Talk:Relapse (Eminem album)

Crack a Bottle

The final version of crack a bottle featuring Dr. Dre and 50 Cent is out. Its for relapse and it IS called crack a bottle. its not called number one like i said before.. Source: http://www.rapbasement.com/audio/eminem-ft.-dr-dre-crack-a-bottle-final.html --Shadygeneral (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not 100% confirmed for Relapse, but MTV said it is "most likely" to be on the album.[1] SE KinG. User page. Talk. 23:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

According to MTV, "Crack A Bottle" will be included on 50 Cent's "Before I Self Destruct," but the article did not mention whether or not it will be absent on "Relapse." (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1604490/20090206/50_cent.jhtml) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proverbialwisdom (talk • contribs) 21:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Well,now that it's out i think it will be the 1st Single off Eminem's album(Reason- Lots of websites say it, 50's trying to cash in on Em's hit (Pure 50 Centish thing to do!,Look at its SUCCESS usually a promo single or a normal song doesn't do this,It Features Some other good artists (Dr.Dre) and (50 Cent)!) Please explain the Three Headed Monster Story,really confused,or is just some Shit that 50 cent said for attention?

The second half needs a re-work.

The second half of the article is currently a mess. All sorts of junks, irrelevant quotes and POV content are present and read like a blog rather than an encyclopedia. I've tried to do this and initially included the following version directly into the article. Perhaps it was a bit too rushed of a decision and needs more discussion here. I'd like to see what you guys think of the following section replacing the current "Music" section and how it can be improved otherwise. Please bear in mind that not every trivial information found should be included in the article, but only what is relevant for the album Relapse. Thanks! Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 07:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Recording and production

Various record producers have associated themselves with the recording of Relapse. Dr. Dre, executive producer for Eminem's last five studio albums, had originally stated in September 2007 his intention to dedicate two months in the production of the album. Other producers who have claimed to be involved with the project include Focus and DJ Premier, who also stated that a song named "Keys to the City" would appear on the upcoming album. In November 2008, Swizz Beatz claimed too that he had worked with Eminem over a sequel to the song "Stan". Nonetheless, the rapper would later deny this during an interview for Billboard, stating that Swizz Beatz was not involved in the production of Relapse. In the same interview, Eminem affirmed that Dr. Dre would end up producing for much of the album as rapper 50 Cent announced in November 2008. 50 Cent also stated that the death of Eminem's close friend and fellow rapper Proof in 2006 was an inspiration on the record's material, adding that Eminem "has some really serious things to write about that he didn't quite get a chance to express". Eminem too confirmed that the departed rapper would be a theme to the album, with at least one song dealing with Proof's death. Otherwise, Eminem described the music as "definitely more upbeat" than before, adding that he had become a happier person and had learn to cope with the friend's loss.

Although neither record label Interscope Records or Eminem have confirmed any recordings to be set on Relapse as of January 2009, some songs have received coverage from the media as being reported as possible tracks for the album. During a party for the release of the rapper's autobiography The Way I Am, Eminem previewed to the audience a song called "I'm Having a Relapse". As well, an unfinished version of the song "Crack a Bottle" leaked in December 2008, while the complete version, featuring Dr. Dre and 50 Cent, surfaced on January 6 of the following year. While various reports suggested that both tracks may be included on Relapse, other ones indicated that unclear if either song is destined for the album.

Early indications of guest appearances came in May 2007, when rapper T.I. stated that he and Eminem had recorded together three songs, one of which being a song dealing with the two rappers' respective alter egos T.I.P. and Slim Shady. Such song was intended to be used by Eminem. Other possible appearances include 50 Cent, who in an interview with Loaded stated he too had recorded a track with Eminem for Relapse. In addition, according to Stat Quo, rapper Jay-Z will also feature on Relapse in a song titled "My Syllielable".

That's good but, how about something like this:

Recording and production

Various producers have associated themselves with the recording of Relapse. Dr. Dre, executive producer for Eminem's last five studio albums, had originally stated in September 2007 his intention to dedicate two months in the production of the album. Other producers who have claimed to be involved with the project include Focus... and DJ Premier, the latter of whom also stated that a song named "Keys to the City" would appear on the upcoming album.

In November 2008, Swizz Beatz also claimed that he had worked with Eminem on a sequel to the song "Stan". Nonetheless, the rapper would later deny this during an interview for Billboard, stating that Swizz Beatz was not involved in the production of Relapse. In the same interview, Eminem affirmed that Dr. Dre would end up producing for much of the album as rapper 50 Cent announced in November 2008. 50 Cent also stated that the death of Eminem's close friend and fellow rapper Proof, in 2006, was an inspiration on the record's material, adding that Eminem "has some really serious things to write about that he didn't quite get a chance to express". Eminem too confirmed that the departed rapper would be a theme to the album, with at least one song dealing with Proof's death. Otherwise, Eminem described the music as "definitely more upbeat" than before, adding that he had become a happier person and had learn to cope with the friend's loss.

