Talk:Survivor: Gabon

What the????

We haven't heard any word of the season being greenlit by CBS, so why has an article been created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottAHudson (talk • contribs)

[1] They're accepting applications now, so obviously that means something has been confirmed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Survivor: Gabon

according to survivorskills.com.. Survivor 17 is Survivor: Gabon... is this for reaL??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.254.131 (talk) 11:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Locations scouted

they have scouted the following locations for possible filming:
- Kalayaan Islands, Philippines
- Tokelau
- Niue
- Gabon
- Canary Islands
- Nigeria
- Ghana
- Galapagos Islands
- Bahamas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.20 (talk) 14:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Any sources to confirm this? Otherwise it's a definate no for the article Survivorfan101 (talk) 05:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd LOVE Survivor if they went to the Galapagos! Stunning wildlife. A climate you'd NEVER expect, everthing Survivor needs! They've overdone it near Australia. They need to come closer to the Prime Meridian here! From Tagi to Bottom, MySurvivorPartay (Wobbuffet!. Dats right) 01:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That's real cool, MSP, just remember to read (or re-read) WP:TPG at some point. In a nutshell: talk pages are for the discussion of the upkeep of the article, not the subject content. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 04:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

location confirmed

http://www.pep.ph/news/16828/17th-season-of-U.S.-reality-show-Survivor-shooting-in-CamSur-%E2%80%94report

It's in Filipino though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.241.16 (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

yeah.. tagaLog.. fiLming is scheduLed on June-August 2008.. but i think they have made it so earLy just before the storms came in..

and Jeff have toLd before that they are interested to fiLm in the PhiLippines —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.225.179 (talk) 02:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it for now because the report seems rather questionable from what I could read of it. The article seemed to have conflicting information in that casting was still going on, yet some celebrities were already cast (which is itself questionable). If somebody could provide a full translation, that would be great. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I am from Camarines Sur, Philippines. The whole island of Lahuy in Caramoan, Camarines Sur has been closed to the public for the shooting of the said reality show. It is not clear though if it is the US or Asian version. -Filipinayzd (talk) 10:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

GMA Network got the franchise for Survivor Philippine version according to this news. -Filipinayzd (talk) 10:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional link. So for the US version, it's only rumor, not fact. Therefore, it can't be added to the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Filming of Survivor in Caramoan, Camarines Sur Philippines is not a rumor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.27.45 (talk • contribs)

True, but what they are filming (US or Philippine version) is rumor and therefore can not be included. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It's French Survivor.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.20 (talk) 07:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The actual location for the next season of this series will be in Gabon. Not in the Philippines. -- 08:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.101.235 (talk)

Location

Photos from the locals:

• http://dasler.multiply.com/photos/album/3/Survivor_Challenge_Speed_Boats_at_Gota_Beach
• http://flickr.com/photos/tanyeen/page4/
• http://sugar-en-spice.blogspot.com/2008/02/project-site-inspection-gota-beach.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.27.45 (talk) 18:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice photos, but there is no identifiable Survivor gear in any of them. Just pictures of boats, huts being constructed, and a beach. Having captions that say Survivor do not mean that they are Survivor. Nothing is from a reliable source either. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Logo

I uploaded the logo, which can be found here. I guess it can't be added until the finale of 16 airs tonight, so you can add it tonight when it's officially announced. Thanks -theblueflamingo^Squawk 18:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Guess this one was a fake. Will replace it with real one, I guess. -theblueflamingo^Squawk 03:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Official Spoilers

I have a complaint to you guys.

You keep putting up OFFICIAL stuff before we in Spokane even watch the episodes. Don't you know ANYTHING about the time zone? You should know about time zone. In my homestate, it is NOT the same time as in your homestates. Please stop putting up OFFICIAL stuff before I watch the episodes, it could cause MAJOR spoilers. Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.3.135 (talk) 02:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

We're well aware of time zones. Wikipedia does not delay publishing things based on time zone spoilers (I can't find the guideline on that at the moment, but I'll keep looking). My suggestion is that if you don't want to find out what is happening on an episode before it airs wherever you are that you don't visit Wikipedia and don't use the Internet in general because you could run into spoilers elsewhere besides here. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I must second the sentiments of Gogo Dodo. It's basic common sense. Don't read the wikipedia page of the show you want to watch hours beforehand. I live in California and I would never think to do that if I didn't want to know. Agrippina Minor (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, think about the people in Gabon itself who probably don't even have Survivor at all! We can't just ignore the information because one person or group of people don't want to know about it. That's censorship. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 07:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No official updates about the Season?

