User talk:Friday/archive2

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Harry Potter speculation

Harry potter speculation is littered throughout the 100's of Potter pages. I thought it would make sense to collect them all under one page. Interesting about the original research magnet, but most of these ideas are not original. The Dumbledore is not dead theory is the only one I care about. Any first time reader of book six may wonder about this idea even long after book seven is written. I wanted to capture this wide spread speculation which may disappear ...or be proven once book seven is out. I think it is important for the same reason a plot summary should be listed. --Gearspring 04:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Gavin

I'm going to you for advice on this, because I think I've blown my working relationship with Gavin. He really needs to request an advocate. Can you help him with AMA? Hipocrite 21:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah and hip blew her 'working relationship' with me too. In record time no less. Hmmm...there seems to be a pattern developing here...Big Daddy 04:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

speedy template

FYI {{nn-bio}} alias {{db-bio}} cites the exact language of WP:CSD A7, the non-notable real person criterion. You may find it helpful in cases like Rob Vincent. Thanks for tagging that article. DES ^(talk) 16:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Very nice, thanks for the tip. Friday (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Scimitar's RfA

Thanks for supporting my adminship request. You must be careful with that cowbell tag- I've determined that "cowbell" must mean different things to different people. Anyhow, since I'm stopping by to thank you anyway, I thought I'd give you this. Sometimes, the fever needs medication. . . --Scimitar ^parley 15:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Your lack of civility

Note: This discussion is in response to a note I left on a talk page, which was deleted.

Hi Friday. You should read and follow the Wikipedia:Civility policy. That includes not restoring personal attacks[1] on my talk page that I removed as inappropriate (both per the policies that users can remove personal attacks at will and also because I can use my talk page as I see fit) and not making claims that removing discussion from a talk page is considered uncivil when it's more accurate to say that constantly putting comments on a talk page that you know are inappropriate and unwelcome is uncivil. Your claims to want to give advice would appear a lot more genuine if you were more -- gosh what's the word? -- civil about them. DreamGuy 22:07, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Removing other people's comments isn't really uncivil, it's just generally considered poor form. Anyway, I'm sorry you saw that comment as a personal attack. I'll refrain from putting things on your talk page since you obviously don't like getting feedback from other editors. Friday (talk) 22:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

I like getting feedback, but it's nice if the feedback was intended to have a real purpose. Showing up to restore personal attacks against me that I had earlier removed and then suddenly telling me I should read the civility policy when you have already previously given me that link and by all appearances have not read it yourself both are quite without a legitimate purpose. Please do not try to misconstrue my preference for only having ongoing and genuine concerns on my talk page with being uncivil. DreamGuy 22:17, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, my memory isn't that good. I didn't see the link to WP:CIVIL anywhere on your talk page, so I pointed you there. Editors may well be more aware of what's happened previously if it's still there to read. Friday (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, see, and there you are being uncivil again by pretending to be ignorant to try to justify your uncivil behavior. Whether you remember you put the link there previously or not, you also knew that some people were making complaints elsewhere about my supposed uncivility with prominent linkss there and that I had responded. You were fully aware that I know about the policy, and yet you purposefullystopped by to give a "friendly" tip. Apparently you seem to think that uncivil behavior is perfectly fine if you use polite words while taking actions obviously intended to annoy and harass. That's not really a position that can be defended. I only hope that you rethink your behavior here. DreamGuy 03:41, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I do not agree that cautioning other editors about policies (or even suggesting that they have violated a particular policy) is automatically uncivil. There are nice ways and not nice ways to do it. Friday (talk) 23:35, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I didn't say that it was automatically uncivil. Please make a stronger effort to find the nice ways of doing it, because the examples I gave above are clear examples of the not nice ways. DreamGuy 22:58, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid we may simply have to agree to disagree on that last point. But, I will take the spirit of your advice to heart and seek nicer ways of interacting with other editors, even if I'm criticising an edit. I can see that the edit I made a couple weeks ago wasn't appreciated. I've already said I'm sorry, but I'll say it again and try to be very nice about it: I'm sorry for making an edit to your user talk page that you didn't like. Can we let bygones be bygones? I'll certainly agree to not restore deleted content on your talk page anymore. I still don't think you should remove comments by other editors, but I'll happily consider that your business rather than mine. I haven't been here all that long and I won't pretend I don't make mistakes. Looking to the future rather than dwelling on the past, I'll welcome any further comments you (or any other editor) have on my editing behavior. Friday (talk) 03:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

