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Thanks to eveyone who made the FA possible. I know it has been 1 and a half months, but we did it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Placebo Effect (talk • contribs).
Lol, yeah. It actually is pretty hard to tell. Who's going to put it for the main page now? Do we have a summary decided? -Dylan051303:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
It's like this heavy burden has been lifted. All the stress this page and it's attachments have caused... is only going to get worse. Damn. CURSE YOU VANDALS. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)06:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, the vandals aren't the stressful ones for me. *cough* Yeah, this should be easier now... Oh, and Pooldude has the name for episode 3 in season 3, XD. But he's doing another guessing game... -Dylan051313:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
This ok for the main page? I just took out The Legend of Aang in several countries.
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation. The series is written in the form of a book series, with each episode being a "chapter" and each individual season a "book."
Originally slated to begin airing November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show receives high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics,[1] garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing.[2](More...)
This article has recently been promoted to featured article status. It is a very interesting article for one of the more popular articles on Wikipedia. No specific date is requested. Dylan051313:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
A little longer, maybe using the next paragraph too. I would wait to nominate it though until we know when season 3 starts and try to get it up around then. The Placebo Effect13:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I made it longer. Wait, do we want refs in there or no? I agree that we should have it up for season 3. Maybe the premier date. If so we should nominate it when we know a date. -Dylan051313:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
wait, what is everyone happy about. What did we complete?
We are discussing about changing it because people might like it as the map of the story instead of a picture that says Avatar the Last Airbender —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach111493 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
I've said so many times it's late April or early may for season 3! And the main image doesn't look that great really small. -Dylan051319:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd use Aang's portrait for the image. The picture for Avatar on the main page should be the Avatar himself, which is far more interesting than the logo. I agree that the map is too small in thumbnail. --Herald Alberich21:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am back! I cannot believe it actually won the nomination (even though it was pretty likely). Anyway, as for the min page, I agree with Aang's portrait as the picture. However, references should not be included. In addition, the text should not just be a copy of the first paragraph or two. We should tweak it a bit to make it sound better for the main page. A minor edit I want to mention is that the first time the show is mentioned, it has to be a link, not just bolded, but that is minor. I cannot believe that a month ago I was nominating this article for Featured Article status and now we are talking about putting it on the main page! Parent5446(Murder me for my actions)21:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I changed the layout a little. How would this look:
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Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
Looks good to me. Now do we put it up ASAP, or try to get it on the date of the season 3 premier. Or maybe on February 21st for it's 2nd anniversary of the premier... -Dylan051322:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the February 21 idea. If we wait to nominate it until we find out when the Season 3 premier is, it might be too late to get it in on that date. --Herald Alberich23:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
2 things to fix on the summary you have. "long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends" to "long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends, Katara and Sokka" would probably we better. Also "garnering 4.4 million viewers on one of its best-rated showings." to "garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing." The season finale had the best ratings. -Dylan051301:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
It shouldn't be too late, they'll tell use a month in advance and articles aren't chosen that far ahead. I would like to wait until season 3 starts like they did for Lost. The Placebo Effect01:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the list for the month, they are only have the next three articles set up. If we request the date as soon as it comes, then we will almost certinly get to have that date. If we get it on the day of the episode then it will remind people to watch it as they see in the article that the third season starts the day they are reading it. The Placebo Effect01:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
First for the 4.4 million thing: yeah, it should say best rated, that's detailed in the source cited. As for the date: I don't mind either way, really. The only possible problem I see with waiting is, its hard to say if we'll have a solid date (as opposed to timeframe) for the premiere far enough ahead of time to get the date. They normally do it farther than it is now, I think. Feb 21 would be good, but I've got no strong opinions either way. Heck, do it on my birthday, that'd be a neat present (kidding).--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)01:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, we'll at least get a date two weeks ahead from TvGuide and Nick. Oh, but if we put it up for the premier, would it be the day before to raise hype or the day after when most people look? I think it's 8:00 EST when it changes so it works out perfectly. -Dylan051301:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) You would do it the day of. For the East Coast, it is still the 15th when the 16th starts. Just trust me, it works out in my head. The Placebo Effect02:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, the "they" who handle the featured articles is one guy, User:Raul654. Why don't we just ask him whether requesting the article two weeks ahead of time is soon enough? Oh, and I made the requested changes to the proposal above. --Herald Alberich04:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This was just posted in the article nominations and I took it off:¶
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends, Katara and Sokka, in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best rated showing, the second season finale. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.¶
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This article is a very interesting article. It just attained featured article status and meets the standards to be on the front page. A picture of the main character is perfect for the front page and the description is easy to follow. Anybody who sees this article is bound to be interested. 71.247.38.11902:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)¶
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I think it's not better than the last one. The only thing we have to do is tweak the last one some more and decide on a date. -Dylan051303:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I seriously missed a lot of stuff while at work. Anyway, I never really liked that image of Aang, is there any way we could blow up the opening title somehow, or atleast get a new picture for Aang before the time comes (considering we might be getting a new one for Katara and Toph as well). Also as per the date, I say it doesn't matter. The Fed 21st is a neat idea. I would NOT include this to go up on the day of the new episode, the reason being is that, well, you all remember the crap that happened with the Finale aired. Do we really want all the people coming here from the front page to see a page that is getting a revert every minute? H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)07:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sometime before the new season starts would be good for this to be on the main page, because do we really want Manticore to go "z0mg WP:OWN!" on us because we're just removing the bull from the articl? (I'm so going to be attacked.) By the way, this page needs an archive. --Whydoit (Why...do it?)08:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
So the 21st it is? I'll be on a look out for a better picture in my itunes. The logo not being there would be great. -Dylan051311:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I still believe that the best date is on the premire of season three. The page would still be vandalized on that day anyway, so combining both days into one measn one less day to worry about vandalisim. And if I remember right, it was vandalized more after the episode not before. And I beleive the logo is proboubly the best image to show. It as least better than the picture of Aang. The Placebo Effect13:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, I'll take the vandals on my own! XD, popups rock. For the dates, The premier date would help the show, but it's probably not until May. February, 21st is sooner, but not much other significance other than the 2 year anniversary. Oh, BTW, I'll see if I can get pooldude to tell his contact that when it'll be on the main page so people at avatar can see! =) For the picture, the logo or Aang? Lrt's try to come to a consensus. -Dylan051320:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do Agree, although the trailer for the next season should be released soon so that way we can fix up some things ahead of time. The date for season 3 seems very likely. Well done. -User:AvatarDude360
Dylan and I mentioned it on Pooldude's site to see what other fans opinions are about this. I still hold strong to my belief that we should wait till the season three premiere. The Placebo Effect03:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) I meant as a basis to see what other people think. Clearly their is no way to reach a consensus on this. It is on one day or the other. The Placebo Effect05:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Omg, the poll is even. Has it been liked to yet? [1] I think pooldude just said he's hearing fall as the new time frame for season 3 so we'll have to see. If that's the case, I'm sure we can get Zuko up by then and have it featured on the premier and just have the main article on the anniversary. -Dylan051311:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Pooldude says Nick may hold off on avatar season 3 until the fall so it doesn't interrupt their summer programing. If this is the case we can probably have Zuko up by then. So once we get confirmation, the 21st looks to be the date. -Dylan051321:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
It looks like we have a date. The poll at Donbufeng and the possibility of a fall season 3 premier date strongly point at February 21st. -Dylan051321:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I would advise for you to please stop deleting my comments. It dissapoints me that u guys cant handle an arguement or atleast a conversation. Spring is the correct date. But its not an exact one. -User:AvatarDude360
Looks to me like your comments keep getting deleted because we have no idea what you're talking about. You keep quoting unspecified interviews and opinions from random people on YouTube and such to back up your claim for the start of Season 3, but we can't trust those sources. Give us a link to a reliable source. Also, the true point of this discussion is to decide what date to request the article be featured on the Main Page. Opinion, as well as the lack of a firm date for the release of Season 3, points to February 21, the second anneversary of the series premiere. For what it's worth, I understand that you mean well and are trying to help, but we just can't give any weight to unverified claims. --Herald Alberich22:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand and thank you. I am just giving possible dates to its premier from sources that i looked up. Upbasis isnt enouph either. But march 2, febuary 21, fall, i mean which one is right? I am just desperate to know the truth of it all.-User:AvatarDude360
Just to be clear, February 21 is not one of the possible dates for the Season 3 premiere. It is the anneversary of the series premiere - The Boy in the Iceberg first aired February 21, 2005, which is why we want the article on the main page on that date. Also, to prevent HagermanBot from adding that unsigned notice to all your posts, add four tildes (~~~~) to the end of your message to sign it. --Herald Alberich23:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, seriously guys. Let's get this show on the road. Questions to answer:
1) Is February 21st our date? I think it is our best option. Back by poll results at donbufeng and an uncertain season 3 premier date.
