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:why not write it yourself? I know nothing on the subject you should do it. :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:why not write it yourself? I know nothing on the subject you should do it. :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::I intend to, I just don't have page creation rights. I asked you because you seem to have at least a passing interest in the general subject, "literature" - and because you were standing right there, so to speak, when I decided to add the subject. :) (''I only need the page created, I will populate it...'')[[Special:Contributions/76.202.249.62|76.202.249.62]] ([[User talk:76.202.249.62|talk]]) 18:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::I intend to, I just don't have page creation rights. I asked you because you seem to have at least a passing interest in the general subject, "literature" - and because you were standing right there, so to speak, when I decided to add the subject. :) (''I only need the page created, I will populate it...'')[[Special:Contributions/76.202.249.62|76.202.249.62]] ([[User talk:76.202.249.62|talk]]) 18:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Wow. This ''is'' a fast crowd. Sorry for putting that on you so totally, and thank you for your efforts - it was not my intention to leave you hanging, after a bit I thought you might not see it till later ... but most of all I believed it could sit there for a day while it was worked up ... so, so wrong! Wow. ''Minutes'', and only measured in the single digits no less! Thank you again for your very neighborly assist - a truly positive act, very much an example of this projects ideals.[[Special:Contributions/76.202.249.62|76.202.249.62]] ([[User talk:76.202.249.62|talk]]) 06:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


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Thank you!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! I ran out of time to fix the Task Force page, and was going to do it when I saw it all neat, tidy, and perfect! Thanks again! ~ Bella Swan? 17:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks great. Thanks again! ~ Bella Swan? 17:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was working on using this, and so I created a new template TTF to use it. Is it not worth it? ~ Bella Swan? 17:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, well if I create all the category articles, all I need to do is place each of them in Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments for the bot to work, so I might as well do so. Do I need to name the categories 'Cat:A-class Twilight task force articles' or can I shorten it to 'Cat:A-class Twilight articles'? ~ Bella Swan? 17:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thanks for your help. ~ Bella Swan? 17:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

Could there be a second bug in the WP:NOVELS template? See Template_talk:NovelsWikiProject#New_task_force_to_add... (thought that you might want to know. =]) Cheers! —the_ed1702:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

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re: monobook

Yes, I finally got it working. Thanks! María (habla conmigo) 16:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 27 - October 2008
Project news
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Member in Focus
  • Yllosubmarine (talk · contribs) has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four FAs and six GAs in various areas), she has been active in the Project's Assessment and Peer Review departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia.
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Newsletter challenge

Our last newsletter's challenge Griffin's Daughter was uncompleted.

Proposed deletion of Vengeance (novel)

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Steppenwolf Picture

Contrary to your comments I don't think that the bad picture with the ugly looking old book in it conveys it's literary importance, I don't think it does anything for it. And, I notice you skipped our discussion on it that was in the Talk Page. I think the other title page is far more powerful, and conveys more a sense of the book, it looks better, and most importantly its a better image, I mean its been taken better. I find that aesthetics of an article are very important, and there's still actually nothing wrong with the other picture except that it comes from a later edition which is of no consequence. But, you'd rather stick with the old one for some unfathomable reason. Look, the only edit you've made in weeks was to cancel out what I did and that speaks loads. Still believe we should hold it to a vote. There's still no reason to go with a first edition just because its a first edition.--Robert Waalk (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • And you did the same to my other project, putting in a first edition cover simply because it was a first edition, despite the fact that my cover, (and I did search between numerous editions to find the one I wanted), more accurately displayed the feel and theme of the book while remaining an aesthetically attractive heading to an article. I think on Look Homeward, Angel, though, the other contributors will outvote you. I still say it is a stupid, pointless action.--Robert Waalk (talk) 00:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You have a give away statement with your phrase here "my other project"! Nothing here belongs to anyone, this is a common arena. We need to get used to the co=operative nature of things and stick to established policies and guidelines. The matter of 1st edition covers has been there for at least three years and is recognised as the most significant reason to select one edition over another. Opinions about aesthetics would easily develop into editing wars with no good purpose. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 05:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Copied to General Forum. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 05:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Member in Focus

Just wondering if you would be interested in contributing to the November Novels Project newsletter for the new section ' In Focus ' ? If so it would be good if you could write on somethings like the goals and future of the Novels Project, how active you are now with the Project etc, anything that can introduce yourself and let new members know that you are the founder and what reasons you started the Novels Project and how we differ from Literature and Books Project etc. This is just a section so members can understand the Project better and get some idea of who our members are. Max of about 200 words and the article would be required by the end of October. Would be good to have you in this new feature, so let us know if your interested. Regards - Boylo (talk) 00:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
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re: Elections

Whoops. Thanks for the reminder! María (habla conmigo) 15:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on coordinator's page.

