Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who

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Previous discussions:

• Archive 1 (5 April 2005 to 26 May 2005):
• Archive 2 (21 May 2005 to 23 September 2005):

Collaboration?

Does anybody else think that it would give the whole Wikiproject some great motivation to have our own personal collaboration to try and get an article up to Featured Article standard? I think that History of Doctor Who or Doctor (Doctor Who) would be good candidates, mainly because the're very complete anyways :) Thoughts? Sean 02:30, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

TARDIS might be a good choice, it has been peer reviewed. --TimPope 09:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Historical characters in Doctor Who

Just found this last night. Needs some cleanup, but it's okay. Any thoughts? --Sean Jelly Baby? 16:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The Last

Anybody have any idea what this is supposed to be about? There is a Big Finish audio called The Last, but that is clearly not what this article is about! --TimPope 21:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Hoax article - he also created The Next Life in the same way, gibbering about a new companion named Faust. I've speedy deleted both. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, just wanted a second opinion as it might have been a comic strip, short story or something else I may not have heard of ;-) --TimPope 17:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Fan films

Right now, the scope of Doctor Who spin-offs is limited to licensed material; originally, my intention in limiting it this way was so as to not have to deal with the numerous fan projects out there. That being said, there's an anon IP who has tried to insert the video projects of the Time Meddlers of Los Angeles into that article, which I reverted.

He has e-mailed me about this, pointing out that there are fan film sections for Star Trek and Star Wars. So I am asking for input on this - should we allow this info in as part of the spin-offs article, or somewhere else? Any thoughts? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

My personal opinion is not to include this sort of stuff – I mean, where does it end? Can any eight year-old with his parents' camcorder and a silly hat add his own efforts to the piece? I'd be much more comfortable limiting the article to officially-licensed products only, but that's just my view. Angmering 11:37, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I see no problem with featuring independent productions based upon Doctor Who concepts - things like the Auton films, the Sarah Jane Big Finish series, Benny Sommerfield, etc. I also wouldn't mind seeing something done on the fan-made Audio Visuals series that was a forerunner of Big Finish. But if we start including every fan made Doctor Who production I agree with Angmering the scope would get to wide. I can't speak for Star Wars or Star Trek. I personally wouldn't feature those fan productions at all, except for the fact some of the Trek ones like Hidden Frontier have been given legitimacy and notability because of the involvement of Roddenberry's estate and people like Walter Koenig. If someone managed to make a Doctor Who fan production and managed to get Tom Baker to reprise the Doctor, then let's talk. 23skidoo 13:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, there is Devious, which is set between The War Games and Spearhead from Space and features Jon Pertwee at the very end. Oh and me as a Dalek operator somewhere along the line! But as it's been in production for the best part of fifteen years now and still shows no sign of ever being finished, I still doubt it's worth even a passing mention. Angmering 15:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

The section that the anon user added mentioned that John Levene appeared in one fan film as "Brigadier Benton", which isn't really much different from Walter Koenig appearing in Star Trek: New Voyages. My own feeling is that there could be a short sentence about fan films on Doctor Who spin-offs, with a link to a Doctor Who fan films page, which could go into a little detail. We should, however, generally keep references to fan films out; the only exceptions I can think of are short mentions of this Benton thingy on his page and John Levene's, and maybe a reference to that thing that Jonathan Blum did if anyone ever makes a page for him. —Josiah Rowe 15:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Unsure... it could grow wildly out of control, so I think it doesn't belong in the spin-offs article. On the other hand, an article about fan-made productions in general could have some potential — although any one fan video on its own it is not very notable, that's not to say the phenomenon as a whole should be ignored. --TimPope 17:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