Yeah, I don't know what happened. It doesn't really matter anymore, if season 3 is in the fall, we can get Zuko featured by then. -Dylan051301:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2) What is our picture for the wikipedia main page: Aang, the logo, the one I just got of Aang with his back to the screen, or something else. I think our best choice is the one of Aang with is back to the screen for now. But I think we can do better.
Out of those three images, I'd go with the logo. The shot of Aang's back just...doesn't look good. At all. New people will look at that and go "What the heck?" The logo may not be as flashy, but it pertains better to the article. I keep thinking the ideal image would be a stylish, dramatic shot of Aang, but from the front. And not the one where he's got his goofy grin, either. For now, the logo looks like the best option to me. Y BCZ06:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point about identification. No one would know what the new pic was. I guess the logo is our best choice for now, but again, I don't think any of them are that great. -Dylan051313:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
3) Any more improvements on the summary? I think it is too detailed mentioning "originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004" and "six-inch (15.34 cm) scale." They should be taken out.
Here is the most recent summary:
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Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
6-11 was Avatar's original age demographic. It has increased greatly since the first season and has countless fans outside the demographic. -Dylan051302:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2nd one's definitely closer up, XD. After struggling with this and watching the same scene on itunes for half an hour, all the details are pretty apparent. -Dylan051301:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, so is this better than what we have now? Or may another image be better than this? -Dylan0513
It's good, but I don't know where it would be used. Would it replace the picture with the Avatar logo thing on it? It might fit well on Aang's page somewhere. Maybe. Bagpipeturtle02:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Man I don't know what I'm suggesting, I just hate that current picture of Aang. I also think that if we are trying to get the characters up to FA as well, we shouldn't put any one character as part of the main page picture. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)02:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, for the main page, ok. I don't think the current article picture is that great either so is changing the main page and the article still in the discussion? -Dylan051302:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that makes more sense. I kind of like the logo as the main picture, but I suppose it would look good with that one too. Bagpipeturtle03:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
That certainly works better than the logo in thumbnail, for the Main Page synopsis. I think they'd work equally well at the top of the article. --Herald Alberich04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, so as Fyre has said, if we want one of these pics to be on the wiki main page when it's avatar's turn, then we need it to be in the article and it seems the main image is the only place. So do we change it for both or neither? -Dylan051321:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Kuzon
The creators mentioned that Kuzon, Aang's old friend from the Fire Nation, was going to play an important role in the future. It is possible that he is the person that will teach Aang firebending. - Robert25
Yes, that is (slightly) possible. But we can't really put that in any articles unless it accually happens. And Kuzon would be, like, really old. As old as Bumi (and we all know how insane he is). As I said before, speculation until proven otherwise. Bagpipeturtle03:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't know where that's coming from, but from the little video thing which I'm assuming we're both sourcing from they stated that he'd briefly be mentioned at most (like in the midst of a conversation). I'd really like to know where all this important role stuff is coming from, or if its just another "Who will Aang's firebending teacher" thing. ~71.163.208.92 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Roku told Jeong Jeong that he will teach Aang so its most likely that he will teach Aang firebending. -Iroh18
Katara's picture
I believe that this should be the new main picture for Katara's page. -Robert25
Italic textwheve only seen 3 but in the north west corner of the world theres air nation plus the northern air temple is in the north earth kingdom's mountain range so the eastern air temple is s.e. of BA SING SE. all info from seasons 1 and part of 2 thanks for reading
"oh and tylee is part air nomad!"
What??? Tylee is Fire Nation. As for the temples, the map shows four: one near the South Pole (where Aang found Gyatso), one near Ba Sing Se (where Aang met Guru Pathik), one near the North Pole (where The Mechanist and Teo live), and one near the Fire Nation which the creators said would be seen, where female Air Nomads were trained). Kochdude38820:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
theres definitely four. north and south are boys and east and west are girls. does it say otherwise in the article? --skuj
the text
the text above the title translates: The Divine Medium who had descended upon the Mortal World.
http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Last-Airbender-Complete-Collection/dp/fun-facts/B000FZETI4/ref=imdbdpsl_ak_1/102-0426027-1411361#keywords
Look at the triva 74.234.57.4315:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
But what would we put in it? Everything we know about the movie is already in the main article. "On January 8, 2007, Paramount Pictures' MTV Films and Nick Movies announced that it has signed on M. Night Shyamalan to write, direct and produce a trilogy of live action films based on the series" is the entirety of meaningful text we could include, with maybe a mention about the naming controversy. And that's another mess; with both Paramount and Fox having movies named Avatar, we don't even know what to call the movie page yet. Certainly it will get an article eventually, but I think we need more info first. --Herald Alberich19:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. We should make an article only when we have some real content for it. For now, the section on this article is all the treatment it needs.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)21:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Should we add "ships" to the article? like say "the most common relationships are aang and katara (kataang), zuko and katara(zutara), etc..." i'm sure some people would like to read about that. (i'm personally obsessed with it lol)
Eskimopie13103:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)proud zutarian
No, no, no, no, no, and no. Not only would that almost all have to be original research, but it's speculation and very objective. Wikipedia is not the place for that kind of thing. Y BCZ03:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the only time we can add "ships" is for cannon couples in the characters pages under relationships, like Sokka and Suki. -Dylan051311:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would say you can only add a relationship if there is an explicit reliable source for it. For example, if there's a TV Guide or Nickelodeon magazine article on Avatar that mentions the various romances, then adding the content would be quite acceptable. Or something fairly overt, like Nick setting up a "Zukolovesmomo.com" website. You may also wish to look at shipping or Slash fiction for examples. In general though, considering how this subject seems to interest you, perhaps you might wish to try an Avatar fansite instead? FrozenPurpleCube16:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually they have various times. First of all, they even named that new chibi short the "schooltime shipping", and in a Nick mag article they talked all about the "ships" and how they're called Kataang, Zutara, etc... (it was the article that also featured the fanart You Know You're An Avatar When.. I think that was the all-avatar issue) If you need a reference for the fans' oppions, go here, hahaha http://airbender.net/fun/ship.php75.68.77.20715:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, most of the fanbase believes in Zuko and Katara because many people know that fire and water balance each other out, it's a yinyang deal. In fact, if you ask someone what balances water, they would say fire. Oh yeah remember what that fat guy said about the visions in the swamp The visions in the swamp were of "People they loved, People they lost." and Aang saw Toph. I smell a new romance between those two. Also, I wrote to Mike and Bryan about what they wrote in that episode to remind them. Another thing water and air don't mix.
