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Dane Bowling

What to do about this Dane Bowling guy, and his Seth Happens film? It's clearly vanity, I see you've proded the pages, but I think they should just be speedied. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 02:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I won an award at my school's sports day when I was 12. Anyway, I guess it has to go through the long and tedious process of AfD, though I think it's a snowball. Please have a say: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 July 4. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 02:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

don't delete

Hi, we are just waiting for the IMDB page to approve (they say it takes a week) The short is also going on the MGM dvd/bluray 2-disc of Troll 2, but I have to wait on permission to put that tidbit up as well. Sorry for the confusion, but I assure you this isn't some vanity nonsense. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popstar17 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

xitip

xitip.epfl.ch indeed now has the software with downloads. Hope you can access it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galoiserdos (talk • contribs) 12:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Declining speedy deletions

I'm a little confused why you, as a non-admin, are declining speedy deletions. The article I tagged as A7, Atsuko Kawada, makes no claim of notability and simply states "X is an actress". In the future, please allow an admin to do the job if you are not going to do it correctly. I've now prodded the article, which is an utter waste of time. XRK (talk) 15:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The Winnipeg Singers

Hi Eastmain, I don't have a problem with your action provided you add a claim of notability to the article from a reliable source. Whenever you remove a speedy template (which I do sometimes myself) it would be a good idea if you worked to improve the article to make it clear that it does not fall under the speedy deletion criteria. Otherwise it can be renominated. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 23:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Asia Pacific Resources International Holdings

Nice job, I appreciated it. I could have searched for references myself, but I believe this is work editors should do before creating articles =P Thank you, Victor Lopes (talk) 21:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The Winnipeg Singers

The article has had more references added, can the tags be removed? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 01:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Duplantier and others

Thanks for your comments.

No, removing speedy delete tag is the same as a normal deletion tag. it is normally subject to review of an admin. Wikipedia:SPEEDY#Procedure_for_administrators. As for non admin closure, it does not apply here since there is no unanimous position. Secondly, just because an article of the subject is in another language does not mean it is notable in the English speaking world. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A helpful person

Thanks for fighting for justice and the little guy - Megadan76 (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi. :) Thanks for addressing the MAC logo situation. I've copied your comments over to the permanent listing for the image, here, as I'll remove it from the consolidated section. Please let me know if that's a problem for you. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Timpanogos Regional Hospital

Though some references have been added, the current references do not indicate any notability.Chikwangwa (talk) 00:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Eastmain, this user is a sock of User:Muntuwandi. Please disregard his comments as Muntuwandi is indef blocked. You can also feel free to strike his vote as soon as they ban him as said sock. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

An IP requests restoration of Court of Flags Resort

I've restored the article as a contested PROD. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Radio stations

Regarding Afam FM: Could you point me to the policy that says that licensed radio stations are automatically notable? I don't necessarily agree with that.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding 107.3 Abbey FM: Spam about a notable subject is still spam. I've replaced the CSD tag.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Entertainment says: "Licensed radio and TV stations are notable if they broadcast over the air and originate at least a portion of their programming schedule in their own studios. Lower power radio stations limited to a small neighborhood, such as Part 15 operations in the United States or stations with a VF# callsign in Canada, are not inherently notable, although they may be kept if some real notability can be demonstrated. Stations that only rebroadcast the signal of another station should be redirected to their programming source (e.g. CICO-TV is a redirect to TVOntario.)" --Eastmain (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Assistance Needed with "Gabriel Murphy" Article

I see you are an objective Wikipedian who regularly reviews AfD candidates. I am requesting you review the article Gabriel Murphy and cast your vote on whether this article meets the notability standard. This article was userfied where it was re-written and brought up on deletion review Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June 28 and the concensus was to keep and move into mainspace by a vote of 3-0.

Now the same user (Wolfkeeper who had AdFed the article on two prior occassions did the same here the very next day after it was moved into the mainspace by a Wiki administrator via the consensus to keep via the deletion review process. If you can take some time to review the Gabriel Murphy article and cast you vote on the current AfD as to whether you think it meets the notability standard and should be kept I would appreciate it. LakeBoater (talk) 13:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Braydon Szafranski

It looked like there were claims of notability there, so I only tagged it for sources and cleanup. Corvus cornix_talk 15:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Private equity articles

Eastmain --

Can you help out with an issue that just popped up. I have been working on several articles over the last day or so as part of the Private equity task force and encountered a couple of speedy deletes -- one you just noted for Berkshire Partners. I just noted that J.W. Childs Associates had been deleted due to alleged "copyright" issues however that article was written based on several different sources and very little content came from the company's website, most came from refernced articles. If you can help restore the article, I would be happy to work through specific issues. It would be unfortunate if I had to use my last locally saved version and start again.