Although neither record label Interscope nor Eminem have confirmed any recordings to be set on Relapse as of January 2009, some songs have received coverage from the media as being possible tracks for the album. During a party for the release of the rapper's autobiography The Way I Am, Eminem previewed to the audience a song called "I'm Having a Relapse". As well, an unfinished version of the song "Crack a Bottle" leaked in December 2008, while the complete version, featuring Dr. Dre and 50 Cent, surfaced on January 6 of the following year. While various reports suggested that both tracks may be included on Relapse, others indicated it is unclear if either song is destined for the album.

Early indications of guest appearances came in May 2007, when rapper T.I. stated that he and Eminem had recorded together three songs, one of which being a song dealing with the two rappers' respective alter egos T.I.P. and Slim Shady. Such song was intended to be used by Eminem. Other possible appearances include 50 Cent, who in an interview with Loaded stated he too had recorded a track with Eminem for Relapse. In addition, according to former labelmate Stat Quo, rapper Jay-Z will also feature on Relapse in a song titled "My Syllielable".

I just did a few fixes, but I think there was more here that could be a little more relevant, like I do think "Music" was a good heading, with "Production", then "Guest" below. Obie Trice and DMX's possible track might be of importance, just as Bishop Lamont's quote of being featured. Just my opinions. But the rest, Bizarre's statements, the "health" concerns and such, not needed, as you said. But overall, it looks pretty good. --HELLØ ŦHERE 18:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I noticed your changes and I agree with most of them except a couple. First, I don't think piping record producer is appropriate in this case, as the term producer can be ambiguous even in the field of music (for example, it may refer to executive producer, record producer, hip hop producer). As well, I don't understand the reason for breaking up the paragraph, as they both fit the theme of production. In fact, the first paragraph ends with DJ Premier talking about a possible song "Keys to the City", while the other one begins with Swizz Beatz claiming a so-called "Stan 2".

In regards to your comments, I don't think "Music" is a good header as it's very generic, since the whole article is about a music album. If we were to have a "guest" subheading, this would be only a mere paragraph short, which isn't recommended per WP:MOS. As well, the presence of any guests should be included in the recording section. For the Obie Trice and DMX's possible track, I don't think that this can be considered very much reliable per WP:RS. Finally for Bishop Lamont is an obvious violation of our neutral point of view policy.

Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 00:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I can agree with most of that. The only reason I pipe linked was because no matter what it says it links to the correct place, you know? And the only reason I broke up the paragraph was because it seemed to run on. but overall I seem to agree, the only thing I don't understand is the Lamont thing? --HELLØ ŦHERE 00:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, the quote itself doesn't really state he might appear on Relapse. All he seems to be talking about is a possible collaboration between him and Eminem for Lamont's album The Reformation, so I do not think it is anyway relevant for this article. In addition, statements like "Em's got a crazy album, I can say that!" are not appropriate as they are bias, since Bishop Lamont is Eminem's employee after all, and clearly not in the position to make a neutral judgement. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 01:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it's MUCH better written than the current article. The only thing that you messed up on was the line "Dr. Dre, executive producer for Eminem's last five studio albums...". He was executive producer for Eminem's last four albums actually.--Swellman (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, you are correct, I don't know how we both missed that. --HELLØ ŦHERE 01:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 01:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

So is this good to go? Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 01:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe so, and I can understand about the Bishop quote, although, if it were for Em's album, you're aware we don't have to add the entire quote ha ha. But yes, I believe it's good to go. --HELLØ ŦHERE 02:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Does it look good now? Or should we move the "album title" section lower down? Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 02:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I would think so since album titles aren't very important. I just hope no one messes with the article now that it's fixed. Could this possibly get re-rated on the quality scale to get good article status? 71.2.13.217 (talk) 04:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The article shouldn't really have a rating until it is released and we can add things like reception, chart performance, track listing, credits etc.. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 18:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

True. 71.2.13.217 (talk) 02:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

It Has To Be From The Album

There must be so sources to prove that this on the album Relapse, It's number one on the charts right now, no single that's just a promotional recording would be a worldwie hit. It just has to be true, we need to find some sources proving this. Hometown Kid (talk) 10:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the decision to feature a particular song on an album is that black-and-white.. Kraid (talk) 17:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem with "Crack a Bottle" is that reliable sources often seem to contradict each other every other day. Many sources say it will be on this album, while other recent ones that it will be on 50 Cent's album Before I Self Destruct. Now some say that it will be on both. There clearly is confusion on the matter, so until then the scenario is crystal clear I don't think feeding on one side of the speculation is appropriate. The article does mention the song and I believe for that is fine. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 23:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

September Release?