Wikipedia is not a fan site, we don't put things in to make fans happy.
We CERTAINLY don't put in Zutara crap because the show has never once even put out that idea.
Everything you wrote is speculation and therefore it does not belong in Wikipedia at all.
You wrote to Mike and Bryan? Really? Because we've been trying to get their e-mails for months now. I'd like to know how you got their e-mails when our digging for almost a year hasn't delivered anything.
Lol, and elements have everything to do with it.. yesh. And if you want proof from the creators, when asked about Zutara in some segment thing they directed it towards Momo and Appa. Oh, and people, can we please discuss the avatar for article of the day above. -Dylan051320:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Long story short, if you can find an article in a newspaper or on a website that isn't fan submitted, then you can add it to the article. The Placebo Effect20:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Why should I tell you? I'm not a Kataang fan, and you would probably tell them to make it be Kataang. I'm not saying a goddamn word about it. Down with Kataang! Long live Stalin and Zutara —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.176.109.182 (talk) 20:44, 8 February 2007
It might be possible to write a shipping article that could be added as an addition to the Avatar article, especially since the creators discuss the topic during one of the comic cons and in an animated short. However, the facts of the matter is that the Shipping article would have to be more secure than Fort Knox since there are any number of insane fans that would change the neutrality of the article to favour their favourite relationships. It would take respected editors and writers for the linked Avatar sites to even make it possible, but limits given by the masters of Wiki. Just my opinion.
HVulpes15:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)HVulpes
I'll warn everyone right now, if you add a shipping article based on Avatar, this entire Wikiproject will fight you tooth and nail to get it deleted. Shipping is fancruft supported by baseless assumptions and person opinions of deluted individuals. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)15:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Avatar Escape
Hmmm... what should we do with this? It's worth mentioning but definitely not worth its own page... especially not like that. At best, I think this warrants a phrase in the Media page. Definitely not a whole sentence. Sage of Ice07:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, there's quite a bit more to it, [Press Release]. And yet, to quote another fan, "They're going to put all the ships together and go "HEY, this is for our fans!" I mean yeah pretty much for all those dudes and/shippers who need somethin to get them through a couple more weeks. Eh. ~71.163.63.29 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently saw a commercial for avatar escape which mentioned an online comic. Are the comic's contents acceptable on wikipedia or should I delete any articles regarding it on sight?Sgt. Hydra04:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I would not object to content regarding the online comic, as it is something produced by Nick, and presumably official content for the show. Thus you'll have to make any decision based on the actual content, which could be either good or bad. FrozenPurpleCube15:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
While it's official content, it should be noted that it's probably not canonical. Just as the game and collectable cards contain information deemed separate from the events of the show. However, there should be some mention of it in the media information or somesuch. Y BCZ16:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Now, I won't say that the Avatar Escape(AE) video comics are canon, but I will say that there is a difference between its canonicity and that of the card game or video game. Essentially, the AE video comics are produced directly by Nick and are presented directly by Nick. They would be as canonical as the information on the main site, which is a conflicting issue already.
Notice how I mention only the video comics. That's because they provide backstory to the other Avatars and don't effect the continuity of the show. The game part of AE, even the Yue part, are dubious in their alignment with the show, however, as it directly involves Aang. But the Avatar backstories in the video comics seem to me like they are worthwhile pieces of information that wouldn't have just been tossed there without consultation with the creators.
It should go without saying, however, that if information from the video comics is to be presented in a character article page, direct reference to AE needs to be made so as to make it obvious that its canonicity might be in question. As we have done with every piece of info that has come from the official site.Sage of Ice04:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
All im saying is that some of considering this as a prequel to season 3 and i think its deserves a better spot then media information. Im actually thinking at least a mention in the main article (if its there already sorry)71.57.40.10707:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is the main problem, we don't know how these comics affect canon if they do at all. Some of the information contadicts the Avatar Magazine put out recently, mostly the spelling of Hei-Bai. Let's wait a bit, see if the information correlates with the show (like a mention or something that is the same verbatim, like if Aang wakes up in season 3 and says "Kyoshi formed the Dai Li"). Once we know what we're looking at, then we'll add more information. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)14:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with everything you said but I still think we need to find a better place then media information, but if everyone is in agreement, then we'll just hold on.Rosario lopez04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Music
The music in Avatar is probably some of the best on Nickelodeon since the older shows like Invader Zim. Would it be possible to get a section in the article about the music, and also mention .com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?avatarST&1 this petition?
Certainly, if you can find some documentation on the music, whether it be an article, something on the DVD, or whatever other reliable sources you can find. FrozenPurpleCube23:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, the music can only be heard on the composers' myspace accounts: [4] and [5]. The team has said that Nick might release a soundtrack if they get enough emails, so if that happens, be prepared to put up the info. Y BCZ05:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know What the theme is when they do the previously on avatar thing. And you can find plenty of music for avatar on www.avatarspirit.net. great site by the way, just dosnt have the song i just mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.36.18.11 (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
I watch Avatar on YTV in Canada and during one of the reruns of season one on Wednesdays I could swear that the last Airbender had been replace with this subtitle. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this, has it changed in the us as well and what could this mean for the series. Could this be linked with the upcomming move as well. HVulpes
Oh, don't you start that again...Look, this is addressed on the FIRST TOPIC ON THIS PAGE. We've already reached a consensus. Y BCZ04:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry i did not RELIZE I JUST noticed that it was weerd so i sed this
Front Page
Take a look at this and tell me what you think on my reply page which should me on the top menu bar on my sandbox preview page.
even though it is in the article b4 this just they only did one part, but i just did the entire thing and also i got rid of the part about the disambugation but if you actually do this then leave the disambugation on of course. please do not remove it. also, if you leave a comment on here if it is not to hard then can you write it on my avatar reply page...thanx
No polls, and we don't admin to change it. It's not being changed anyway. Most of what you've changed has been discussed already so no. -Dylan051321:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
4 your info. i did not start it i only agreed. also i know it was already discussed but i was giving an idea of what it would look like when it is the entire page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach111493 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
...Why would we change the whole page if we've agreed to not change individual parts of it? -Dylan0513
I am not saying to change the whole page i am saying that if we would change it and only IF we change it then this is the basic idea of what it would look like but it would reallly only be changing the picture From Zach111493my talkmy contributions22:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Why would you make a new page for it then? And there's a main picture discussion already. I'm moving this to the bottom. It's out of order. -Dylan051323:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Archive
Can we archive some stuff from this page it is getting too long and my computer cannot handle it. If we do we can just get rid of some stuff from really long ago and put it into a webpage called Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/archive69.248.178.147
Yeah, I don't know what happened. It doesn't really matter anymore, if season 3 is in the fall, we can get Zuko featured by then. -Dylan051301:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2) What is our picture for the wikipedia main page: Aang, the logo, the one I just got of Aang with his back to the screen, or something else. I think our best choice is the one of Aang with is back to the screen for now. But I think we can do better.