Also, the same editor tagged JLL Partners on the same basis as Berkshire Partners. I don't think that any of these articles are particularly biased or promotional in nature. In fact most of the JLL article is about issues that the firm has faced and spends time discussing the mixed results of the investment funds. Not exactly the best promotional material.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.|► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 04:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks on JLL Partners -- any chance you can help out with the deletion of J.W. Childs Associates or do I really need to go to a deletion review? After a few back and forths with the admin who deleted, the objection stems to some very generic material that appears in numerous places but would hardly qualify as "copyright infringement" and certainly not to the point to delete the entire article (i.e., there is perhaps one sentence in the entire article that includes "objectionable text".

I remember your help once before when I was just starting out and it was appreciated then as it is again. |► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 05:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

• The administrator who deleted the article may be willing to restore it if you explain the situation. Otherwise, please see Wikipedia:Deletion review. I'm not an administrator. --Eastmain (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Jalat Khan

I've put the speedy tag back. WP:Cricket has come up with a description of what the WP:Athlete criteria mean in the context of cricket. This can be found at WP:CRIN. Essentially, for a player from the modern-era, to be considered notable, they should have played a first-class, List A or official Twenty20 match. Jalat Khan, as can be seen from the reference provided in the article, has played none of these forms of the game, therefore is not notable, despite playing for a national side. Andrew nixon (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Sidsel Knutsen

Hello! You did a wonderful job in preserving the article Sidsel Knutsen. I put that up for speedy delete consideration, and I am very glad that you were able to locate the references to save the article. Wikipedia is a better place thanks to good people like you!

Ecoleetage (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

P.S. Yes, I am back to give you cheer for saving Alchemy Systems. I am genuinely impressed with your dedication to the articles here. If I can ask -- have you thought of being an administrator? I think you would be wonderful in that role. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 23:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

P.P.S. Hey, check out this AfD: [1]. We could use your research skills on that one! Ecoleetage (talk) 23:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey again. First, thanks for tagging the article -- that one has been quite the puzzler and I am curious to see where it goes. Second, you would be a brilliant administrator - when you are ready to give it a go, I will back you enthusiastically. Third...oh, Lisbon's transportation system is not something I have any fondness for, let alone expertise in writing about. But let me look around to see what I can find. I have a long list of subjects that I want to write about. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Marc A. Anderson

Hi Eastman, I don't agree on your arguments its not spam, its COI , the webmaster from Marc A. Anderson wrote the article which is a notorious spammer, its abuse of the wikipedia logo on the website of Marc A. Anderson and the article is only ment as "look i have an article on wikipedia. So notable or not. the article should go. Mion (talk) 08:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

No, see Wikipedia:ADVERT#Advertisements_masquerading_as_articles, that article is only made for promotional purposes. Mion (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You seem to ignore the fact that i had to revert almost all edits from the creator of the article for spamming. Mion (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Amanda Balon

Ahh sorry, misread it. I thought the tour was referring to the community theatre productions. Ironholds 09:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Juneau Alaska Police Department

An article that you have been involved in editing, Juneau Alaska Police Department, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juneau Alaska Police Department. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 01:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Grant Jeffrey

Just as a passing note, Grant Jeffrey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was tagged as {{db-spam}} not {{db-a7}}, an assertion of notability does not prevent it being advertorial and is not a reason for declining a G11. You are of course entirely free to dispute the G11, I acknowledge it is borderline which is why I didn't simply nuke it. Cheers, Guy (Help!) 08:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

references added

Thank you! Could you tell me if these following are good or bad references? They've scared me out of adding them... I hardly dare to do a thing for fear they tell me I am doing it wrong again. He's mentioned in all of these.
Robin Hood Society
Robin Hood World Record
BBC Interview with a legend
BATMAN AND ROBIN: WILL BALE DON OUTLAW'S GREEN TIGHTS?
Mike Spicers Read 'n Writer
RoS The Seven Swords of Wayland

Philoelpistina (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Star for you!