"Seeing the interests of the_ed17 above it would be nice to co-ordinate with WP:MILHIST more and maybe get a joint military novel / short story literature task force on the cards." Hmm not a bad idea! There are a lot of military history novels...Tom Clancy comes to the forefront of my mind, with Dale Brown, Alistair MacLean, Stephen Coonts and Joseph Heller next in line..... [and we might get more interest in WP:NOVELS... :)] Anyway, cheers! —the_ed1715:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

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Another message. :) —the_ed1717:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

I don't know if MILHIST would do a task force like this....."Note that the project generally covers only those depictions for which a discussion of historical accuracy or real military influence is applicable. A distinction is therefore made between fictionalized depictions of historical warfare and purely invented depictions of fictional warfare; topics sufficiently divorced from actual history that a discussion of actual military history would no longer be relevant to them—such as futuristic warfare in Star Wars—are not considered to be within the project's scope. However, songs and music with long military associations—for example, It's a long way to Tipperary and Lili Marleen—are within the project's scope." (WP:MILHIST#SCOPE)Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 03:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed I would see SF and alternate history as separate to the scope of this group. In other words fiction based on real wars, real conflicts albeit fictional accounts (with some invention). So I don't see we should have a problem. Military themed stories might be more tricky. Drama based and Sandhurst or West Point for example. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Steppenwolf (novel)

I am getting this image translated from german to english that is in commons [1]. It is in the process of being done now and have asked that it then be uploaded to commons. Where would you recommend this chart to be placed in the article ? - Boylo (talk) 11:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translation is being done by Tirkfl if you need to advise him, as he may wish to upload it to article page himself. - Boylo (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledgment and Request

Thank you for your recent edits to the Chris Heimerdinger article and comments regarding the proposed merge, I think you may be correct - merging it is simply another way for the lazy like myself to get around the work necessary here.

On a side note, would you be so kind as to create an article titled Mildred L. Batchelder Award with a redirect from Batchelder Award? Beyond its notability the award is interesting in that it is conferred on the publisher for a single specified title. I intend to write the prose based mostly on this reference[2][3] and it's associated links. Thanks, if you can create that page for me.76.202.249.62 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why not write it yourself? I know nothing on the subject you should do it. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I intend to, I just don't have page creation rights. I asked you because you seem to have at least a passing interest in the general subject, "literature" - and because you were standing right there, so to speak, when I decided to add the subject. :) (I only need the page created, I will populate it...)76.202.249.62 (talk) 18:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. This is a fast crowd. Sorry for putting that on you so totally, and thank you for your efforts - it was not my intention to leave you hanging, after a bit I thought you might not see it till later ... but most of all I believed it could sit there for a day while it was worked up ... so, so wrong! Wow. Minutes, and only measured in the single digits no less! Thank you again for your very neighborly assist - a truly positive act, very much an example of this projects ideals.76.202.249.62 (talk) 06:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy

Kevin, could you please use edit summaries when you make an edit? It's quite unhelpful not to, especially when reverting others. This change seems to introduce a factual inaccuracy - the artist's book is "by" the artist Dennis Ashbaugh; Gibson only contributed a poem which was embedded in it. As far as I am aware, Gibson has written no notable books which are not novels, so Category:Books by William Gibson, if Category:Novels by William Gibson is to remain, should be empty. the skomorokh 19:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my bad - at least on the edit summary - my hands going too fast for my brain. On the authorship all I can say is I read the lead first sentence that said "Agrippa (a book of the dead) is a work of art created by speculative fiction novelist William Gibson, artist Dennis Ashbaugh and publisher Kevin Begos Jr. in 1992.[1][2] ". If that needs clarifying so it should be if the "book" not by Gibson then who is "author". :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 20:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, no problem. I think I added the category to the article on a similar level of reading. After developing the article for GA, it's now apparent that Agrippa is an art project which incorporated an artists' book created by the artist which contained, among other things, disks with a poem by Gibson on it. The art project had other components besides the artist's book. See the content and additions section. So I would credit the artist Dennis Ashbaugh as the primary author of the actual book, and the sources credit Ashbuagh, Gibson and the publisher Begos as the creative forces behind the project. the skomorokh 20:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If Gibson is not the "author" he shouldn't really be categised here at all, or at least as works. It is the poem that should be credited. So either a separate article for it or at least at category entry for Category:Poetry by William Gibson on this article which is more clearly not the attribution for the whole "book".  :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 20:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was inclined to go for broad categorisation - categories which cover the book, the poem, the event and the whole project - I would have included and if those categories were otherwise populated. I'm not sure what the convention on this type of categorisation is - could you advise?
If the categories should strictly categorise the topic of the article - the project - then I would still argue for Category:Works by William Gibson, as Gibson is credited equally with Ashbaugh and Begos. By way of analogy, it would seem strange if The Difference Engine were removed from Category:Novels by William Gibson just because he is not the sole author of that work. Thoughts? the skomorokh 21:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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