Out of those three images, I'd go with the logo. The shot of Aang's back just...doesn't look good. At all. New people will look at that and go "What the heck?" The logo may not be as flashy, but it pertains better to the article. I keep thinking the ideal image would be a stylish, dramatic shot of Aang, but from the front. And not the one where he's got his goofy grin, either. For now, the logo looks like the best option to me. Y BCZ06:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point about identification. No one would know what the new pic was. I guess the logo is our best choice for now, but again, I don't think any of them are that great. -Dylan051313:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Definitely, the logo. We're not going to find a better image of Aang in time and his current one makes the article look too 'childish.' The back head shot looks ugly and personally I think the logo would be best suited for the article itself, as it a headliner for Avatar. And the fact that it is slightly catchy and flashy...or at least more than the other two. The logo is by far the way to go. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.)01:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
3) Any more improvements on the summary? I think it is too detailed mentioning "originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004" and "six-inch (15.34 cm) scale." They should be taken out.
Personally, the only real 'detail' would be about the six-inch (15.34) information and additions could include a link to the lego sets and you add something like 'and his pets Appa and Momo' near the info about Aang and the gang. Those additions aren't needed; merely possible suggestions. But the 'six-inch (15.34)' info really should go. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.)23:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but I'm not sure how that would be phrased into the summary. I made edits to the summary (The ones stated by the bolded topic and I took out "6-11 year old"), BTW. -Dylan051300:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I was about to say the same thing. Come to think of it, Zuko's more important than his father, too; perhaps we could replace "an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai" with something like "while evading capture at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko." The problem there, of course, is that a phrase like that only covers the first season. --Herald Alberich00:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. If we're going to go into the plot, we'll need like 2 or 3 sentences to do so. It's hard with Avatar's second season, there's no rehttp://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_headline.png
Perhaps "at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko and Princess Azula"? Like Toph's mention, that doesn't differentiate between seasons, just establishes that they're both chasing the good guys. That also gives every main character except Iroh a mention. --Herald Alberich01:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, so like ""while evading capture at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko, his mentor and Uncle Iroh, and Princess Azula."? But that doesn't portray the story very well... hmm.... -Dylan051301:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying Iroh needs mentioning, just that everyone else is mentioned, as a bonus for including Zuko and Azula in a season-inspecific way. --Herald Alberich01:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(Unindent) He does. But if we're going to list stuffed animals by Paramount Parks, we need two or three lines about the plot. Some thing like:
"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Banished Prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko and his Uncle Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051301:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
I think its perfect. Maybe some of the prose could be improved, like combining some sentences. Otherwise, it is perfect. Sorry I have not been here in a while. I was trying to help the Aang article become GA. --Parent5446(Murder me for my actions)01:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
C'mon guys, we gotta get moving! Are we going with my line?:"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Banished Prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko and his Uncle Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051301:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
For the first time and pretty much the title of the section though? And my fault with the princess thing, I meant to do the opposite. Ok so now we have:
"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. The banished prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko, and his uncle, Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051312:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Which gives us:
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Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. The banished prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko, and his uncle, Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2. Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes DVD sets of the show's episodes, action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and Lego sets.
Unless anyone has any major objections in the next 24 hours, I think we should nominate it tomorrow. We're running out of time for our February 21 target. --Herald Alberich20:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. It's looking good and I can tell you that the people at Avatar will be notified when it'll be up on the main page. -Dylan051322:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to say "Congrats" guys - well done! I've been watching this article improve over the last several months, and I'm pleased to see an article that's almost as good as the show itself. --Snicker|¥°€|20:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Assuming we can get that. If the problem here was short notice, we may well run into the same problem again, seeing as, at this point, all we really have is a vague timeframe.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)21:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and right now it looks like September. I really don't want to have to go through this more 6+ more months. -Dylan051323:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah right. I can't stay away from something that'll be this big for Avatar. Are we sure Raul saw the comment on his talk page? He hasn't responded yet. -Dylan051300:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
He's proboubly seen it. He doesn't awnser all questions on his talk page. He's mentioned before that he doesn't like having two simmilar articles(i.e. animated shows) as AOTD back to back. Someone asked if all six star wars movies could be in a row but Raul said he likes to mix things up. The Placebo Effect00:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
YES! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The page is here [6] FYI. Yeah, great job everyone! I'll make sure the creators or at least people very high up get notified! -Dylan051321:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm starting to have my doubts about the Zuko article now. It might be easier to get the Aang or Katara article's featured. -Dylan051302:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I prefer Raul's summary anyway. It's more succinct and spoiler-free. Make sure to take screenshots of February 21st everyone, you'll want that moment to last forever. Sage of Ice05:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this is going to be awesome. And what's amazing is how quickly we got it featured and then on the main page. It shows how well we really work together despite our differences. -Dylan051312:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The replacement actor for iroh had been recealed for the third season. I just hope its what its worth. It may never be the same. I doubt you consider putting this in the main page or any other article but just an update to inform you. His name is Greg Baldwin. -User:AvatarDude360
I wanted to have a separate discussion going for this, as I know that there will be a lot of conflict and debate, so it's best to start on a clean slate.
We can't ignore the Avatar Escape video comics any more. I know that plenty of you wish to entirely dismiss it since it is associated with a Nick game, but those of you are going to need to open your minds a bit.
Currently available from the "Download Podcast" option after entering the code and skipping the "Watch Comic Book" option, the video comics for Avatars Roku, Kyoshi, and Kuruk are all up for viewing. If you haven't seen them yet, I suggest you go take a look.
Essentially, while you may feel that the information in Roku's video comic is overlookable and not worth mentioning, the comics for Kyoshi and Kuruk can't be shrugged off the same way.
spoilers ahead*
Kyoshi's is especially notable for the wealth of extra information it provided. It clarified the odd time discrepancy between Roku and Kyoshi being born ca. 100 and ca. 300 years before Aang, respectively. It gave historical insight on Earth Kingdom government and, most surprisingly, it explained the origins of the Dai Li. All the while giving the character of Kyoshi more depth.
Kuruk's gives us information on him, Avatar Kuruk, someone we knew absolutely nothing about. It gives us a glimpse of how the female Airbenders dressed and shaved (their heads). It gives more cultural insight into the Water Tribes. It tells us which Avatar tried to kill Koh, and it gives more insight into the character of Koh himself and his possible role as a Spirit.
end of spoilers*
All this stuff can't just be non-canon, especially considering how it came straight from Nick, just like the info on the official site does. We seem to have no issue taking stuff from the Nick site as canon, so these Avatar backstories should be no different.
There is just too much useful information in these comics for them to be shrugged off by the skeptical crowd.