The "does not assert importance" criterion is for people, not books. CanadianCaesar 03:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD template

hi. i'm curious how replacing the VfD template with boilerplate text (e.g., Ignite (U.S. band)) is "fixing" the VfD tag. mind filling me in? i can't see any difference in the result, except for adding more characters, and some remarks that shouldn't be necessary for anybody who reads the page. what's the payoff, and how was what i did broken (the implication of "fixing")? thanks. SaltyPig 08:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Short articles

Hi there. I created the articles as stubs in hope that they will be expanded by other users. They are well-known brands within the UK, and I feel they could have worthy articles in time. --Daniel Lawrence 20:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Censorship

at User_talk:Bad_girl_1701 you've stated that "removing articles from Wikipedia has nothing to do with censorship." we've been so trained to recoil from "censorship" that the word is apparently losing its meaning. the problem at hand is not censorship, but rather the mistaken belief that censorship isn't supposed to occur at wikipedia (and that it's inherently evil).

the WP:NOT article is essentially censorship policy. that is good, because wikipedia couldn't function without censorship. deleting articles at wikipedia has everything to do with censorship. intelligent, proper censorship should be lauded, not denied. censorship, like discrimination (another necessary action practiced here intentionally), is usually not a bad thing, but we're programmed to recoil from even considering the possibility that we engage in either of those often worthy practices. wikipedia is private property, and speech restrictions are an essential right of property owners. User:Bad_girl_1701's attempt to invoke "constitutional" blah blah should fail immediately. it's irrelevant here, and is simply a fallacious attempt to put readers on the defensive. looks like it worked. SaltyPig 21:44, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The fact that Wiki is "private property" is exactly why I don't consider this remotely censorship. We're making no attempt to establish standards for other people's websites, we only worry about encyclopedic standards for this one. Perhaps this is purely semantics, but I still don't consider it at all censorship. Friday (talk) 02:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I've changed my mind. It is censorship, but it's the good kind. Being a libertarian type, I often jump to conclusions when I hear words like that. I usually assume censorship to mean one entity censoring another, which I usually don't like. But when an organization censors itself, that's ok. So actually, I agree with you, altho I have to admit, I think you perhaps bit the newbie a bit more than needed. On the other hand, the subsequent vandalism coming from there doesn't make me very sympathetic. Friday (talk) 03:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

i thought i was pretty nice to her. i welcomed her, and tried to get her situated despite her bad behavior. maybe if you can tell me what parts you think were too biting, i'll gradually become a nicer person. SaltyPig 04:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say I'm an authority on being nice or anything, I've probably bitten unneccessarily a few times myself. I just thought perhaps the new editor took offense to your calling the article "terrible". Altho, you were pretty right about that and I suppose that's not much of a bite, perhaps a light nip if anything. You user page rant, while understandable, is a bit biting in tone although I suppose that's a bit different as it's not aimed at a particular, named person. Anyway, thanks for your reasonable response! Friday (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Veda

Thanks for the $.02.  :) The original content was "Veda is a band from Kansas City, Missouri," which I axed under A1. Glad it's back as a real article, though. - Lucky 6.9 17:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Glad to be of service. Does this mean we're up to an even $.10? - Lucky 6.9 20:02, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Point made

-You wrote: Please do not disrupt wikipedia to make a point. Specifically, this is in response to this edit. Friday (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

-Thanks anyways, I am somewhat flattered that you recognized it's a point made. We should talk some time and exchange our views regarding the series. I'm sure you are quite educated in this area. I welcome any other suggestions you will make. :) Soilguy6 05:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow

Friday, I V. Molotov - formerly known as "Dbraceyrules", hereby give you this Barnstar of Diligence for efforts on Wikipedia.