The filming is over and the cast hasn't been revealed yet. I wonder when they will be revealed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.124.104 (talk) 02:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

They are usually revealed about a month before the premiere. Since it starts September 18th, they could announce it any day now, although next week seems the most likely. Starwarsrulez (talk) 07:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW a promo has started airing on CBS. 75.179.146.142 (talk) 06:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I hear they are waiting for the Olympics to end, and they will reveal the cast the day after the closing ceremony. If you'd like cast spoilers, go to survivorfever.net. They can't go in the article, but they are always right. Rj1020 (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well according to the official CBS website, they are going to announce the cast tomorrow. 75.179.146.142 (talk) 00:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

dead external link

External link #7 is dead. A quick google search reveals the article mirrored somewhere:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/05/arts/People-Jeff-Probst.php
can anyone edit the external link accordingly? Owoc (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I can get on that! Right Away! From Tagi to Bottom, MySurvivorPartay (Wobbuffet!. Dats right) 21:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Tribe breakdowns/colours

Are there any sources for this? Certainly doesn't look like the official site has that breakdown. If not it should be removed. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 20:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I saw from a promo that red is one of the colors and that yellow is another color. I saw the red color in the cast promo and yellow in a picture on Survivor Fever's Gabon home page. 98.17.118.185 (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Tribal breakdown has been confirmed by vidcap analysis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.18.169 (talk) 23:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's still unsourced and original research. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well anyone who has seen the cast introduction video on the CBS website can confirm that that tribe colors are indeed yellow and red. I know its early, but these are the colors I feel best match the buffs.

Yellow Tribe	Red Tribe
Yellow (RYB) (#FEFE33)	Coral Red (#FF4040)

MarkMc1990 (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the color choice for the red; I think it's a bit darker. spider1224 11:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Red Tribe: Crystal, Dan, Danny, Gillian, Ken, Matty, Michelle, Randy, Susie Yellow Tribe: Ace, Bob, Charlie, Corinne, Jacque, Jessica, Kelly, Marcus, Paloma

The tribe were revealed in the "meet the cast" video. There's no reason why you can't show the colors now. 76.252.1.35 (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

How about

Rose Madder (#E32636)

for the red tribe? MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I like that better. spider1224 15:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Enemies

FOX is trying to get Survivor cancelled with their new show, 'Hole in the Wall'. Wiki Worthy? Rj1020 (talk) 19:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll bite... how does FOX get a show canceled on CBS? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Ratings war? It's not wiki worthy, as this is essentially the aim of every television network airing shows at the same time as another programme. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 07:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Tribe Names

Red Tribe: Fang

File:S17 tvg ch fang flag 02.jpg

Yellow Tribe:

Kota

File:S17 tvg ch kota flag 04.jpg

Lets go ahead and add the names since we know them. 98.17.116.190 (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's not since they are not verifiable. We can wait a few days. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I concur. spider1224 18:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The TV guide promo confirmed the names, so why can't we just add them! I even saw in their first 3 mintues video that an their opening sequence showed a girl and maybe a boy telling which tribe they were on!! 98.21.195.154 (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Post the link! Other wise it's unsourced until Thursdayspider1224 18:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I removed 75.89.232.74's contribution to the article because he/she gave an unreliable source ( Survivor Fever) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.155.98 (talk) 00:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

But the source showed the pictures of the Fang red flag and a Kota name strip. The pictures are from TV guide. 75.89.235.14 (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

This Season's Theme Question

Should we add that this season's theme is good vs. evil

source: http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Survivor-17-Cast/800045789 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarbear12345 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't Forget

The first TWO episodes air on the premiere night. You'll want to add another slot for "the game". Rj1020 (talk) 00:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Koda in infobox

Not sure if it's just my screen, but the yellow writing for Koda in the info box sort of disappears into the background. Any thought to darkening the shede of yellow a touch for readability? (I don't know color codes well enough to try myself).--Cube lurker (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Another thought would be to not color the name and instead use a colorbox like so:

  Fang

  Kota

How about that idea instead? If that is acceptable, changing it on all of the old Survivor articles would probably be a good idea just to be consistent. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

personally I like it.--Cube lurker (talk) 22:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely easier to read and matches up with the color usage in the tables better. You can stick the text in the box like:

 Fang 

 Kota 

But I don't think that looks very good. The boxes are too tight around the text and you get different sized boxes. The first version reminds me more of a flag and I like that as it sort of pertains to the game. Before I make the change, let's see if anybody else has comments. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the first idea of the colored squares with the name next to them proposed by Gogo Dodo. It is a reminder of flags for the tribes and would eliminate the problem of readability Survivorfan101 (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, great idea. Can't believe we didn't think of it earlier, tbh. That's 4-0 so far. Consensus enough yet? (And while we're talking about standardizing articles, there's still the matter of writing episode summaries for old seasons in the new format.... hint, hint) -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 02:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Make that 5-0 :) PageantUpdater talk • contribs 02:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I assume we'd apply this to contestant articles too? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 06:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

5-0 is good for me! The tribe has spoken, I made the change. I'm not sure what contestant articles you are referring to. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

E.g. Jonathan Penner. The contestant infobox has a field for tribes. These generally use the same color coding as the now outdated season infobox, though some only use black text. Should we replace this with the new "flag" design? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I had looked at one of the contestant articles and I totally missed that the tribes are sometimes colorized. Yau-Man Chan's is not, while Jonathan's is. I think if the colorizing stays then it should be the "flag" style. It really helped with readability. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I'll get onto that tonight then, providing my internet doesn't crap out again! I've also applied it to the international articles - well, the ones that have infoboxes at least. Looks like I've got me some standardizing and rewriting to do these holidays! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 01:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Now need to worry. As soon as the decision was reached here, I went ahead and made the changes in Survivor Philippines. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The Michelle vote