Given how much they expand on the show, there is no way that these video comics were created without the consent and verification of the creators. As such, I think we should start including this information onto their respective pages. Of course, they need to be directly referenced to Avatar Escape, just like anything else that isn't divulged by the series directly but through other methods (like DVD extras and con panels). Sage of Ice08:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
As long as it doesn't contradict anything on the show (and so far it hasn't), I see no problem adding info from it to the respective pages. Seems as trustworthy as the official site. - Joshua36813:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I actually don’t see a problem with it. I’ve always kinda seen the show for various reasons as kinda a cartoon version of Lost and with this, eh its considerably obvious that the creators are making it up as they go along. Nonetheless, the information is intriguing and correlates well with what’s already been given, much like the Lost Scrolls. Though atypical, this was a pretty interesting method of expanding their universe and I’m glad they made sure that almost everything fit, something that most nicktoon shows wouldn’t hinge on.
The problem arose when all these people were so quick to add stuff prior to discussion or a reasonable amount of information. Does a person who we’ve only seen for about four seconds and know absolutely nothing about other than his/her name honestly constitute as notable? Why not just wait a little while longer for some actual discussion regarding the topic and more stuff to be handed our way. And here it is. All in all, now that we actually have something to go on, I fail to see why it shouldn’t be utilized. ~71.163.70.100 9 February 2007 (UTC)
American animated television show
This sentence always annoyed me. Avatar is made in Korea, influenced by Asia, and shown around the world but written by Americans. How do we justify this as an American animated show when it isn't animated in America? H2P16:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Easily, the show's production team is in America, the creative origins are in America, and the details of animation are just a production issue that hasn't mattered for any of the dozens of shows that are animated in overseas studios. Certainly the show is made in Korea, and that should be mentioned, and so should the influences, but it's the creative team that defines it. It's no different for Avatar than it is for Batman: The Animated Series or any of the dozens of Cartoon Network shows that are animated elsewhere. FrozenPurpleCube18:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll be a bit more technical.
Copyright. It's entirely owned by an American corporation: Nickelodeon. Where the ownership resides, is where we justify it's place of origin. You can have a burger made in Brazil from a McDonald's in Brazil with ingredients taken only from Brazil, and you may even eat that burger in Brazil, but the McDonald's is still American. It may be made in Brazil, but it's not Brazilian, since that isn't where the ownership resides. Same thing for Nike and sweatshops.
Your problem might be the wording itself when we say "American animated". Don't confuse that with "American-animated", which means it was animated in America. It's an "American-owned animated television show", we just drop the "owned" as per convention. Hope this helped. Sage of Ice18:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Suki dead?
Two edits by an anonymous user might need editing - I'll leave it to someone a little more glued to it. Suki hasn't officially been determined to be dead, has she? In true Avatar fashion, we will most likely find that she and the other warriors were captured, but I don't think we saw any actual death occur.
Also, didn't the note about Toph's metal-bending get removed as too much of a spoiler? --Snicker|¥°€|14:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the fates of both Suki and Jet are still up in the air. Any information of them dying on these pages is just speculation and should be removed. - Joshua36815:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I did so. Spoilers aside, Toph has so far demonstrated metalbending in one episode, and the character summaries are supposed to provide general info, not specific events. --Herald Alberich16:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Suki is missing (presumed dead) and Jet is likely dead - or at least severely, severely injured, since Toph said he was "lying" about being fine. RunedChozo19:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Presumed dead is way to much of a stretch for Suki, we haven't even seen the circumstances of her capture. Jet, at least, was horribly brutalized by a slab of rock, and he's still not definitely deceased (Although I, personally, believe he is). All we know about Suki is that Ty Lee said she'd been defeated in battle. JBK40500:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Bending Metal
King Bumi was "unable" to bend metals - being stuffed into a metal box, he could only bend the earth outside because his head was exposed.
There are repeated mentions in Fire Nation dialogue about how their machines, especially the heavier ones, are "safe" from Earthbenders because the Earthbenders cannot "bend" metal.
The two Earthbenders who capture Toph certainly think that Earthbenders are incapable of Bending metal, because they cannot and they put her in a metal box.
The fact that Toph demonstrated this ability - figuring out how under great duress - and the fact that she is the ONLY bender, onscreen or in mention, to show this ability - is enough for it to be mentioned in her profile. Stop reverting this, it is not "speculation."RunedChozo20:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
HA HA HA. Given the amount of "spoilers" on the minor characters page, neglecting to mention an ability someone has that's better than the other Benders of her type isn't a "spoiler" at all. You just think you own this page, you sad, deluded jerk.. RunedChozo20:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll direct you to WP:NPA seeing as you want to throw about policy. Jerk is an offensive attack. The problem is, this page is an introduction the show. All the spoilers on the page are kept to mininmum levels, nothing that will directly kill a whole episode or do anything that makes watching the show pointless or less entertaining. Toph's metalbending is a huge spoiler to the point that it ruins all surprise during that episode. We've also discussed that, while not talked about, Toph being the only metal bender may not be true as we can't prove that others have not ever bended metal. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)20:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Look at your edits and you'll realize he's right. Just because this page is the hightilght of your/our wikiproject doesn't mean you get to revert any edit from people not in the project. An OWN applies to groups too. The Placebo Effect20:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I still say that it should say that she can bend metal. This isn't a spoiler because it has already happened and has aired. It would be different if it never aired before and we were ruing the ending. I understand that it hasn't aired in some countries but overall it has aired.Rosario lopez04:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
A spoiler means, basically, giving away the ending. It doesn't matter if it's happened already or not, it's giving away the ending for someone who might not know it. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)05:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
As someone just coming across this page, I'd like to agree with those who would like to keep it off. Even disregarding the very pertinent issue of spoilers that should be avoided, I don't see as how this is sufficiently relevant to her character. All the other mini-bios for the main characters on this page focus on personality and background, without bothering to mention their special powers and abilities beyond such general wording as "impressive" or "immensely powerful". The specificity regarding her ability to "see" is understandably necessary, but I don't see her metalbending as being any more pertinent than the fact that only Azula has used blue fire or that only she and Uncle Iroh can bend lightning.--Dycedargж05:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid I agree with H2P that it should not be mentioned on THIS page. However, I disagree with the idea that it keeps being reverted. I reccomend to all editors that you read the talk page before making major changes to the article as this big spoiler should be considered as a major change.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.30.31 (talk • contribs)
Ok so I take back what I said, it does make sense to leave it off this page and I also agree that we all talk about things before we edit it (But most of us do this anyways)Rosario lopez03:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I second this. "Popular enough for an online petition?" Anything can have an online petition, it doesn't need to be popular, one person can start it. This sentence (ironically, the final one) mars this otherwise near-flawless article.--Gillespee02:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Meh, someone on a fansite pointed out to me, I personally thought it was worth mentioning. If I've really "marred" the article so (hah), I'm not married to it.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)04:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Please, let's not get snippy. That was not meant as a personal attack - I used the word "mar" to emphasize the difference between the quality of the article and the quality of that online petition. I do apologize for offending you. Since you didn't mind though, I've removed the sentence.--Gillespee23:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Protecting Today's Featured Article is discouraged; it sends a bad message if a new user sees "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit," tries to edit the first article he sees, and can't. The vandalism would have to get really, really bad before we get protection; as it is, the article's only protected from page moves right now. --Herald Alberich03:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was subject to several acts of vandalism early in the day of 20 February. I recommend that a sysop protect this page. Having pornographic vandalism linking directly to the main page could be very harmful.
