User talk:Michael IX the White

MABH

Όποτε μπορέσεις ρίξε μια ματιά στο άρθρο:Μέτωπο Απελευθέρωσης Βορείου Ηπείρου, στην ελληνική wiki. Προσπάθησα να βρω όσο το δυνατό πιο ουδέτερες πηγές. Δυστυχώς δεν έχει γίνει ούτε μια δημοσίευση στην Αγγλική γλώσσα σε αυτό το θέμα. Μελλοντικά θα το μεταφράσω. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexikoua (talk • contribs) 10:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Kitsos

Ήταν πράγματι πολύ μεγάλη μορφή, κρίμα που δεν μπόρεσα να πάω στο μνημόσυνο στην Ριζάρειο. Πολύ καλή δουλειά. Έγραψα για τον Μάνθο Οικονόμου. Αν θες ρίξε μια ματιά στην συζήτηση για τη Χειμάρρα. Κάποιος προσπαθεί να πείσει ότι η δημοτικότητα του ελληνικού κόμματος στην πόλη δεν έχει καμιά σχέση με το αν υπάρχουν Έλληνες εκεί. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexikoua (talk • contribs) 06:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Pyrros

Έχω γράψει στην ελληνική wiki τους: Ριζάρηδες, τον Σπ. Σπυρομήλιο, και τον Ιωάννη Πάγκα (ευεργέτη από Κορυτσά). Θα γράψω και τις αγγλικές τους μεταφράσεις. Αν ενδιαφέρεσαι για επιπλέον βιβλία ενδιαφέρον είναι της Εκδοτικής Αθηνών: Ηπείρος, 4000 χρόνια Ελληνισμού που αναφέρει λεπτομερειακά τις πηγές που χρησιμοποιεί, ανά παράγραφο. Και η ιστορία του Ελληνικού Έθνους (1897-1918), από τις ίδιες εκδόσεις. Alexikoua (talk) 11:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Ένα ακόμη κομπλεξικό που παίζει με τις λέξεις είναι ο emperordarius. Έιναι μια χαρά του άρθρο τώρα, το' χω βάλει και στην watchlist. Θα ξεκινήσω άρθρο για το 'Κουκούλι' και το 'Μονοδένδρι', για το ζαγόρι. Εσύ από πιο χωριό είσαι φίλε; Alexikoua (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Zagori

Sure, i come from Zagori (Κουκούλι). I'm interested in adding usefull information about the region of Epirus. Έχω βαρεθεί να σβήνω τις ασυναρτησίες που γράφουν ειδικά στο άρθρο Χειμάρρα. Φυσικά μπορούμε να συνδιάσουμε τς ενέργειές μας. Τις επόμενες μέρες θα προσθέσω υλικό για το θέμα των Τσάμιδων και σκέφτομαι να δημιουργήσω άρθρο με τον τίτλο Ηπειρώτες ευεργέτες. Χάρικα πολύ πατριτώτη ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexikoua (talk • contribs) 05:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Signing posts

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!

You won't have to keep writing it in yourself this way. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well,thanks:)! As a matter of fact I do sign all my posts that way (with the 4 tildes). I'd just like to know which article you're reffering to. Perhaps it seems like I write it all myself, because I don't have a user page yet, so a link does not appear.

Anyway thanks! Michael IX the White 14:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Solved the problem! Now the link appears! xd --Michael IX the White (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. I didn't mean to ignore your question -- I'm glad it all got worked out! Again, welcome, Kafka Liz (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Greece August 2008 newsletter

The August 2008 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.--Yannismarou (talk) 10:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Yanni.--Michael X the White (talk) 18:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Greece situates partially in Asia

You write here:

I agree with you in terms of geography. However, islands like these are considered to belong to the continent their country belongs.

What is the source e. g. that Bozcaada/Tenedos island is in Asia, but Symi as if in Europe? The owner of islands does not explain it, look at for example the Spain-owned Canary Islands (in Africa) and also the Italy-owned Pantelleria and Pelagie Islands (in Africa).
--PKo (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Look, I think you are geographically ( and geologically) right. If you also find and provide reference(s) to support your statement ( that the islands are in Asia ), there will be no problem in backing it in the article talk page.So please try and find a book that agrees with you and then it will be easier for the rest of us to do so,too.--Michael X the White (talk) 20:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

New page

I have created the page: Greek minority in Albania. Please contribute.balkanian (talk) 13:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.--Michael X the White (talk) 15:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Is that the exact quote? And please give me the exact title of the book and its ISBN. Once again thank you.balkanian (talk) 16:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again.balkanian (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I see. Thanksbalkanian (talk) 17:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I wonder if in Babiniotis is anything about Cham Albanians the etymology of the word, etc. Can you check it for me?balkanian (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanksbalkanian (talk) 19:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Cham Albanians

Since you have Babiniotis's work, could you please help me (or help balkanian) verify and incorporate some extra information into the reference citations attributed to it? So far, the citations need page number, place of publication, and year of publication. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks. Deucalionite (talk) 23:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanksbalkanian (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Maps

The main question is what maps our sources offer us, in order to turn them into webmaps, which can be used by the project and the article. For instance, as I mentioned in the article's talk page, as far as the "Macedonia" section is concerned Vacalopoulos provides an excellent map in page 607-608. In page 618 there is another one about the retreat of the Greek forces, but two maps for one section is maybe overdue (unless we put them side by side). These are fine source maps for your friend to turn them into svg (or I don't know what other file he might use) maps that we can then upload to the project.

