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The Awakening Full Episode Review

And here we are again.->[1] Just givin a heads up in regards to all the Avatards that are gonna read it and start posting the info up left right, and pretty much anywhere they see fit. Believe this happened last time with that whole Secret of the Fire Nation thing. Can't quite remember how it went down, but I'd assume that the info was held until the episode aired. Could be wrong, so is that how its gonna be this time round? Father's Wish II 10 September 2007 (UTC)

New incarnation series for Avatar.

Ok. I've heard this news before, but we need to change the link of this information in order to keep it in the article. I'll go find one. :D--Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Reference # 31 (the IGN.com interview)DOES state this news in a way. I had a newsarama.com interview in mind, but I can't find it (the website was "upgraded" and no longer has it). If anyone can find this interview or something better for this part of the article, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks! :D --Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I finally found it! It's at [[2]] . I hope that this is good enough to use in the article! --Freespirit1981 (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The day Newsarama isn't reliable is the day Satan announces his homosexuality successful bid for President of the United States. Good find. And I too hate the new site. Rau's Speak Page 20:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the reference to the article. However, I'd retract the,ummm, "comment" you just made. You may offend someone. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 20:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You're probably right. I think this is better anyway. Rau's Speak Page 21:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice one! :D But newsarama.com can still be a reliable source for this article, despite the changes. I'm also a part of their Avatar forum. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I use it to source all the time. But we are getting chatty, only a matter of time till someone tells us to stop. Rau's Speak Page 17:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I just checked your reference and it seems to be incorrect. They had made an edit to the interview and stated "Newsarama Note: The original article stated that there were three more seasons of of Avatar coming. According to Nickelodeon, that is not the case as of this time. We regret the error." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.26.111 (talk) 07:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Characters

Articles have been created for both Mai and Ty Lee. I was wondering if we should restrict character articles. Perhaps to main characters only? Rau's Speak Page 03:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that character articles should be limited to main characters. Also, the previous age that was listed for Azula before all of the editing madness going on recently was 15. She was the same age as Sokka and one year younger than her brother. (The reference listed for the character ages is a Nickelodeon interactive page, but I don't think that the character bios are still there. She is, however, only one year younger than her brother.) Lore aura (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, according to Nick's description of her (the one that's referenced), it lists her age as 14. TakaraLioness (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. I was under the impression of something different. Could you tell me where you found this on that website, because I could not find it. Lore aura (talk) 03:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, just don't go past the list of character's you already have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ninja Assasin (talk • contribs) 03:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Go to "Season 2" → "The Avatar State" → "Characters" → "Azula", there are instructions on her article, but not here because the ref is used for more than just her. And she's two years younger than Zuzu. And if we limit them to main characters, what about Suki, Mai, and Ty Lee? Rau's Speak Page 15:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Mai's age is listed as 15 on that site (episode 203). I could not find Ty Lee's age though. Lore aura (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Ty Lee's age isn't listed. But when I wrote those, my internet was being wonky so I couldn't check. Rau's Speak Page 23:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No, Ty Lee's age isn't stated on the main Nick site, though with Mai, there's actually a discrepancy in her age between what the Nick site says, and what the show says. While the Nick site lists her age as 15, the shows implies that her age is 17. In episode 305, "The Beach", Ty Lee does state that Mai was an only child for 15 years, which was when Tom Tom was born. However, in episode 203, "Return To Omashu" it's stated that Tom Tom is 2 years old. Obviously, if Mai was 15 when Tom Tom was born, and Tom Tom is now 2 that would make her 17. Now, I don't know if the writers simply forgot that Tom Tom was 2 when they wrote the Beach, or if they decided to slightly increase Mai's age when they were writing season 3. Ktulu84 (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

In episodes "Nightmares and Daydreams" [Book 3; Chapter 9], "The Day of Black Sun Part 1: The Invasion" [Book 3; Chapter 10], "The Ember Island Players" [Book 3; Chapter 17], and "Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang" [Book 3; Chapter 21]... it clearly shows that Aang and Katara have a romantical relationship. I think this should be included in their descriptions under the Character section of the article. Many other episodes also show some hint of their relationship and I believe that it is something worth noting and having under their description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.81.31 (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

There are more than that. But these are supposed to be brief. we don't need to add stuff like that. Rau's Speak Page 02:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sozin's Comet article

I would like to propose the creation of an article for the finale. I already know of a Toon Zone review, and I am certain that both IGN and AnimationInsider will have them. I also noticed a Native American culture reference in the Giant Turtle with the earth on it's back. I'm certain that there are more culture references. Rau's Speak Page 02:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

There are articles for each episode. If there is not currently an article for the various episodes of the finale (parts 1-4 individually), then you could begin it, following the same format as the other episode articles. Lore aura (talk) 03:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

There are no articles for each episode. They were deleted a while back. However, I agree that Sozin's Comet has the notability to pass an AfD. Do it, and I will help after I get some sleep. --haha169 (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