Deepdesertfreman13:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
They're not jerks. You shouldn't be able to protect or semi-protect the article while it is still featured in coordinance with WP:NOPRO. This situation happened a couple of weeks ago with DNA. Maybe after the article gets of of the front page completely you can Semi-Protect. --Lyoko is Cool14:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
He's right, as I mentioned in the above section. And as the policy he links to points out, the article has improved a little already in its time on the Main Page, due to some copyedits. --Herald Alberich16:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to put some sort of warning message or ANYTHING to possibly prevent some vandalism. I just don't understand vandals, why purposfully add the word Penis 35 times into an article. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)14:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I accidentally clicked save page before I clicked Show Preview. Both copies must have meen saved.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyoko is Cool (talk • contribs)
Is this good or bad? XD And everyone should notice Avatar went from not ranked to 51 on the most popular articles for February, XD. -Dylan051300:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The characters don't go left and right anymore and the lines are gone. When did we decide on doing that or is it another vandalist change due to the main page? I liked the lines. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)17:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't call it a necessarily "vandalist" change. I imagine someone thought it looks more professional this way, and people were complaining about the lines in the FAC. I agree, though, that the old way looks better. --Herald Alberich18:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Im sorry I know your just pointing out things you think are wrong but to me everything you said is wrong. Im not sure about all the legal stuff but I would think that everyone who has worked on these pages would of checked this stuff out. The only thing I might agree with is the currently in the first sentence, it does make sense to change that. But to not have it has the featured artice because of a reason like that is not right.Rosario lopez20:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Stole my bit. ~Father's Wish II 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Fandom
Seeing how its gotten to be, I'm surprised at how little its mentioned of. Its even been referred to in article [8] I'm not saying we should start posting up links to fanart or fanfics (don't care for them), but some things should be made mentioned of.
Shipping
Considering its relationship with both the series and fandom definately needs made mention of. Not "Zomg! Katara and Aang should like totally get together. Kataanger 4ever!" Something like:
"One aspect of the series is the 'shipping' which has come to be one of the franchise's main foundations. This is best expressed by the last Comic Con panel, which included a hilarious slide segment dedicated to identifying each and every one, and then some. The most infamous ship is that of the 'Zutara' ship. As the portmanteau name implies, the ship involves the characters Zuko and Katara, and was first catalyzed by Zuko tying Katara to a try and attempting to bribe her with the necklace of her deceased mother in 'The Waterbending Scroll'. One way or another, it has grown to be one of the most recognizable ship, and also helping it was the fact that the two voice actors shared a parallel relationship on another show, 'American Dragon Jake Long'. Regardless of it origins, due to being known to regularly visits their fansites and forums, the creators are quite aware of the ship or at least seem to enjoy playing with it, as it has been mentioned in almost every interview/convention. Also evident is the fact that the very first commercial clip for the season two finale centered around informing viewers that the two were to be 'spending some unexpectesd time together'"
Now as a person who doesn't ship for any show, as it has a knack for getting in the way of the plot and true characterizations and this show's no different (Sokka's role in Lake Lagoi for example), I'm surprised their isn't even some little line like "For one reason or another, numerous fans have enjoyed pairing blank with blank ever since their interaction in the waterbending scroll in complete disregard of the natural intial unliklihood. Some are thoroughly convinced that the two will 'end up together' " somewhere in their trivia section.
Once again fanart and all that other crap shouldn't be put here but there are some who should be made mentioned of. Kimberly Miranda aka "Isaia", ...aka Aviaq's satirical take on the Avatar fandom has earned her mention in articles and recognition in the eyes of the staff.[9] (she was right on the money with that one) To go even further, recently the deviantart user "rufftoon" known best for lighthearted Avatar based strips, has been enducted as a storyboader for the series. Seriously [10]
Finally in terms of media. Avatar fanvids and online episodes have come to be quite common on youtube, even earning some "most viewed" honors, but are constantly deleted because of copyright issues. Though common for most youtube vids, problems arose with the Google Youtube deal and have reached a headway. In that tens of thousands of vids were once again removed, and due to Avatar's relations to Viacom, it was affected. [11] The staff once even expressed their sympathy and support for the production of the videos.
"We did remove the illegal episode broadcasts but the mashups are great. Everybody at Avatar loves them. I have also noticed that some of them have been removed. However it is not by us. Most likely it is the record companies pulling the content because of the music that is used.
Google is cracking down on a lot of this now that they have bought youtube.
We still encourage mashups and videos to the fullest."
Naturally all this crap doesn't have to go on the main page, could just have a link to its page, like with the media information. Come to think of it, fits well under the “franchise” category. Doesn't even have to all be crammed in one place like this, it just calls for some mentioning here and there, ya'know. Heart of series. More or less. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.250.190.116 (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
Actually, this stuff *might* belong on Wikipedia, if it could meet the appropriate standards of verifiability. See for example this Category:Science fiction fandom for many examples of this subject. That said, there could be some problems with the coverage. As such, I suggest working on the project in Userspace until it meets a certain level of quality. FrozenPurpleCube08:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
If you're going to quote content from AvatarSpirit.net, then please refer to us as the source. The above quote on the illegal episode / youtube issue is not from the show staff, it is from a conversation I had with Nick IP that ASN published on November 22, 2006. Here's the link to our November news archive, just scroll down to see the entry where we reported this feedback. http://www.avatarspiritmedia.net/news_archive.php?month=11&year=2006. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Acastus (talk • contribs) 19:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
I’ve been following this discussion for a little bit and I have something to say. I personally think fan art should have NO place on this article. I’ve noticed there is a correlation between Fan art and some of the crap anonymous users have been posting to various Avatar related articles. (FOR EXAPMLE) The independent comic strip “Avatarded” lists/illustrates a series of silly obsessions belonging to avatar fans and numbers each of them 49 – 54. Number 52 reads:
"You’ve somehow managed to CROSSOVER Avatar with everything imaginable. ... YES EVERYTHING. Even if there are but a few similarities ..."
One of the pictures below this is of a melding of Avatar and Naruto characters and the sign over top of it says “Avaruto”. Aang is portrayed as Naruto; Sakka, Shikamaru; Prince Zuko, Sasuke; etc. (See the visuals for it here [click to enlarge].) Now having read that, please read the following that an anonymous user posted to the Aang article two days ago. I’m sure you will notice some striking similarities!
"The Avatar Series has done some Homages of the show, Naruto. For Example, in the episode "The Guru", Xii Mu teaches Aang about "Chakra", which is what energy is called when doing Ninjutsu in Naruto. And Sakka has homaged Shikamaru Nara in the episode "Warriors of Kioshi" Sakka reveals that he finds man more superior to woman, Same with Shikamaru, when he believes it's a waist to fight girls. Plus, Sakka has a Similar alligned Ponytail to Shikamaru. Prince Zuko can easily be compared to Gaara. Both Their Fathers are/were after them, They became enemies with the main character and allign with them at some points in time." (From this edit here)
I guess this person honestly believes that Chakras are something newly created by the creater of Naruto. I’m afraid if this isn’t checked, the page is going to be bombarded with crazy CROSSOVER stuff like this! (Ghostexorcist20:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
Here's a hint to all you people who keep thinking shipping should be added: *ahem* YOU'RE A TOOL! The producers know the shipping is there because it's in every show with characters that have emotions. The writers aren't ever going to just confirm a ship because it has the most backers. Not only that but shipping would ruin a story, taking away the tension of romance and removing a good chunk of story element. We also will NOT put shipping because as unbiased as you make it, it WILL be a biased statement. Even in the example you put you had a bias and it's clearly evident.
