An Indian TV channel is running campaign to select 7 wonders of India. In the process they have short listed the wonders of each state. [http://7wondersofindia.ndtv.com/]. These are fantastic lists. We Indian wikipedians should create at least a stub on wikipedia for each of the wonders if none existed. I wish I could see each of these wonders one day. [[User:Shyamsunder|Shyamsunder]] ([[User talk:Shyamsunder|talk]]) 18:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
An Indian TV channel is running campaign to select 7 wonders of India. In the process they have short listed the wonders of each state. [http://7wondersofindia.ndtv.com/]. These are fantastic lists. We Indian wikipedians should create at least a stub on wikipedia for each of the wonders if none existed. I wish I could see each of these wonders one day. [[User:Shyamsunder|Shyamsunder]] ([[User talk:Shyamsunder|talk]]) 18:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
==Indophobic paragraph==
Is this paragraph in [[Valentine's Day#India]] [[WP:NPOV|neutral]], or [[WP:UNDUE|balanced]] in any way, particularly given that the bulk of India's urban population enjoys valentine's day without much incident [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1820440.stm][http://www.stvalentinesday.org/valentines-day-in-india.html]?[[Special:Contributions/72.179.43.74|72.179.43.74]] ([[User talk:72.179.43.74|talk]]) 03:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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If you have suitable references you can always add Kailash Joshi to TiE, yourself! As for India-related articles being less in number or less featured I would only say that we need more dedicated editors, pitch in! ;) --Ekabhishek (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Something must have happened to him. Otherwise, why would an editor with 17,000+ edits would write 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiE' rather than '[[TiE]]'?--GDibyendu (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch! YM is right, I have signed above for the the IP editor 66.210.0.8 and seperated this topic to another heading section to avoid further confusion -- TinuCherian - 11:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Himachal Govt gets into trouble after using wikipedia map
I came across this article in yesterdays TOI about the Himachal govt using the File:India_roadway_map.svg in the official govt diary and coming under fire for not showing pok as a part of India. While this is the fault of the govt for not checking the map before publication as it is a criminal offense to print and distribute such maps in India (as well as a violation the creative commons license), i want to know the legal standing for those of us creating these maps. While we can argue that our maps are factually correct and show the truth, as a residing citizen of india, we must make sure that we dont go on the wrong side of the law. I have been checking with online texts on the law governing maps and also consulting a journalist to be sure. from what i was able to gather, 2(2) of the THE CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMENT ACT, 1961 is the most definite thing i could find:
2. Questioning the territorial integrity or frontiers of India in a manner prejudicial to the interests of safety and security of India. (1) Whoever by words either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation or otherwise, questions the territorial integrity or frontiers of India in a manner which is, or is likely to be, prejudicial to the interests of the safety or security of India, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
(2) 1 Whoever publishes a map of India, which is not in conformity with the maps of India as published by the Survey of India, shall be punishable with imprisonment which may be extend to six months, or with fine, or with both.
(3) No court shall take cognizance of an offence punishable under sub- section (2), except on a complaint made by the Government.
but this only deals with publishing which i guess would refer to a hard copy. Ive gone through the IT act of 2000 and there doesnt seem to be anything mentioned about maps at all. More research on the matter is needed --PlaneMad|YakYak10:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If Indian wikipedians are afraid to work on/touch such a map on WP, you can always ask anyone not residing in India to do that. --Ragib (talk) 08:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PlaneMad you are lucky that you live in India, a democratic country with lax laws and no censorship. If it was China...by now you would have been abducted from your house and "disappeared"!!! BTW, you should post this at this at the WP Community portal or Jimbo's talk page to get a wider perspective. This is a serious query which pertains to all Indian Wikipedians. --KnowledgeHegemonytalk09:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In law, the term "publication" retains its original meaning, namely, making something available to the public. It doesn't have to be in hard copy, putting something online can also be "publication." See e.g. S. 67 of the IT Act, which specifically talks about pornography "published in electronic form". So putting a map on a website is definitely "publication" for the purpose of Indian law. The fact that the servers where the publication takes place are outside India is unlikely to be much of a defence. I suppose the comfort lies in S. 2(3) of the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1961, which requires a complaint by the Government - this, usually, means either the Central Government or a State Government. -- Arvind (talk) 15:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