This shows how long it has been since I have last been editing in this section, but I agree. Even if there are no articles for individual episodes anymore, if you feel that the descriptions in the Avatar Season 3 episodes section is not adequate (although it looks to cover all of the important points already), then you could try creating an article for Sozin's Comet. Lore aura (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll start it once more reviews are released from sources like IGN. (The only one so far is from Toonzone or something like that.) I'll also like viewership counts, etc, as well as production. If we can produce a compilation of links right now, it would be very helpful. The article can be started in about...3 days or so, if the correct info is released. :) --haha169 (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

That's why I hadn't started it today. People might just redirect it. Rau's Speak Page 23:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

White Lotus

Under Iroh's description on the Avatar main page, the White Lotus is described as being made up of benders. However, they are not all benders as shown by Sokka's master. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M9jorodb (talk • contribs) 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

And why are you telling us this? Go to Avatar Wikia and tell them that...Wikipedia doesn't control Wikia affairs. --haha169 (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Future faux pas?

"Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko have also confirmed that a new series of Avatar, focusing on another incarnation of the character, is in the process of being made."

I checked the linked section and there is a disclaimer that thee will NOT be a season 4 as also shown from the "The End" in the final episode.

The website states: "Newsarama Note: The original article stated that there were three more seasons of of Avatar coming. According to Nickelodeon, that is not the case as of this time. We regret the error."

Did I miss something about a new series in that linked reference, or is it talking about the movies?

shadzar-talk 06:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. Those are two completely different things. What the article says and what DiMartino says in the interview is that they hope to give us more from the Avatar universe, not a 4th season. How is "a new series" and "a 4th season" even remotely the same thing? The corrected notion from the interview, as is reflected in this article, is that another Avatar series may be created - it just won't be about Aang, the Last Airbender. Malumultimus (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You mean a spin-off. --haha169 (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually more like mini episodes starting in the Spring of 2009. :D Here's a link that I found. [[3]] It appears to be an actual flyer from Viacom. I just hope that this isn't a joke flyer that someone photoshopped. You'll have to zoom in at 200% to read it clearly, but it states this news at the bottom.--Freespirit1981 (talk) 01:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

You can read it clearly at 100. But with out any plot details, I think we should only mention it. Not go into much detail. Rau's Speak Page 02:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I also found this: [4]. It says that while there won't be a Book 4, there will be three hour long movies after the series AND the live action movies. :) --Freespirit1981 (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

IMDB still isn't reliable. Rau's Speak Page 02:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. :) We won't use that "source" then. BTW, there will be an Avatar panel at this year's San Diego Comic Con. Maybe we can get some answers about the flyer there. Maybe a video of the panel will help---IF they allow taping this time. --Freespirit1981 (talk) 02:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I KNOW!!! I hope they clear up a few things. I mean geez, it's like they don't know what a hard time they give us... Rau's Speak Page 02:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Avatar is such a great show - but they feel like they have the right to wait HALF-a YEAR to give us new episodes. Such quality material...but they like delaying a lot...and making us (fans) wait... --haha169 (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't mean any of that. That is not what a new series means, and "new incarnation of the character" means "an Avatar that isn't Aang." You see, what we saw was not "Avatar"...but an Avatar series. What we saw was "The Last Airbender", the legend of Aang. According to what the creators have said, they hope to produce another series based on the legend of (presumably) another Avatar. This is what "more from the Avatar universe" implies, in my opinion. Not a movie; not a mini-series; not a fourth season... Frankly, I'm shocked to see I'm the only one to read it that way. I'm fairly certain, in the past, the creators said this exact same thing, but I could be confusing it with something else. Malumultimus (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this had something to do with my reasoning: the interview An Avatar Spring Break with Mike and Bryan from April 6, 2007 (http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/interviews.php?id=18). In the first part of the interview, Michael Dante DiMartino says, "We love the avatar universe so we want to keep telling stories in it if we have the outlet for it. We're just not interested in watering this storyline down, or filling it...keeping it dragging on. We try to make it as potent as we can. That's our big priority. Still, we'll do some other things. (laughter) We're not retiring." Malumultimus (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what a spin-off is. A show that is based on elements of another. Whether this involves a new Avatar, and old one, or none at all remains to be seen. Rau's Speak Page 16:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, though, it is not -- there is no "split" from the original series. Is Final Fantasy XII a spin-off of Final Fantasy Tactics? A different game based on a different story of the same world. I'd think some other element (such as, characters) needs to be shaved off and capitalized on for it to be a spin-off. From what they said...this is just another legend. If they had had the foresight, I imagine this one could've come first, before The Last Airbender. Would it be a spin-off then? I do not believe a spin-off can go both ways... Frasier couldn't have come before Cheers, unbelievably minimalizing the main character's role with the other 98% of the series being completely unheard of. Malumultimus (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Aang and Katara's Relationship

In episodes "The Day of Black Sun Part 1: The Invasion" and "Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang" it clearly shows Aang and Katara's romantic relationship. I think that Aang and Katara's relationship should be added in the character section in the article under their descriptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.81.31 (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Give an example of this being used in any other character bios on Wikipedia. Yes, they have a relationship, but it accounts for perhaps 0.2% of the series, and 1% of the episodes you've mentioned. --haha169 (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