Fanart is fanart and doesn't belong. Why do you think all the webcomic pages are being deleted? Also, let's just make sure to put up a clear citation to all the damn youtube videos made by people with too much time on their hands. Splice a little video, add a pop punk or Linkin Park song, and BAM, you just got yourself on Wikipedia!!! HE11z Ye@h!
In conclusion, no, none of those three things listed will ever merit as something important enough to be on Wikipedia. And stop stealing from AvatarSpirit, it makes this WikiProject look bad as we have hard enough time trying to prevent the plagarism. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)06:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
While certainly not everything you mention qualifies right now as something that belongs on Wikipedia, you overexaggerate when you claim that none of those things will ever merit as something to be on Wikipedia. If enough reliable sources can be produced about the subject, then it can easily belong on Wikipedia. See for example the page on shipping, or other pages in the Category:Fandom. If such material were produced about Avatar characters, the coverage of the subject would be appropriate. So, I suggest being slightly more careful about your statements in the future, and simply saying that there's not enough reliable sources at this time. Perhaps there never will be. It is, however, important to remember that it is possible that it could happen. The subject itself is not forbidden from Wikipedia. So, I suggest instead of telling the people that want to add shipping that they are a tool and otherwise being offensive, you remind them that they need sources beyond simple fan speculation. An article in a published magazine or newspaper, for example, an interview with the creators, even commentary on the DVDs. FrozenPurpleCube17:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Always nice to hear voice of reason. "people with too much time on their hands", well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black my good guy who edits Wikipedia, for a kids show on Nick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.250.190.106 (talk • contribs)
If i had to guess i would say air only because on the avatar escape game the last one was the Air Avatar but theres really no way to correctly guess.
The element of the first bender? All of them... right? That's what an Avatar does. Here's the problem, we know when waterbending and earthbending were created. We know how airbending came about too. We know that these three bending abilities did not exist at the beginning of human evolution in this world. So at some point in time, the spirit world must have created the Avatar Spirit and randomly entered the body of a person. Hell they didn't even need to be a future bender. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)21:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, since the Avatar cycle in the nations is Water, Earth, Fire, and Air, respectively and since the legend's order for learning the bending arts is the same, I suppose one could somewhat assume that the first Avatar came from the Water Tribe. But I agree with the above, it's not very possible for us to guess this sort of thing...
Thats it, i couldnt remember the order: Water, Earth, Fire, and Air. I agree that logically it would make sense that its water but theres no way to figure it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.57.40.107 (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
The show is based on chinease mythology right? Well, all one has to do is read up on it and find out during what season the earth was created (according to the chinease). The season that you get can then be translated to an element. You end up with a pretty good idea of what type of bender the first avatar was. But remember, this is just a guess; the writers may make the first avatar a totally different element, a non-bender, or they may not mention it at all. (If no one gets what I'm saying just contact me here[[12]].) Ashto00:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
True... year 0 is redundent, but having anything before that on one page is better than scattering it among other pages.Sgt. Hydra07:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
New Episodes
There have been rumors flying around that the next episode will be called "the awakening". I guess it's safe to say that if these rumors are true, then perhaps season three will begin sometime this March perhaps. Does anyone have any concrete details on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashto10 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
The first episode of season 3 is called The Awakening, though we can't put it on wiki becuase a leak from Avatar is not a reliable source. And no, there is absolutely 0 chance that season 3 begins in March. September is looking like the most likely time frame for now. -Dylan051317:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
You'll be waiting and definitely seeing that it won't be then. April is when they are going to finish production for the first episode. Nick is planning on a fall season 3 premier. Why would you wait and see on something that is so very unreliable? -Dylan051300:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
(un-indent)Are you even reading the pages you link to, Fallout?:"Season 3, Episode 4: Sokka's Master
Original Air Date: ????
Katara, Toph and Aang are in trouble, so Sokka decides to use his newly-discovered earthbending powers to help them. Toph then decides to become Sokka's earthbending instructor, in addition to Aang's. Meanwhile, Zuko starts a very intimate relationship with Jin, whom he has tracked down in Ba Sing Se. And just when you think the world is safe, an alien invader from Planet Irk named Tak lands and wants to overthrow the Fire Lord. O.o....Keeping this just for the laughs! I'll make sure to change it as soon as anyone can give me real info..."
If that's real, I'll eat my cat.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)03:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
They (IMDB) even says that information is obviously made up, i.e. "keeping this just for the laughs, I'll change it as soon as anyone can give me real info". Of course that one is not real. Selecting one particular factoid or trivial minutia and picking at it does not necessarily discredit the other information, and is a classic "strawman" frame-the-argument technique. None the less, I agree completely with you and Sgt. Hydra below in that it is safe to say that all info on new episodes should be considered speculation until they're printed in TV Guide or being actually advertised on Nickelodeon. Why I am arguing with you over a TV show for teens I'll never know....Fallout1111:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The dates are all mixed up and there is info that could never happen... and besides... 'the headband'(crackes up laughing)... I think its safe to say that all info on
new episodes should be considered unrealible until they come outSgt. Hydra04:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Grr, ok, that's too far. Pooldude's information is reliable! We just can't use it on Wiki. Why would he make something like that up? He's already been proven right last season. -Dylan051311:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Pretty much that. Basically yes his information is always right (the sole guy who claims to happen to have a so-called "inside source" and actually lives up to it) but in terms of sourcing, protocol and all that good stuff calls that we have to do a bit better that "Yeah, my man Jake hooked me up," ya'know? If ya had been around here a last season you'd know the drill. Kinda sucks that we have to go through all this every time. Its a TV show for kids by the way, all the other guys just got into it, kinda like Spongebob. Guess the world will never know. ~Father's Wish 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't disputing pooldude or whatever-his-name-is, but I still think that until we get some info that is 100% foolproof we should wait and see. Better safe than wrong and inaccurate.Sgt. Hydra15:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
What are we doing now? ~Father's Wish 5 March 2007 (UTC)
We wait. There are three sources we can trust for a name before the episode airs. And when I say trust, I mean that we can use. Since there is not even a release date yet, we don't have the information. If you are that shaken with anticipation, I have a list of a few shows you can download and watch in the mean time. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)08:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
For the record I was pretty aware of the waiting stance. That was just my attempt at mild humor/sarcasm. Thought it was pretty obvious but whatever. ~Father's Wish 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The IMDb is getting less and less accurate. Take a look at their "Headband" (I'm still cracking up over the name) alleged "plot." A fine example of what happens when we allow speculation to run amok.Sgt. Hydra03:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Just to make it know, I hear that another alleged episode title is called "The Beach." To all those wondering, no, you can not add this or any other disputed episode titles to the episode list. Sgt. Hydra14:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Dont worry most of you, if you e mail Nick.com, many emials will return with info on whats going to happen with the nick shows. I asked about september, and all it said back was that they are working as fast as they can, and will try to get it present to these months, but, further more they cant reveal anything else. I also did a little research and i know for a fact its not premiering in september, neither march. Pooldude is reliable, in most cases, and knows much behind nick, and yes i did talk to him With Instant message. September is only the latest date, incase the scehdual gets meesed up. And Its most likely premiering Pretty soon, becuase If not, they will loose to Mnay fans, Suspense limit will increase then dramaticly decrease, and more popular shows could be premiering by then. Not to mention Zack Eison tyler, is Only 12 or 13 right now as it is. It isnt to long beofre he goes through puberty, and looses his voice. The only thing i have to agree with Dylan and The others is that, we shouldnt list those episodes up on wikipedia just yet, until its more clear when they are premiering. -User:AvatarDude360