• I was refered to this page in order to discuss my proposal to list Dr. Who fan films/videos on this archive. Forgive me, but I really don't understand what is the problem in orderly listing this information here. These are ample Wikipedia quidelines for listing this information. I am not a person to let this matter to "grow wildly out of control". There is enough control in that. There is a a large lack of this Dr. Who fandom knowledge/works not being represented here. This sadens me. Dr. Who fan films is what got me interested in Dr Who matters back in the day and still interests me today. BTW & FYI--Walter Koenig is connected with the fan film project Star Trek- New Voyages, not the other one mentioned. I am the person who tried to supply my personal knowledge about several Dr Who fan films that were very popular and made some years ago. The videos I wish to list are not 'a eight year-old with his parents' camcorder and a silly hat'. These are a listing for three (1hr+ duration) sequential Dr. Who DNA Productions videos stories and two 40 minute Ryan K. Johnson produced FINISHED episodes along with the John Levene project. Arguably by some, the most notable is one fan film project that was guest starred by John (Anthony Blake) Levene. I wanted to list all these projects. I think that these fan video offerings consist of months of fan's hard work, fan money, fan group organization, and their contribution of each person's unique extraordinary talents. I think they deserve to be listed in Wikipedia. The Star Trek and Star Wars sections ALL already archive this fan films/video information. I do not think that these other genre sections have anything basicly different than the Dr. Who genre. Especially when I know that Dr Who fans have a longer and more honored record of making fan video tributes on the Internet. I could even say that the Dr Who's fan video tradition is older and longer than any other scifi genres mentioned. I don't think this information needs to be 'auditioned or reviewed' to be worthy of being listed here. Maybe the fact that you don't know or have little information on these fine exhisting fan film projects, is precisely the best reason to have this information listed here. It is so Dr Who fans become more knowledgable. Because, after all, this information seems to fit the mission statement of Wikipedia. Please think of these facts while considering archiving this video information. Thanks. 'Kay-9er'

Doctor Who audio releases

As another note, in case people aren't watching the articles - should Doctor Who audio productions and Doctor Who audio releases be merged, renamed, left alone, or what? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... Doctor Who audio productions is more of an essay on the subject, and Doctor Who audio releases is really a list. I think they're different enough that both can be kept, although I wonder if we should rename one of them to differentiate the two better. Since the Big Finish audios are listed at List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish, perhaps Doctor Who audio releases could become List of Doctor Who audio releases plain and simple, with the note I just added pointing people to the Big Finish list? —Josiah Rowe 08:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Title sequence article?

I just reverted an anon editor's addition of comments about the changes of title sequences from the List of Doctor Who serials article. The additions weren't particularly encyclopedic (the user thought that there was a tradition to signal a Doctor's last season by a change of title sequence, which as far as I know was merely something that happened coincidentally in Seasons 11 and 18), but it got me thinking that maybe we ought to have an article about the Doctor Who title sequences. It could include information about the howlaround and slit-scan techniques. I'm not really savvy enough to have much to add to such an article, but I might be able to find the info in Doctor Who reference books I've got around the house. Do other folks think this would be a useful addition, or is it too crufty? —Josiah Rowe 00:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds too crufty too me. However, as the title sequences (particularly the early work of Bernard Lodge) are often cited as innovative and unique, I think a subsection in the main Doctor Who article (or Doctor Who theme music?) might be good. Or perhaps in the various Doctor articles?--Sean Jelly Baby? 00:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I think a subsection in Doctor Who would be better than the Doctor articles, 'cause the major changes in the title sequence don't always correspond with changes in Doctor. Any other opinions? —Josiah Rowe 02:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe rename the Doctor Who theme music to ??? and include information about the title sequence and the theme music. --TimPope 17:54, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project

Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on Dr Who? I already have TARDIS down as a candidate, it looks A-class to me. Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Walkerma 21:45, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The three current featured articles are Doctor Who, Dalek and TARDIS. There may be some more candidates soon --TimPope 21:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Hmmm. Well, Doctor Who and Dalek are featured (as is TARDIS). I like History of Doctor Who and Doctor (Doctor Who), myself, but they've not yet been peer reviewed. Doctor Who theme music and Doctor Who missing episodes are decent too--Sean Jelly Baby? 21:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Big Finish Cover Scans

First post in this "group". I have been updating the Big Finish audio stories and was wondering if we could add some CD cover scans for them? I have uploaded one already but it's to big but i could edit that at a later date. (called BFDW74_live34_big.jpg)

I haven't got the skills to add it to the article myself and was wondering if the wisdom of the people here could help me.

Chris razorkiller2004 17:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The syntax you need is [[Image:blah.jpg|right|thumb|"caption"]]. I took the liberty of adding the one you uploaded to the article so you can see what I did. --TimPope 17:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'll add more when i have finished updating the stuff.

Chris razorkiller2004 17:43, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Clayton Hickman

How about adding information to the Clayton Hickman page? I have a feeling that with people into who they would like to know about the editor of DWM and designer of the BF covers.

Chris razorkiller2004 16:06, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Proposed new Doctorwhoproject template

I have created a page in the sandbox (Doctorwhoproject) which uses the Eccleston logo, probably better associated with the show now. Erm... what do you all think? Throup 16:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

This article is part of WikiProject Doctor Who, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Doctor Who on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

It's a bit on the large side (which was my original concern and why I used the McGann logo). But that being said, it's actually pretty good. What do the others think? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Where would this go? looks good. chris razorkiller2004 17:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)