thats a bit of a dampner to hear, but i guess there is still hope. An official survey of India map of Kashmir looks like this, so the maps here actually have all the details of the official maps, in addition to more information. when i have not hid any detail that is available in an official map, how can it still be nonconformance? btw does anyone have any idea of what exactly an official map of kashmir looks like, with district details? what do they show on the pok side? --PlaneMad|YakYak17:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... when I view the picture in its full size in Firefox or Seamonkey, the dotted line separating POK from Pakistan (and Aksai Chin from China) isn't shown - i.e., POK and Aksai Chin are shown as being part of Pakistan and China, respectively. I've just noticed that it displays fine in Opera, though. That issue apart, I think the issue will lie mainly in the colouring, which replicates the colouring for territories not part of India, rather than being the same shade as India. I'm not sure exactly what view a court will take, though - I don't think this issue has ever come up for trial before. -- Arvind (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User:Yousaf465 can add Pakistani allegations of Indian terrorism to the article, but the tone must be strictly neutral. After all Pakistan's allegations aren't supported by any country in the world, including the USA. Maybe we should mention that they are nothing more than false counter-allegations as none of them have proved to be true-RavichandarMy coffee shop11:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We have an article about an Indian spiritual leader. Her followers generally call her "Shri Mataji" or "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi". Her legal name is Nirmala Srivastava, and that's where we have the article now. FWIW, her husband is also notable, Chandrika Prasad Srivastava. An editor has suggested that we should move the article to the subject's spiritual name. The Google hits are 375 for "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" and 245 for "Nirmala Srivastava". I'm confused by the various naming conventions and precedents, which indicate we should include honorifics, should use the most common name, and allow for articles like Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha. A thread on the topic is at Talk:Nirmala Srivastava#Rename. Any thoughts? Will Bebacktalk07:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought Wikipedia has decided long before NOT to include such honorifics. For example, when referring to Muhammad, no prefix ("Hazrat") or suffix ("PBUH") are added. I do not see why Nirmala Devi should be treated differently. Her followers may choose to use "Sri" or whatever honorific before her name, but that would still be a honorific. Just as there is a very large consensus against using honorific suffix/prefixes before Muhammad, we need to trim all such mentions, even if commonly used in the media of her country. --Ragib (talk) 08:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
India: start Roman Catholicism in India (as of October 2007), has more references and better organization than the class C (a higher grade) example Exeter Cathedral (as of June 2008).
As you will notice at the top of the quality scheme, the assessment dept. is working to update the grading scheme still - this is near the top of the "to-do" list; I'm expecting we'll be ready to update the examples in the next fortnight. To avoid confusion however, I will remove the problem examples. Please also note that India will have its own article as an example for stub to B-class - Exetor was not approved by the dept. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, I'm not exactly a project member, but I do a lot of WP:UNCAT which gets a lot of India articles written by brand-new editors (who don't know how to or bother to categorise), so our interests cross over.
I'm seeing this Maratha 96k Clans article, and to my American eye it looks the same thing as Maratha clan system, but the editors don't acknowledge any Discussion or messages on their Talk, and keeping adding POV and non-Wiki commentary about the various clans to the 96K article (which isn't as good at the "clan system" article).
Just thought you gents might take a look and maybe sort folks out, as I'm really unfamiliar with the subject. I don't envy your work here, as at a few points I've tried to help with new editors and hit major CoI issues where I have to explain "look, I'm not saying you're wrong for saying your group is descended from an avatar of a Hindu god, I'm just saying that it's a bit of a big claim with no easy way to prove." So kudos to you for tackling this very broad region, and for keeping up the quality of the Subcontinental articles that have been lacking up until now. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From what it appears to me, the former article is a fork of the latter. The Maratha clan system encompasses the 96 clans anyways. Furthermore, the former article was started as early as 16 January 2009. Merge is the answer, IMHO. Mspraveen (talk) 03:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems this guy, Yousaf, has no other job than spewing anti-India hatred. While it would be most welcome if he could recommend an increase in Pakistan related FAs being featured on the main page, instead, Yousaf only wants a decrease in India-related FAs. -RavichandarMy coffee shop06:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never claimed he did. And I feel it would have been better if he had requested more participation in improving Pakistan-related FAs than complaining about a pro-India bias. Patriotism could be beneficial only if it fosters constructive competition.-RavichandarMy coffee shop15:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Recognition of Khudabadi Script for Sindhi Language
"The Sindhi is an ancient language, over seventy percent of sindhi words are Sanskrit. The fact, that the sindhi is mostly written into Arabic script, gives some people, the impression that it is a Persio-Arabic tongue. Even 300 years, after the Arab conquest, at the time of Mohd. Ghaznavi, Al-Biruni, the historian, found the sindhi in three scripts – Ardhanagri, Saindhu and Malwari, all of, variations of Devnagri. When British arrived, they found, the Pandits writing sindhi in Devnagri, Hindu women were using Gurmukhi, Govt. Servants, some kind of Arabic script and traders keeping their business records in an entirely unknown script called Khudabadi (which was later known as Vaniki or Hatvaniki or Hatkai).