Oy, emailing Nick is stupid. How do you know it wont be September? March is impossible. As is April. The September time frame has actually changed but it's classified information for now. It will most definitely not likely air soon. They will not loose fans, only gain them. You can't tell what Nick is going to do! STFU and wait for information, nor your own theories. We've already established the episodes from Jake's contact won't go on Wiki, your not agreeing with anything. -Dylan051322:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Neither can you know whats going on, none of us do. WE dont work at nick studios. We cant guess. I'm just going by trustworthy Info, and the way you talk, your not really reliable yourself, just a bad temprer. Imdb, TV.com, or fan sites, yes, will not get you anywhere to finding the actual premier date. ANd thank you for clearing up, March is not an option, and most likely april isnt aswell. WE can only wait until we can get some more clear information so we can process through reliable sites, and post it to the fans. Gaining more fans is a possibility also, but also loosing, remeber, Suspense can raise the fans, but the new nick shows can decrease the rate. -User:AvatarDude360
I have info you don't. I'm Jake's #2, xD. In this case, get your info from dongbufeng.net and Nick. Most other places aren't reliable. I do know what I'm talking about ;). -Dylan051322:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I wish i were i Who was the one who didnt understand. We all think we have correct info, but we just have to find out for ourselfs. None of us controll nick studio's. So whatever useless info you have, SHare it elseware if your planning on continueing this arguement. -User:AvatarDude360
Arguing with idiots, and your the one saying we are off topic? umm, a little strange. Anyway, They're going to continue posting new episodes, which we dnt know is official. We need more clear info for us to post the episodes on here. -User:AvatarDude360
Just Trying to get to the point instead of some pointless arguement. I mean though i said it, this is the purpose of this section. -User:AvatarDude360
Why must we argue like children? Wake up! U r adults (or teens/kids, whichever)! Our only option is to wait and be patient.Sgt. Hydra07:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I think its time to semi-protect this place guys, I'm sick I've reverting Ass-Benders and other edits that give these IQ-Of-2 idiots there kicks. Ferdia O'Brien03:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Lets semi protect it. Better yet, lets semi protect all of the articles in wikipedia. No more vandalism!!! Plus, wikipedia would not longer be the sight anyone can edit! i am with you all the way on this one comrade! Seriously, I think you can hit backspace a few times and the vandalism will be gone. Vandals are just stupid three year olds screwing around. they will eventually get bored and stop.Sgt. Hydra05:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't insult the three-year olds. My niece is much better behaved than that. She's even potty-trained. Mostly. :) But yeah, these kinds of <expletive description I want to give to these folks self-censored> people are both endemic to Wikipedia, and a necessary consequence of being free and open, and relying on the decent folks to implement a civilizing effect. And while we may all want to do that with a sack full of door knobs, we have to turn the other cheek and just fix up their mess as we can. Y'all have done a pretty good job though, and it's not like you left Christopher Columbus with speed boats for several months unnoticed. FrozenPurpleCube05:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Why ya gotta be going on the two-year-olds? Anyway yeah, its troublesome, its inconvenient, but it only takes two clicks of a button to fix. Why change horses, etc, etc. A good third of the stuff Avatar has here wouldn't be here if it was protected. Its a "meh" for me. ~Father's Wish 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this is one of those things that if it happens, great, if not, we won't go out of our way to get it semi-protected. -Dylan051313:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
We'll get right on it in 2-6 months or whenever the hey the series returns. Supposed to go on the bottom by the way. There we are. ~Father's Wish 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I dont think the characters will be changing coustumes, maybe just the minor difference as usual with the first and second seasons....unless it goes all flash forward, I think costume changes wont be a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.124.160 (talk • contribs)
Hate Mail
I know Mike and Bryan are probably getting hate mail because of what happened for their
Season 2 finale. They're being called Liar and words I can't type because you'll delete it. Let's just say the fan group is extremely upset about this. Some are even boycotting the show to make them fall.
Nikita Khruschev-"We will bury you!"
Remember that saying because that's probably what's going to happen to Avatar: The Last Airbender
You people are dumb. It's THEIR show and if you're really that unhappy because of Zuko's actions you need to 1) get a life and get over it, and 2) find medical help because you are clearly retarded. Avatar will not lose anybody because of the season 2 finale and the people it does lose weren't people that really loved the show. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)19:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
While not my choice of words, I agree with H2P. The writers showed Zuko to have uncerainity about his actions ("I betrayed Uncle..."), so this left the rest of the fanbase curious as to his motives and future. Besides, several other fanbases of different TV shows, movies, and even books have issues with major plot twists like that. In a similar case, in the Harry Potter franchise (spoiler), the death of Albus Dumbledore at the hands of "reformed" Death EaterSeverus Snape, leading to the possible closing of Hogwarts, may have upset some fans, but the majority of the fanbase awaits the seventh book being released this summer. So, just because some of the fanbase isn't happy with certain plot points, the majority of the fanbase supports it. Kochdude38821:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Here, here. H2P is dead-on. They need to get a life...really. If they get so wrapped up in something to the point where they begin opposing their own thoughts on the writers, just because they WANT things their way, then 1.) They're WAY out of line; and 2.) Lack ANY...and mean "ANY", creativity what so ever. I mean what fun would it be just to have a character stay the same? Not biased, but I like te finale. It definitely sets itself up for much deeper character development and plot. I love cartoons, anime, any form of drawn art, and I've learn to appreciate and respect the authors views. But when I hear such complete disrespect and lack of appreciation, it burns me. So all this about "I don't like what you made *such-and-such* do, so I'll destroy you!" I say is immature crap and these people just need to GROW...UP! Then again...the people doing it, may well be kids. Hehehe. Reige00:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh and by the way, if you know their e-mail addresses (doubtful, you're probably sending hate mail to the people at Nick) then post it, because we've got a lot of edit waring that we'd like to clear up. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)03:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Personally i think what happened in the season finale was brilliant, i felt it wouldve been dry and repetetive like other cartoons had Zuko reformed completely. When i read about the hate mail i was very surprised, it looks like some kind of lame attempt to get the writters to change their mind and rewrite the story or something, but from what ive seen so far, the series seems to have been carefully written and the writters must have it all mapped out. Big fans of the show should respect the creators decision, because up until now they havent been dissapointed. I agree and think its stupid to critisize them. Apparently these hait-mailers care so much about the show and the characters that they got angry, I think these people or kids will watch the show anyway, they just may not admit to it.
Just wondering, but what are we doing talking about this? It is a pointless argument. Who cares about others opinions?!?Sgt. Hydra04:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't say all that, but kinda wondering the same thing myself. I mean are we about to add something or something? I thought this strictly wasn't a forum. So did you hear about Jet? ~Father's Wish 21 March 2007 (UTC)
whats an elipse? and why does it say jet's deceased? When was this decided? And dont go off at me or anything, im not on this site 24 hours a day so i dont know when you guys change stuff or why.
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