Take care, V. Molotov 20:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, I was just trying to politeV. Molotov 21:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with that! Thanks again. Friday (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

your vote on metroblogging

I was wondering if you would consider changing your vote on metroblogging. I see that you voted the way you did because policy deemed that a rank higher than 10k wasn't enough. Thats a silly policy with millions of pages on the net, the top 10% or better must be worthwhile. I have revised the policy page. Thanks! 12.111.139.2 01:42, 31 August 2005 (UTC)--

• And I've "revised" it back. The 10k number has resulted from discussion of that policy, and no, it's not silly. Wikipedia is not a web directory. (Sorry for intruding on your talk page, Friday.) android79 01:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks, and no problem, android79. Also, for 12.111.139.2, WP:WEB isn't even a policy per se, it's a proposed guideline. I chose to use that guideline in considering this article. Another one to consider is WP:NOT. There are plenty of websites who've got articles in Wikipedia. However, there are millions that don't, and it's up to the articles to show why a particular website is more influential or important than millions of other sites. I've got a website, two bands, and a car, but you'll find none of them written about on Wikipedia. The deletion vote is not an attempt to judge the value of the website. It's an attempt to control what topics are covered in the encyclopedia. Friday (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The Salty Kids

Thanks for moving that for me! Glad to know you enjoyed the comedy :)

Yes

I'm watching it with a sinking heart. Were the page not protected, I suspect we'd be giddy from the reverting. But it's not quite at a blockable level yet, IMO. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:40, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. And, yeah, I'm not saying he violated 3RR, or the case for a block would be obvious. I'm just disappointed that he continues to edit by brute force, in the very same content dispute that just got him blocked. Friday (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

theres no brute force, otherwiset here would be no discusssion.~!Gavin the Chosen

huh?

Look what is the meaning of all these letters and akrynms? Why cant you peak to all ths on my frequesst for reqiest for comment page maybe that might help you.Wiki brah 19:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I am about to step out for a bit of a air now please do not post anything on my page ever agan thank you.Wiki brah 19:25, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

If you mean your talk page, OK, I guess. If you mean another page, you may be out of luck. Friday (talk) 19:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

Dear Friday, thanks for your vote of confidance at my RfA. I'll try hard to make the soggy mop proud! — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 19:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Wildcat cartridge

No problem on destubbing that--I've shot a number of wildcats and near-wildcats in my time; the .30 Herrett in particular is a fun one, and I've formed .221 Fireball brass from .223 cases (back when .221 Fireball brass was out of production). I've also greatly expanded the handloading page, if you want to have a look and check my admittedly flaky spelling... scot 19:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

ulayiti's RfA

Hi Friday, and thanks for your support of my RfA. I'm an administrator now, and I hope that I'll live up to the community's expectations as one. Your vote of confidence is much appreciated. - ulayiti (talk) 15:53, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

wikipedia email

hello. did you send this to me via email? Man, if you want to edit wikipedia you're going to have to play nice with other editors. There are ways of resolving disputes without the animosity. If you keep it up, you could find yourself blocked from editing. Just trying to help. I know you can do useful things here, but not if you get yourself blocked. if so, why? based on what? for what purpose? if not, please ignore/delete. thanks. SaltyPig 00:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I did. It was about this, actually, I just didn't want to be piling on. The purpose was already explained, but I'll try to explain it again. You're doing useful things, so I wouldn't like to see you get blocked or chased off the project. However, if you don't manage to play nicer with others, you're going to get static from people and possibly get blocked sometimes. Friday (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

"manage to play nicer with others"? do you hear yourself say these things? somebody told you that's an effective way to communicate with adults? do whatever you want. if i can't reply with humor and disdain to somebody threatening me and then threatening to kick my ass, you can have this place. you might want to consider sometime, however, that intelligent adults respond better to short hand jabs (e.g., "bro, you're pushing it. lay off the guy a little. you know we can't go talking to newbies like that. c'mon."), not smarmy kindergarten talk. you're just making things worse. and i'm sure this comment here will be blamed on me having an attitude problem, not you being a condescending groper. yeah, thanks for your "advice". glad after my good record at wikipedia that it gets me "the speech for the snot-nosed". wannabe cops will kill this place if anything can. exactly how did you end up reading my talk page anyway? that's perhaps the key here. i didn't report the guy. interesting. SaltyPig 01:16, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I tried the subtle adult-style talk. You responded like you didn't know what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to be patronizing. Sorry I rubbed you the wrong way tho. I'll leave to you yourself and not give you "advice" anymore. Friday (talk) 01:43, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi there, Friday. Thanks for the support on my RfA; I was surprised at how widely supported it was. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I learn my way around the new buttons. Thanks again. -Splash 16:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Oral Sex