In this connection, it is to be noted that the Khudabadi Sonara Community, while residing in Khudabad, around 1750, felt it necessary to invent a very simple script so that they can send written messages to their relations, who were living far away from them in their own home towns. This necessity mothered the invention/creation of a new script. The new script had no vowels and no grammar and to be written from left to right (like Sanskrit) and continued to be in use for very long period of time among Khudabadi Sonara Community. Due to its simplicity, the use of this script spread very quickly and got acceptance in other sindhi communities, for sending written communications. Because it was originated from Khudabad, it was called Khudabadi script. The sindhi traders started maintaining their accounts and other business books in this new script and therefore, later, the Khudabadi script became known as Vaniki, Hatvaniki or Hatkai script. Suddenly, the knowledge of Khudabadi script became an important criterion for employing new persons who intend to go to Sindhwark (overseas), so that their business accounts and books can be kept secret from foreign people and government officials. Very soon, the Khudabadi Script became very popular, in Sindh, to the extent that the schools started teaching the Sindhi Language in Khudabadi script. The British scholars found the Sindhi Language Sanskritic and said that the Devnagri script would be suitable for it, which the govt. servants, many of whom were Hindus, favoured the Arabic script, since they did not know Devnagri and had to learn it anew. A big debate started, with Capt. Burton favouring the Arabic script and Capt. Stack favouring Devnagri. Sir Bartle Frere, the Commissioner of Sindh, then, referred the matter to the Court of Directors of British East India Company, which directed that:
1. The Sindhi Language in Arabic Script for govt. office use, on the ground that muslim names could not be written in Devnagri.
2. The Education Department should give the instructions to the schools in the script of sindhi which can meet the circumstance and prejudices of the Mohammadan and Hindu. It is thought necessary to have Arabic Sindhi Schools for Mohammadan where the Arabic Script will be employed for teaching and to have Hindu Sindhi Schools for Hindus where the Khudabadi Script will be employed for teaching.
It proves the important significance of Khudabadi Script of Sindhi Language. But Khudabadi (also known as Vaniki, Hatvaniki or Hatkai) script of sindhi language could not further progressed due to absence of vowels and grammar, but, it still remained limited to the traders only, who continued to maintain their business records in this script till partition, 1947.
July 1853, Sir Richard Burton, an orientalist, with the help of local scholars Munshi Thanwardas and Mirza Sadiq Ali Beg evolved a 52-Letter Sindhi Alphabet. Since, the Arabic script could not express Sindhi Sounds, a scheme of dots was worked out for the purpose. As a result, the Sindhi Script today, not only has all its own sounds, but, also all the four Z`s of Arabic.The present script predominantly used in Sindh as well as in many states in India and else, where migrants sindhi have settled, is Arabic in Naksh styles having fifty two alphabets. However, in some circles in India, Devnagri is used for writing sindhi. Government of India recognised both the scripts." www.sindhilanguage.com/script.html and many other sites confirm above fact. I am 68 years old and had been the president of Khudabadi Sindhi swarankar (Sonara) community for many years. I had a golden opportunity to be with my father, uncles and grandfather and gone with them to attend many social gatherings, meetings and functions. There had been always discussion about the origin and history of the community and Khudabadi Script for sindhi language. I totally agree with above facts that the Khudabadi Script was originated from the community and was later known as Hatkai, when it was mainly used by shopkeepers.The meaning of Hatkai is "for the Shopkeeper".
An Indian TV channel is running campaign to select 7 wonders of India. In the process they have short listed the wonders of each state. [6]. These are fantastic lists. We Indian wikipedians should create at least a stub on wikipedia for each of the wonders if none existed. I wish I could see each of these wonders one day. Shyamsunder (talk) 18:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