		The Barnstar of Recovery
		Thanks for saving Information Resources Management College! NuclearWarfare (talk) 01:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Station centrale d'autobus

I have no idea as to when the move will occur, if ever. But when the new building will become available, the old one may be torn down thereby forcing the move. This issue needs to be watched. Peter Horn 14:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

RobotShop

As a first time contributor and long time user, your unbiased modifications in an attempt to "salvage" the above article were appreciated. When a Wiki user or moderator gives specific information (to either keep or delete an article) is allows for greater discussion and debate. Even if the article is deleted, the classic saying "give a man a fish..." still applies.--Cbenson1 (talk) 19:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the answer and the link to the Dutch thingie. This site's help area is so confusing with so many pages with miles of text that make little to no sense to me. I get a sign the article is orphanaged and needs references on other pages, so I do one or two, and I get a message I'm spamming. I put the article up and someone starts screaming it needs to be deleted cos they think it looks more like an add. Instead of offering to help me to rewrite it, tell me at least why they think so or sending me a message beforehand. I am a writer, I am a poet, it's hard for me to 'write without feeling'. I am not a neutral person by nature. At all. If I like something I can get so thankful for it existing I hardly know where to put myself anymore. It's being an HSP and an artist, and I get easily on overload. I have tried to work through the info pages, but my mind gets into a knot. It's too much text in one place without simple examples. I'm a practical learner, I need to 'see' in order to understand. This Wikicode is completely new and confusing to me. I understand CSS and HTML, but this is algebra to my brain. So I used a template from an existing page on wikipedia and still they tell me I did it wrong. While in a way that way it was practically the same. I'm so confused. I saw something in a page about not biting the newcomers. I don't feel bitten, I feel as if I've been hit by a truck. I should be packing for my 6 week trip at the moment, my head is running over, I'm already on panic attack meds so I need to take it easy, but instead I feel as if I'm having to fight a battle on here. So anyway, I am thankful for your help with the proper categories (think that was you too?) and the added references. And the more understandable explanation about the references and what is possible and what is not. A well needed breath of fresh air. Philoelpistina (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks, I hope so too. Pictures enough. I always have a camera at hand. I'll be doing album sleeves shots for the group I sing in, photographing the (Folk) concerts of the gathering I organise, photographing a wedding and taking pics at Greenbelt Festival. And of whatever strikes my fancy inbetween. I may need to buy an extra hard drive to store them all. lol! Philoelpistina (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Patricia Jacobs

Not worth restoring. One sentence and no mention of notability that was clear. Feel free to recreate with some asseertion of notability. Here is what was there:

'Patricia Jacobs FRS, is a distinguished British geneticist. She is Professor of Human Genetics in Southampton University at Salisbury district hospital. '

Vegaswikian (talk) 06:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course it could b rewritten, but it would be better to admit the error in the deletion. The most that could have been said is unsourced, but sourcing something like this is pretty easy & that's not a reason for speedy. I will restore it tomorrow if the deleting admin doesnt. DGG (talk) 09:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC) Well, it's back. Thanks indeed. DGG (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sheldrake Lake

You wrote: If Sheldrake Lake is deleted, could you please create a new article to replace the old one, using whatever reliable information on the lake you can find? Please add {{gnis|965021}} and http://www.sheldrakecenter.org/ as references to the new article if you create one. -- Eastmain (talk) 05:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no first-hand information about this lake. The article is one of many that were created by a user who has been banned after adding content that is unsourced, poorly sourced, falsely sourced, inaccurate, brazenly plagiarized, trivial, and/or not-NPOV. Life is too short to be spent searching for the shards of worthwhile content in this user's "contributions" -- and continually improving his material only encourages him to continue running sockpuppets. --Orlady (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Modern Dance

I am hoping to include more entries on modern dance artists. MOST OF THE WORLD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS even though it is 100 years old. Thank you for helping me with the Marion Rice entry. I have added more entries!

The truth is, Modern Dance has been widely misunderstood. In fact, even the name is now kind of obsolete! When Modern dance began to emerge, well, it was pretty modern. But that was around 1900, making Modern Dance's foundation over a hundred years old! Shouldn't we call it something else now? Well, we can certainly see how the name "Modern Dance" only adds to the confusion.

Around 1900, the dance scene had gotten fairly stale. Romantic Ballets were just about the only things being performed, but the peak of their popularity had been some 60 years earlier. At that time, a young woman named Isadora Duncan decided there must be another way to move; ballet was too artificial. So modern dance arrived as a rebellion to ballet.