We've got a problem with multiple IP's re-adding the fancruft about the kiss to both Aang and Katara's individual articles. I urge other editors to monitor these pages so we can nip this thing in the bud. I've already warned a couple of anon's, but more warnings are due. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Your logic is riddled with failure. Many fictional characters have a section dedicated to their relationships - be they family, friends, enemies, or significant others. They are included because of their affect on that person's characterization and also because many fans consider these things to be an important piece of knowledge to know. If these pages are meant to be an encyclopedia of all things Avatar, I see no reason to forbid mention of canon and fact because you deem it irrelevant for some reason. In fact, if we want to get super-technical, Aang's relationship with Katara is critical to the ending of season 2 itself. Long story short: this personal vendetta you have against this and the other characters' pages really ought to stop and is borderline abuse. --Cheeseswan (talk) 20:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way a big, flashy text box with the words "ZUTARA FAILED. GET OVER IT." can be placed on the Avatar page? 72.199.173.76 (talk) 03:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

More relationship fancruft

I just removed relationship crap from Mai, Zuko, and Sokka's pages as well. These pages need to be watched also. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 05:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Finale Statistics

Here are some statistics from the finale/the week of the finale. This should be incorporated into the Response/Ratings section. Also, in the lead, the following sentence needs to be changed for the finale statistics:

"Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.23.231.183 (talk) 05:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That is a useful link to hold on to when the Sozin's Comet article is created, per discussion above. --haha169 (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. Rau's Speak Page 21:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's another one, and it is an amazing review. Must read. --haha169 (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

And another. --haha169 (talk) 01:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we've pretty much got all the info that's needed for an episode. Let me look at FA episode articles and get back to that. --haha169 (talk) 01:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

We've got the plot (no sources needed), we've got reception, and we've got some minor cultural references if we can find cites. Now...we need production. Anybody? --haha169 (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Btw, this is the original to the link provided by the IP above, and this is a whole new, awesome article! --haha169 (talk) 01:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm making a sandbox for the Sozin's Comet article here. Please do not create it if the link is still red, as I am probably working on it. If it is blue, please edit as much as you like - but no vandalism please. --haha169 (talk) 03:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Reception section

If possible, we should stick a table with viewers numbers into the reception section of the season article as well. Hewinsj (talk) 01:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That would be difficult to create. Two tables on one line is kinda hard. I don't even think its possible... --haha169 (talk) 03:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Haha169, I'm not sure what your talking about. Two tables on one line? We would just have to do one table in the reception section that describes viewership per episode. There's a similar table over at Bionic Woman. Not totally necessary as long as it's discussed in that season's reception section, I just have a preference for visually displaying information. Hewinsj (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, like that. I understand what you mean now - but that would require a creation of a "Reception" section, making those articles non-lists, and therefore harder to achieve Featured Standard. Plus, writing a reception section for this subject is kinda difficult. --haha169 (talk) 03:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not being more clear when I first mentioned it. The season article already has a reception section, which is (at the moment) a paragraph that talks about critical reaction. I did a quick check of two featured season lists and found that they both have a paragraph describing viewer numbers that analizes the number of viewers for important episodes or cases where viewership was exceptionally high or low along side critical response. A chart isn't standard, just my suggestion as a way to display some or all of the numbers along side a paragraph that discusses important cases.

Normally I would have started putting something together to show off, but I've got a personal obligation that's taking up most of my time. When I get a chance I'll see what sort of data I can collect. Hewinsj (talk) 14:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. I would love to get that article back to Featured status. We could go for WP:FT. --haha169 (talk) 16:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

MMOG

At the SDCC They said that there is going to be an MMOG for Avatar out in september. There is also a video on youtube about it. Shoul we add something here on it? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 20:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Please explain what SDCC and MMOG are for the less hip people who don't use acronyms. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 21:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

San Diego Comic-Con, Massive Multiplayer Online Game. Wow, look at all the ' marks.... Rau's Speak Page 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I've always wanted to go to the SDCC. Anyway, I don't think it's worth mentioning. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks like osmeone made a page about it already. It wasn't me! I just noticed it today. It is really messy and needs some work, if it should even exist that is. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 00:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What is the link for the page? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Avatar: Legends of the Arena Should probably be redirected to a section here. Rau's Speak Page 01:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Pai Sho

I was recently looking up some information on the game Pai Sho from the Avatar series; however, when I searched for it on Wikipedia, I found that the article redirected to the show's page - which has no information regarding the game whatsoever. Is there a reason this prominent game from the series is not mentioned, yet is provided a redirection? :/ -- 75.22.205.30 (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It is entirely fictional, created for the show. The redirect should probably be deleted. Rau's Speak Page 02:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Plot Synopsis

I noted that the Plot Synopsis had no detail at all about the individual seasons. I added one sentence summaries for each season, but that is certainly an area that needs major expansion. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 04:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)