Friday, I think there might be a small concensus. Please read the following prior posts from the oral sex discussion page Reynoldsrapture 19:54, September 11, 2005 (UTC) :

i realize there is a place for images here, and i personally do not support censoring such things - however, let me lay something out for you. i teach history at a public high school in the United States. i use wikipedia in my lessons. i have students use wikipedia for their research. the district has a very strict policy about image content, especially because we have elementary schools using the same network. the images on this article are putting at risk student access to wikipedia.

sure, sure, you'll say - well, fight the district. it isn't that easy. the district has elementary schools, middle schools and high schools, all under one umbrella. we all use the same network. in other words, currently, the elementary schools in my district also have access to wikipedia. in the case of children, it is not for you to decide whether they should see these images or not - it is up to the parents of each child.

the point of all this is: whatever websites are blocked for the elementary school are also blocked for the high school - because we only use one network.

yes, i agree, there should not be censorship. however, i really want you all to think of the complicated situation here. potentially, i could lose access to wikipedia from my high school - and that would be a tragedy. Kingturtle 07:24, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

If students see swear words on Wikipedia used in legitimate sense (e.g. ass, shit, etc), would that count as risk for students in the elementary school using Wikipedia? --SuperDude 15:51, 18 May 2005 (UTC) I doubt it. The concern would be seeing explicit photos and drawings of sexual acts. I am fully opposed to censorship - but this situation calls for some serious thought. Kingturtle 16:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC) I must say that I am rather happy to see the question arising in a sensible and non-partisan tone. It is a legitimate question to consider, and I think that it would be very positive if it could at last be discussed calmly and with genuine intents to come to a reeasonable conclusion. Rama 16:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I hate to interrupt here but, why would you be teaching oral sex in a history class?--Orgullomoore 21:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Neutral comment: I think his point is that site-wide bans because of pages like oral sex will lead to pages a history teacher will have a legitimate interest in using, like Roman republic, being blocked by overzealous administrators. It's no secret that the commercial webblocking programs have employed heavy-handed techniques in the past. Wikipedia is no good if people can't get to us, but it's also no good if it becomes a censored community. That's why it's so vital to find a compromise. -SocratesJedi | Talk 05:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) The images shouldn't be here. It's illegal to show sexually explicit images to children, without consent of parents, without making any attempt to prevent it. Like copyright law, it's irrelevant if you disagree with the law. It's irrelevant if the law is inneffective. Also, yes, people do read about topics they do not wish to "partake" in. There are also a number of other acts, that nobody wishes to see pictures of. I can think of countless articles (not this one) that describe an act (sexual and non-sexual), which most people would wish to read about, but would not engage in. At a minimum, wikipedia should "tag" this and other pages, so that "filter" software can exclude it. I don't beleive that is done. So, the pictures should go. --rob 07:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd agree with the above statements, the photos really do have to go. There's no excuse for having what could be deemed hardcore pornographic content on an encyclopedia. Also, we seem to only be looking at it from our westernised point of view. In many theocratic countries pornography will get you flogged and worse in others. I'd rather ditch the eye candy than think some poor sap in Indonesia just got beaten within an inch of his life because he was trying to learn and clicked through to somewhere he shouldn't have. As there has been no complaints or "Keep the porn." attitudes demonstrated, not even by a vocal minority, I will be so bold as to make a move and remove the images in question. Jachin 09:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC) This image has been removed numerous times and has always been restored. Please do not remove information unless you have something better to replace it with. Rama 09:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC) I'm failing to see the advantage to an inline vs. linked image. No content is being removed, but Wikipedia is in real danger of violating obscenity law by providing no warning/disclaimer/age protection. Linking the image should satisfy this concern (yes, I've read the above arguments from April). Nae'blis 22:03:47, 2005-08-30 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you very kindly for your support for my nomination. I promise your trust will not be misplaced; I may occasionally be buzzed with power, but never drunk. ;) · Katefan0^(scribble) 21:49, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Android79's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA. android79 15:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Bmicomp's RfA

Well, my RfA has not quite completed yet, but either way, I'd like to thank you for your vote and your support, regardless of the outcome. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 17:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)