Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pornography

"Roughies" revisited, and "Nudie-cuties"

If anyone is interested in writing on the historical American porn genres of "Nudie-cuties" and "Roughies" (I'm pretty sure Russ Meyer worked in both genres early in his career), I've just come across this, perhaps, useful quote in my Japanese studies. "Coincidentally, rise of the eroductions occurred almost parallel with that of the American "nudie-cuties" (i.e., harmless naturist and peekaboo flicks), the more innocent forerunners of the "roughies". Roughies lived up to their nickname by sexploiting not only teasy nudity but - almost without exception - sadism and rape, usually of women. Main difference between Japanese and American genres was the latter's filmmakers could eventually reveal unlimited amounts of pubic hair/genitalia..." {{cite journal |last=Fentone|first=Steve|year=1998|title=A Rip of the Flesh: The Japanese 'Pink Film' Cycle|journal=She|volume=2|issue=11|pages=p.5}}

Franchise naming convention discussion at WikiProject Media franchises

Dear WikiProject Pornography participants...WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA (T) @ 22:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Template discussion

Just want to draw everyone's attention to something I've started at Template_talk:Female_adult_bio#Orientation? as I'm having serious doubts about why we have Orientation as one of the fields in the Adult Bio box. Tabercil (talk) 15:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Image guideline rationale

The "guideline" that images should not be "explicit" including showing the bust. The rationale given is the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act, however, the effect of that act would have equal application to the images themselves on Commons. Although many "explicit" images may not be tasteful lead images, and including a plethora of "explicit" images in an article may not be particularly encyclopedic, omitting or cropping images to comply with this "guideline" is inconsistent with WP:NOTCENSORED. Do we have a ruling from the Foundation's Counsel regarding this issue?--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• There's no ruling that I'm aware of... but I think it's less a question of 2257 than using only what's needed and nothing more. In general the primary reason for having an image on the article is to identify the actress. Using an image where there is nudity, even if it's just toplessness, I think distracts from that purpose. Tabercil (talk) 05:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• • I can agree with that, I don't really have any issue with which is the better image at Nadia Nyce where this issue arose. I do, however, have concerns about a project guideline that asserts 2257 when that's neither an issue - most images aren't on enwiki they are commons and that's something everyone seems pretty firm on (commonly comes up in copyright issues due to the non-compatibility of GFDL with most CC licenses) - nor within the scope of what should be in a WikiProject guideline. I think the references to 2257 by Jimbo at WP:PORN harken back to most images being on enwiki and ignore the fact that 2257 is just as applicable to any number of other pages where images have been in place for quite some time, including several of the pages noted there. In the absence of a ruling by foundation counsel, it seems inappropriate for any part of the Project to assert legal reasons for doing or not doing things, even a policy or guideline or VP page, for a WikiProject to do so seems to be far beyond its authority. Could we agree to change the "guideline" to one based on the purpose of the photo rather than one based on 2257 and remove the references to 2257?--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 22:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Easy enough to do... all that needs to be done is to trim the part that refers to 2257. The paragraph before states my argument well enough I think. Tabercil (talk) 00:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• I was wondering if you could help a discussion on wikipedia:list of sexual positions over a photo that's just gone up there. Essentially, I'm of the opinion that it most probably violates 18 USC 2257 and Florida 847 and thought that people on this project would probably have run into this sort of problem before and know the legal position. Many thanks, 92.41.162.115 (talk) 00:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Lists of porn stars

List of African-American porn stars, List of Asian porn stars, List of British porn stars and List of Hispanic porn stars are currently classic examples of lists that should be categories. ie these lists contain no more information than the category they are within. They could be improved if they were turned into sortable tables with details such as date of birth, place of birth, year of first film, awards won etc. Unless someone starts adding more information to these pages so they are not just a list of names; I suggest all these pages be nominated for deletion. I dont mean to sound like i'm laying down the law, but unless drastic improvements are made in a matter of weeks I will nominate them, and it is highly likely they will all be deleted. Willy turner (talk) 15:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and nominate them. When I created List of African-American porn stars, it included well-known stars who didn't have Wikipedia articles. I thought that was okay per WP:CLN#Advantages of lists #14. Then I was told that if a star wasn't notable enough to have a WP bio, she wasn't notable enough to be in the list. So you're right; the list is nothing more than the category. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 01:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Pornography

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I never knew William Shatner had anything to do with pornography ;-) --Rosenzweig (talk) 21:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Pirates II

The DVD for Pirates II just came out and the WP page for it is pretty light Pirates_II:_Stagnetti's_Revenge might be a good candidate for an overhaul. Gkleinman (talk)