonesia edit...

i like the compromise. i enjoy knowing about independencies of nations, and konwing who independence was gained form is key to the history of a nation. Indonesia also hits home with me, my grandfather's family owned the largest rubber plantation on Sumatra. Always obliged to work along side such an accomplished editor=)Duhhitsminerva (talk) 04:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Manor

Thanks for the word on the manor. I don't think it's too long; the fact is that a lot of these "landmark" blurbs are a bit skimpy; more detail would go a long way.

Re it's own article: I thought of it, but didn't think it was notable enough. Might be hard to justify if challenged. But I've written it up in my new article, Heritage homes of Sydney. See what you think.

Sardaka (talk) 12:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently we don't see eye to eye on the subject of galleries. In this case, the point is that the shots were there anyway, so I just organised them better, because they were all over the place.

Sardaka (talk) 13:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the subject of whether "exhaustiveness" is implied or not, what is wrong with my style in regard to this particular edit?

Sardaka (talk) 13:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven's Army

Lol did you have to shut me down by deleting my picture of merbabu and merapi =(--Heaven's Army (talk) 09:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again?

I see you were a bit hasty there Beethoven Prester John (talk) 04:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah - I made a mistake - have you ever admitted that? As for stalking - your accusations are getting as boring as they are baseless and hypocrtical. Don't you use a watch list? Now drop it already. --Merbabu (talk) 04:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well what have we here? And here? See, crying "stalking" every 5mins is a pointless game. --Merbabu (talk) 04:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dummying

Hi Merbabu. I respect your efforts on the Copra article. However, the article is about a chapter in the history of both Australia and PNG. All references, from the Parliament of Australia in the early 1900s to todays news articles, all use the term dummy or dummying. How can the term be POV when it is was the widely used term? To call it something else wipes out part of our history. Also, the article is not about 'copra plantations in New Guinea. It's about Copra Dummying. Regards, Lester 11:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, Merbabu. I thought you had moved the article. In fact it was Prester John who did it.Lester 11:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm - I understand where you are coming from on this issue, but I actually think it is more interesting and valuable to create an article on the whole history - copra dummying can be part of that. You'll notice from my extensive work on Dutch East Indies and Indonesian_architecture#Colonial_architecture, that the colonial history of our neighbourhood is a little pet topic of mine. I always find it interesting to see how us white fella's coped in the exotics. --Merbabu (talk) 11:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jamsheed Marker...

St. Petersburg Times is a national newspaper, the largest in Florida and is reliable. So please don't jump to conclusions just because it's sexy. Below is the article:

Eckerd instructor injured in car crash St. Petersburg Times (Florida) August 29, 2001, Wednesday, 0 South Pinellas Edition Copyright 2001 Times Publishing Company St. Petersburg Times (Florida) August 29, 2001, Wednesday, 0 South Pinellas Edition SECTION: CITY & STATE; Pg. 3B LENGTH: 281 words HEADLINE: Eckerd instructor injured in car crash BYLINE: LEANORA MINAI BODY: A weekend car accident in New York has injured Jamsheed Marker, an Eckerd College instructor and retired diplomat, his wife and daughter. Marker, 78, and his wife, Arnaz, 64, are in stable condition at Saint Francis Hospital in Poughkeepsie, N.Y. Their daughter, 50-year-old Feroza Marker, who works as an occupational therapist in New York City, is in critical condition. "We're all terribly, terribly sorry to hear about this," said Kitty Rawson, a spokeswoman at Eckerd College in St. Petersburg, where Marker teaches diplomacy and international relations. Marker, a former Pakistani diplomat, suffered a fractured hip. He has lived in northeast St. Petersburg with his wife since 1989. The accident happened at 5:48 p.m. Saturday while the Marker family rode in a hired car in Stanford in Dutchess County, N.Y., said Sgt. Robert Hogan of the New York State Police. A westbound 1998 Ford on County Route 17 crossed the double yellow line and collided head-on with the Marker's eastbound 1993 Chevrolet, police said. The driver of the 1998 Ford, Jessica Olay, 17, of Pine Plains, N.Y., and her three passengers were not seriously injured. No charges have been filed. The investigation continues. Marker was the U.N. special envoy to East Timor in 1999. As such, he helped negotiate a settlement to a conflict that killed more than 200,000 people and threatened the stability of Indonesia. He has taught at Eckerd College since 1995. "He's well-liked by students and valued by his colleagues," said Rawson, the college spokeswoman. "We are not sure whether he will be able to teach this fall." - Times researcher Kitty Bennett contributed to this report. --RossF18 (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney Heritage

So, you're suggesting I write 20 separate articles. It would sure be a few arrows in the quiver, but let me think on it a while, especially since I'm thinking of turning it into a book I almost wrote 20 years ago, but not quite. I'm now adding shots of the manor. Did you do the article on it? Sardaka (talk) 07:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like an article on the Manor, but I was going to give you a chance to do it - that is, if I created it, it would be more than likely that my work would be limited to using the info you've already obtained. I certainly think it would make a nice little article - it will never be huge.

As for Mosman article and Manor photos - it seems commenting or even removing other people's photos in the Mosman article seems to get me accused of WP:OWN, but my suggestion would be not to include the Manor for a photo. I would like to see some shots of good and typical examples of federation housing stock (no, not necessarily the biggest house - just the modest typical ones), some shots of the water, and national park. Mosman Bay is iconic - for example.

As for the house articles, you don't have to do the whole lot now, why not go through them on a priority basis? And for each one, you have most of the info to at least start. So it's not really writing - setting up. A nice navigation template could also be done. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 08:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mosman etc

OK, leave it with me and I'll do the article on The Manor over the next week. I thought of it anyway and I guess it would be notable enough because it's mentioned in at least 2 books and 1 mag article.

You've been accused of thinking you own the Mosman article? How dare they say such a thing!!!!!!??????Actually, I was starting to think the same thing myself. It was like your opinion was the last word on the subject (if you'll forgive me for saying so).

On the Mos article: I've put a shot of the manor in. I think your attitudes seem a bit contradictory. You said shots should be supported by the text, yet the manor is and you don't want a shot of it. you want Fed architecture, but you deleted shots of it and complained that the article wasn't about architecture.

You mentioned shots of the nat. park; I have many shots of it, having written a book on the subject, so I could chuck one in, if you promise not to delete it 5 minutes later.

On your "edits" to Heritage Homes: they were uniformly bloody awful (I'm sure you'd be disappointed if I were less than brutally honest). You can't write and you have no visual sense.

Anyway (says he after 3 glasses of Passion Pop on an empty stomach), you seem to be keen on Mosman. Is that where you live? catch y' later, Sardaka (talk) 08:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]