I don't know what the printed sources of yours may also have in terms of maps and how your friend could make use of them, but as far as Internet is concerned I did not manage to find something else except for Vacalopoulos. But I'll keep searching.--Yannismarou (talk) 08:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

A little more help

Hi, User:Deucalionite asks if do you have "the page numbers for the reference citations you provided from Babiniotis? Also, could you provide any publication data (i.e. where the book was published, who published it, year of publication)?" Can you help us?balkanian (talk) 11:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Greek

There is a debate between me and Future Perfect on a map he is creating where he insists on depicting ancient Macedonia as a conclusively and indisputably non-Greek speaking region. Please check it out for I am really tired to be treated as an ultra nationalist even when demanding the obvious... to even denote the possibility that ancient Macedonian was a Greek dialect, a possibility (probability) that Wikipedia of course accepts...

GK1973 (talk) 22:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing

This [1] type of canvassing will not be tolerated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I feel honored, this being the first time you threaten me!! Thanks!--Michael X the White (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Retard

You retard Gayreek stop displaying fake information like Pyrrhus(which clearly was Illiryan, not gayreek) or other racist fake stuff like saying that Molossians were Greek. So shut the fuck up and stop editing, fucking gayreek.

looking for input

Mike I've added a bunch of points on the Macedonian Dispute talk page (the section that refers to FYROM officials admitting they are not related to ancient Macedonians and others giving a contradicting story of their ethnicity. (which I don't think many people involved with the issues realize). I therefore think some (if not all) of the points would be a valuable edition to the article (especially the quotes). However, it needs to be fit-in somewhere logically. I'd appreciate some input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crossthets (talk • contribs) 02:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

About minorities

Greece does not recognise that there are ethnic minorities in Greece. If Greece would recognise that there is a turkisht minority for example, than we would not disagree about the number, becouse it would be a result of a census. But, as long as Greece does say that there is no person of another ethnicity that is a Greek national, and other sources state that there are groups of other ethnicities that are Greek nationals (see factbook for example) than it isn`t we that question Greece`s position, but all others that question it. Just per talk, do you belive that there is no ethnic minority in Greece?balkanian (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I do. And there's why: There are three claims of ethnic minorities:1)Albanian (Tsam) 2) FYROM (Slavs) 3) Turkish. Let's begin from the third, that I believe is 100% propaganda to push territorial claims later. For the Tsams, I think that even if there were ever any, they were sent back to Albania, and even if there may be (which I doubt) 100 or a little more Muslim Tsams who speak Albanian, they should not be considered a minority. If there are other Tsams (non-Muslim, not Albanian speakers), then they are 100% assimilated and also are not a minority. Well, most sources claim that there are lots of Tsams in Epirus that deny that they are Tsams or speak Albanian and self-identify as Greeks. We should respect their self-identification and not state that they form part of a minority (we anyway don't know if they do). Well, about FYROM Slavs, they're not even a nation. I think that there could be some Slavic villages from this side of the border but I think that they should have been assimilated by now. And, most of all, I trust the government's official position.--Michael X the White (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You know I am Albanian, but I may agree wtih you about the Cham Albanians, IF they really do not feel like Albanians, and self-identify as Greeks. I was in June in Igoumenitsa and I met with orthodox Greek citiziens, who spoke Albanian and said that we are Albanians in ethnicity but Greek nationals. So, I still am not sure how many Albanians ethnics, Greek nationals, live in Epirus. But, I am sure that there is a turkish minority in Greece, In Komotini, Ksanthi and Evros. They speak turkish, they say that are turks, and the only one who says that they are greeks is the Greek government. As about the slavo-macedonians, if you respect the motion of self-identification, you should respect that they are a nation. We all know that they are bulgars, but as long as they wish to be different nation, they may be, as per self-identification.balkanian (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I do not trust any government.balkanian (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

(I like the phrase "we all know they are bulgars!!) hehe:P.That's a very special case and not that simple.) I can't really tell you about Igoumenitsa, I don't really like the place and don't go often. (In general, when I'm in Epirus I try to stay in the borders of Ioannina Prefecture as much as possible). I respect yoour view about Turkey and maintain mine, probably because of the general distrust of any turkish action. Now, the people you met could either be those that I mention as 100% assimilated without saying that they are Greeks or immigrants (1990+). A lot of immigrants get baptised and change their names to find work more easily and become more easily accepted by the local society. Also, there is another matter. You are an Albanian, and if you approach one in Greece, they may admit to you that they are. I am Greek and if I do the same, they will mostly state that they are Greeks from N.Epirus. So we can't have an accurate view anyway. Also, many Albanian, baptised immigrants take citizenship after a period of time (I think about 6000 were given citizenship last year). But they are not part of a minority.--Michael X the White (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

No, no. I do not speak about Albanians that came in Greece after 1990. I speak about Greek citiziens, that have been born in Greece, long ago. One of these cases, was an Greek national, about 60, that was born in Igoumenitsa, not an immigrant, but a Greek national. I am sure that he, is considered an ethnic Greek by everyone, but he said to me that ethnically he is Albanian.balkanian (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't doubt you checked. Would his family, however, also admit they're Albanian?--Michael X the White (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not know about that, but my point is that exactly becouse "I do not know about that" there should be an "?" in Greece. While, in Albania there are statistical data of these individuals who self-identify as Greeks, in Greece there is no data of these individuals that self-identify as Albanians.balkanian (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)