How do we know the vote against Michelle was 8-1? They never showed all of the votes in that vote. Corvus cornix_talk 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It's in the CBS recap, "With eight of the nine votes cast against her". Interesting that they don't have the voting video like the did with last season. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I take back what I said that they don't have the voting video. They do, but I keep getting "The requested video content has expired." when I go look at it. Hopefully just a temporary glitch. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Corvus cornix_talk 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

A new season, but still the same issue

Hey guys, just thought i'd bring this one up again (since it hasn't been put to bed yet). Nicknames. In this season, two offenders Danny (GC) and Jessica (Sugar). Right now, GC and Sugar are being used at points in the article. On the offical site, they are called Danny and Jessica on their profiles and as such should be used here. I will wait for consensus though to change it Survivorfan101 (talk) 03:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Whoa. Total noob here (me), just giving my opinion. xD Anyway, personally, I think it would make sense to refer to them as their nicknames, because that's how they are referred to on the show, and therefore they will be more recognizable by those names. That's just my opinion, you guys know more about this than me. Veego laberge (talk) 23:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Veego. I think it would make more sense to use their nicknames. A casual viewer will come here and think "who are Jessica and Danny?", and furthermore, might confuse Danny (GC) and Dan Kay. MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Death of crew member ?

Just wanted to know why the information of the dedication to the dead crew member has been taken out ? The comment "not relevant to the outcome of the game" is valid, but then the article never claims - nor should it be intended to - to only talk about the outcome of the game. In general my opinion is that the article should be the source of all kinds of information about the show - not just the voting history. Not sure if I am happy that some people elevate themselves to filter whats relevant and whats not (after all thats against the spirit of wikipedia). In my case wikipedia was the first place I went to to see what this dedication was all about.
So - as I agree that the episode summary is probably not the best place to put this kind of information - I think it should be included in the article nevertheless. Maybe in a 'Interesting facts' section ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.220.200 (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The Immunity Table

This is so complicated and I have no idea how to set this up. It's wrong though. There needs to be a second box with the Kota immunity separate from the Kota reward and Danny/GC immunity lined up with Michelle's elimination. There were three challenges in that episode. Rafe34 (talk) 03:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

My mistake. I got really confused about the whole thing. Anyways, it's fixed now. I went back and forth over if the current gray boxes or white boxes with "n/a" in them looked best. Four "n/a" boxes in a row looked cluttered to me, so I went with gray boxes. -- Gogo Dodo (talk)

(Apologies if I'm getting this the wrong way here; Gabon isn't airing here yet) Is the immunity that GC and Markus won in the first episode for their respective first tribal councils? This would make it the same as the Individual Immunity that Yau-Man and Kathy won in the first episode of Micronesia, yet that isn't mentioned in that article. I'll wait for clarification before I make any changes, as, like I said, I don't know the exact details here. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 20:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

It's the same thing. It was mentioned in last season's episode summaries, but it wasn't added to the tables. I was going to fix that. I added it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Episode One or One and Two?

The official CBS site is calling last week's premiere episodes 01 & 02. Should this article reflect that? -- BullWikiWinkle 18:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with that and according to the article history, neither does an anonymous editor. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with that either. I was about to alert anyone about this because the premiere episodes were aired here by delayed telecast as two episodes shown one after another in the same day. Good thing you pointed that out. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Controversy Section

I notice that the cortroversy paragraph keeps getting removed by the same anon without discussion. Just to make it official, do we have consensus that it belongs in the article? My opinion, it's sourced, it's a short paragraph so theirs no undue weight, it's inclusion is consistant with other articles for similar shows. I see no reason for this to be removed.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice to have an outside source (not from the parents' group) article (I really haven't searched) but its good enough to keep right now. --MASEM 18:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the last version I'd added a report from Yahoo/E-online.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's fine, though I hated the original addition, which is why I rewrote it awhile ago. I fixed your reference. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Clearly, I agree, as I've reinstated this information on multiple occasions. Good, third-party sources are what the Survivor articles really need, no matter how bad the publicity. Though as they say, bad publicity is good publicity! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Ratings section removal

With the Ratings section being currently tagged as unsourced, it crossed my mind that perhaps this section can be removed entirely. I'm not sure what it brings to the over all article besides some stats that are not relevant to the game. If removed, I think it should apply to Survivor: Micronesia, too. Thoughts? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Agree -- BullWikiWinkle 01:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Not relevant to the game, yes, but relevant to the article, in terms of viewership etc. It is an article about a TV show after all. Of course, there is the slight problem that they're unsourced. But I've looked and looked and -seriously!- where do those IPs find them from? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 03:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you try searching Google for nielsen ratings? I know they have them sometimes in TV Guide.spider1224 20:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)