Talk:Shakira

Hi! I find that the career part 2001-2005 doesn't mention anything about one of her biggest English singles "Whenever, wherever" that boosted her international career and her consecutive single "Underneath Your Clothes". Budiaman (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Vocal Ability

Whoever keeps deleting that, please stop. Shakira does have tremendous vocal ability! why are u guys deleting it?? If Christina AGuielra, Mariah carey etc has one, Shakira deserves one as well, especially after her MTV UNplugged performance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catsmartie (talk • contribs) 10:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Shakira does have a great vocal ability. In fact, she's a speech level singer just like Mariah Carey. She sings while she dances too so it's hard for people to tell since she's out of breath most of the time. --69.224.122.230 (talk) 04:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

'known for her intelligence'

Well that sentence in the introduction strikes me as quite odd, as most people would not associate 'intelligence' when someone mentions 'Shakira'. And IQ 140 is not so high that it would be an interesting fact on its own. Remove?

That's about 98th percentile.

I would think so. Nevertheless, the fact that she speaks five languages is not such a big deal, at least outside the US. --201.73.169.229 13:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

An IQ of 140 is above average, but not spectacular. Additionally, the citation for this "fact" is an entertainment magazine that anecdotally mentions how she "reportedly has an IQ of 140." Due to the irrelevance of the information and the lack of credible sources, I believe this reference should be removed. Brash 18:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Posting the referenced website for your edification: http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/051211/051211cover_shakira.html

Brash 18:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

how is that meant to edify me? 140 is considered 'genius level' and qualifies her for membeship in mensa. that is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Shakira's verbal IQ may be much higher than 140. IQ is a combined math/verbal measure-- but many people with a strong verbal IQ will score far lower in math. (People high in both verbal and math IQ are much more rare).

Hence Shakira's math/verbal average of 140 may be hiding a far higher verbal IQ-- if her math abilities are left out of the average.

The fact that she started writing poetry at age 4 also suggests that her verbal IQ (with the math score left out) is considerably higher than 140.

Sean7phil (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that singers cannot do good in math? Because, as explained, speaking 5 languages is not something uncommon. And how do you base this belief that mathematical and verbal abilities rarely walk together? From my experience innately smart people usually excel in several areas(if not most or all).. Those who excel in just one, do so because that was the one thing where they did relatively slightly better from beginning, and so they invested their time and energy on that area, eventually standing out. I also think that 140 is not espectacular, and Mensa too is not spectacular(they should only accept people above 160 :p). And I disapprove this culture of evaluating people based solely on their IQ anyways, even though I benefit from it :D Infinito (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Both only child AND older brother?

Currently, the article says both "She is the only child of Nidya del Carmen Ripoll Torrado, a Colombian of Spanish and Italian ancestry, and William Mebarak Chadid, of Lebanese descent." and "At the age of eight, after an older brother was killed in a motorcycle accident (she was only two when this happened), Shakira wrote her first song entitled "Tus gafas oscuras" ("Your dark glasses")." Was she an only child, or did she have an older brother? (It's possible that she had an older half-brother, and is the only child of Nidya and William. But that should be given with a reference.) Chip Unicorn (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps since her older brother died she became an only child (at age two).

24.8.106.182 (talk) 02:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

shes the only child of her mother, but her father was married to another woman before and had more children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.88.236.1 (talk) 01:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

can someone change the picture of her from the Walmart Meeting

find a more flattering picture --unsigned

Or at least explain it... it almost implies she is a major shareholder, which I assume is not true.

--AlanH (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed "She has a total of four,.. 51"

I removed "She has a total of four, the lowest one being number 51." from the last paragraph in the opening section (United world charts) because it makes zero sense. It probably made sense when looking at the charts, but it has no place being in the intro. --AlanH (talk) 01:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

charity auctioning

FWIW: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7242493.stm — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 03:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Descent

She is the youngest of eight siblings of Niday del Carmen Ripoll Torrado, a Colombian of Spanish and Italian ancestry, and William Mebarak Chadid, of Lebanese and Macedonian descent. If true, the source should be mentioned. I've been reading a few websites and comments, many of them talking about her Catalan mother and her Lebanese father. The surname Ripoll is certainly Catalan, so is her mother a Catalan migrant to Colombia or a Colombian with a Catalan father? Same thing for her father, is he a Colombian of Lebanese descent or a Lebanese migrant to Colombia? The whole sentence looks vague and unreliable. --Purplefire (talk) 11:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

True, Ripoll is 100% catalan. Trrado is Spanish, so there are few chances her mother is from Italy... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.50.20.193 (talk) 10:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Plaigurism?

I've heard that one of Shakira's songs sounds exactly like a Testament song, and was written significantly after the Testament song was written. I don't know which Testament song, or which of Shakira's songs, so if someone has more info on this that would be great. Sorry I don't know more about it, but I'm pretty sure there's something to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.71.212 (talk) 05:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

"How do you do" has the Lord's prayer in it (I think..) at the beginning but that's hardly plagiarism. 79.72.192.253 (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

anti-israel

dont delete the article people should know what she said(talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.80.93 ([[User talk:# Star-of-David92 |talk]])

Please see the WP:BLP requirements against defamation. The extremely questionable addition will rightly be deleted until it meets the sourcing requirements. Rumors have no place in Wikipedia.--Burzum (talk) 02:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

She definitely did not make those statements. Someone obviously has an ax to grind see http://www.adl.org/rumors/shakira.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.20.125 (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Clearly, a hoax. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 05:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

the N1 singles are false

Joeys112 (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC) the section "Number-one singles" is false, for example las de la intuicion was never a number one hit in Canada, Italy, France It didnt even chart in those country being a spanish song, and the rest of its peaks are absolutely wrong. Im not talking just about this song , many have false peak positions and what shows that this have been an act of "vandalism"; if you see the total number of n1 hits in each country and check the bottom of the column youll see that the numbers are wrong , for example europe, germany, portugal, japan ..

The "Sexuality" section

Please, could someone edit or delete that section? The majority of it seems to be based on opinion, which infringes upon the standards of Wikipedia. Also, it is sloppily written. On a personal note, I find the implication that the music video of "Whenever, Wherever" was Shakira's first to endear viewers very insulting. She was indisputably rolling out successful music videos LONG before then.

Rey sin corona (talk) 03:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been removed: see this edit. Thanks. Acalamari 15:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Songwriting and samples

I think the reason your contributions were repeatedly deleted was that they were totally unreferenced, and thus effectively your own point of view. Saying that they were "empirical observation" just underlines this, because you're really just saying "I listened to them and I think they sound the same". Putting this kind of material into Wikipedia will fall foul either of WP:NPOV or WP:NOR and someone will almost certainly revert it. And because it touches on the work of a living person, the article is a sensitive subject (see WP:BLP), so any suggestion of negative behaviour - thinly veiled accusations of plagiarism, for example - will almost certainly be reverted if it's not supported by credible references.

External link to ZotFish?

Hi, I was wondering if it would be appropriate for someone to add an external link to the ZotFish page for Shakira?. I believe it's of genuine interest to readers, but I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia policy and not post it myself -- more info on the site can be found at Mashable.

Zotman (talk) 03:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The site violates WP:ELNO and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY, and it does not enhance the article. It should not be added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

She is not Mezzo-soprano

She cannot go up high like Mariah Carey or like Jordin Sparks so please quit inserting Mezzo soprano for the love of God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waraujo20 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

She isn't a contralto either, so what is she? Tribal44 (talk) 21:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Race

A user is deleting the links to "White people" and "white latin american" in this article What's the consensus? should there be those links or are they irrelevant?. Pé de Chinelo (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)