Isadora took her ideas from Greek statues and art; also drawing much of her inspiration from the music. Instead of the romantic tutus, audiences of Isadora Duncan would have seen a woman clad in long, flowing tunics and bare feet, the sight of which shocked many theatergoers. Isadora danced on a carpet, which travelled with her – perhaps to make her footfalls silent or provide a softer landing. Her dances consisted of simple phrases of movement... skips, walks and leaps, all very eloquent, the use of gestures... she would frequently end a dance with one arm drifting skyward. In any case, for an audience used to romantic ballet, Isadora Duncan was highly unusual.

Nearly at the same time, another dancer was thinking many of the same thoughts about conventional ballet. Her name was Ruth St. Denis. Interested in performing "non-balletic" dance, St. Denis sought to find inspiration from the Orient and mystical things, and later she used Indian and Hindu images. Like Isadora Duncan, St. Denis had dance reformation on her mind. She and her husband, Ted Shawn, formed a dance school/company. It was called Denishawn (makes sense), and it was perhaps the most important thing to happen to modern dance ever, for two of the students at the school were named Martha Graham, and Doris Humphrey.

By 1930, most people had heard of modern dance, even if they had never seen one. The Indian/Orient themes had been done over and over (not unlike the overwhelming number of romantic ballets that spurred modern dance in the first place!), and some of Denishawn's students sought different ways to express themselves. Forming companies of their own, Graham and Humphrey choreographed dances that were complex and dramatic, showing the audience that dance could convey deep meaning and themes. Both women left Denishawn with a rebellion in mind- - no more fluffy Oriental dances. So here we see, the first rebellion against the rebellion!

Graham's work was especially important to our brief history of modern. You see, she was the first modern pioneer to actually codify her movement- – that is, to have a vocabulary of steps and moves uniquely hers. She also created exercises in class that would reinforce those steps and moves. A Graham class begins on the floor with exercises called "breathings", and moves on to contractions. It is HIGHLY technical work. Anyone who says that modern dance is just "free flowing movement" has never seen Graham work, let alone taken a Graham class.

Incidentally, at the time, there was another form of dance that had a codified set of steps and moves, and exercises that reinforced them. Can you guess? It was ballet. So in fact, Martha Graham was doing something quite similar to the procedure used to train ballet dancers, but don't tell Martha that. The only difference was the vocabulary of steps that were taught. Both forms are equally demanding. Both forms require exactness of movement. Both forms can only really be done well by accomplished dancers.

Like her predecessors, Martha Graham's and Doris Humphrey's companies and schools consisted of dancers who would eventually choose to create their own styles/ syllabi/ companies. If you will, rebellion against the rebellion against the original rebellion. Among them: Merce Cunningham, Erick Hawkins, and Paul Taylor.

At this point, our family tree becomes a bit too diverse to continue without writing an entire book on the subject. We can see how the roots of modern dance started with Isadora Duncan and Ruth St. Denis, continued with the Denishawn school/company, then to Martha Graham and Doris Humphrey, and onward. Each person sought to create movement that was unique and rooted in something other than the existing dance forms. To this day, Modern dance seeks to re-create itself and reach out in an ever widening circle of creation and movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riceflan (talk • contribs) 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Eleanor Burbidge

A while ago, you deleted Eleanor Burbidge. She is a notable scientist, but the article may not have made this clear. Could you please restore the article so that I can add that she is a Fellow of the Royal Society? Thank you. --Eastmain (talk) 19:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to create an article on her. Or perhaps this should be a redirect to Margaret Burbidge if that is the person you are referring to. The article I deleted in 2007 was not about the scientist, but was a vanity bio of a modern day teenager and thus has no content of any value to a potential new article worth undeleting. Cheers, NoSeptember 04:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

article on Saldan

Hello Eastmain,

Thank you for your input. Drastic revisions have been made to address the tone of the article. Edited out text which seemed more of an opinion than fact. Would you be willing to review again and give input and perhaps reinforce a vote to keep?

Others are very, very tough. First article, was hoping they might give a little leeway so that new contributors can be encouraged to continue participating, but they are some very tough folks. Nevertheless, working to address the various issues they have raised.

Thank you for your kind consideration.

68.83.140.16 (talk) 04:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)