Found these two sources regarding this statement. Thoughts? http://punk.bz/2009/02/12/both-eminem-and-nas-are-coming-out-with-new-albums/ AND http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489885,00.html ~~planes~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.209.232.147 (talk) 04:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

From the Fox News source: "I’m told he will release two new albums come September. They are tentatively titled “Relapse” and “Relapse 2.”" Wow that rumor comes literally out of nowhere -- Coasttocoast (talk) 22:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Got bored

How long we will wait for his album ? H'm wating from 2006 to now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.235.155 (talk) 00:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

18TH MAY 2009 IS YOUR ANSWER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.146.124 (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Get Hyped again! Eminem's 'Relapse' will drop May 19 2009 but first... Eminem's Relapse First Official Single will drop on April 7!!

chech this out http://www.freep.com/article/20090306/ENT04/903060331/+Relapse++is+hip-hop+s+first+test+in+2009 Get EXITED AGAIN! AND RELAPSE 2 IS NOT A JOKE! ITS DOUBLE TRAT! BOOYEAH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.138.126 (talk) 17:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

New tweaks for body article.

As Interscope announced their plans for the album, I felt that a bit of work was needed for the article, especially to standardize it with most albums. Please feel free to check it out the new version at my sandbox and feel free to make some comments here on whether it's an improvement to the current version and also feel free to edit the page yourself to do any corrections so that we can add this to the article. Thanks, Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 04:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

"I'm having a relapse" and "Crack a bottle" confirmed?

On http://www.eminem.com/ you can listen to "I'm having a relapse" and "Crack a bottle" right under the lettering "Relapse". I think that this is a clear sign for those tracks to be on the album, even a confirmation. Should we add those to a possible track list or include them in the article? What do you guys think about this? --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Even if they are confirmed, two or three tracks should not constitute a "tracklist" section. We've discussed it previously. --HELLØ ŦHERE 19:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

That's an argument, but IF they are confirmed, we should list them somewhere or atleast give them another status then tracks such as "My Syllielable". --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure they are mentioned at some point in the article. They at least were at one point. --HELLØ ŦHERE 19:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of that. I ment that we should at least give them an own section. --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe an entire section is needed for a couple songs. That's why they would have their own article, such as CaB. And if they are released as singles, we'll have a "singles" section, and talk more in depth about them there. But for now, the fact that they're just confirmed, they don't warrant their own section. --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

No tracklist table until album is released or it is entirely published by a reliable source

I just hoped to get consensus on this before it gets out of hand. I've seen way to many of these kind of articles where users try to group a dozen of sources to come up with a track listing. And, they often end up being wrong too. What often happens is that an artist may announce a song, but then he and the record label will review and select other tracks for the album, often right at the end. By putting our "confirmed songs" table, it makes look like that is something definite when it often is not. We can simply mention, elaborate these songs in prose in a "Songs" section. This will also help to build that section. So, what are your opinions? Thanks, Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 23:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The queation is what we define as a "reliable source". You've said that even the artist himself is not that reliable, because he or the label can overthrow his tracklist, and if we can't thrust Em, who should we thrust instead? --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:RS deals with those matters. I very much agree with User:Udonknome. Songs should not be in a tracklist format until all songs are confirmed to be in some type of order. Even look at the Before I Self Destruct article. A tracklist was released, then several other songs became "confirmed". --HELLØ ŦHERE 22:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Couldn't agree more! :) Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 00:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Release Date

The album is going to be released on May 15, 2009 in Italy, and May 19, global. Considering that most Wikipedia users are american, we should keep it as May 19, unless we list both. Whoever keeps changing to May 15, either list both, or stop. Kiraisgod666 (talk) 00:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No, we're going by WP policy. Which clearly states, the first release date be listed. --HELLØ ŦHERE 00:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Please read Template:Infobox_Album#Released, as JpGrB stated. Thanks, Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 00:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I've seen both original release dates for one country AND global release dates both listed many times. Kiraisgod666 (talk) 00:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't you just read the link I posted? Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 00:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, those pages are incorrect. I know I myself have "discussed" this several times with other users. I know in one such instance, we decided to use the first release in the infobox, then in the lead put both the first followed by the U.S. I did not like this, so I would not support it here. --HELLØ ŦHERE 00:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry I didn't see that link, but I think that Wikipedia's policy should be to list both, or multiple, It's confusing to people who don't live in the country, and it pisses me off. Sorry, I just wanted to make Wikipedia more helpful to everyone, not just dirty Italians... Damn. Kiraisgod666 (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a horrible thing to say. It's Wikipedia policy, not "American citizen policy". We are here to serve the world, not just Americans. --HELLØ ŦHERE 00:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

And plus, it's also useful for Americans. For example, a guy from New York could simply go to the Italian iTunes Store and purchase the album on the 15th rather than four days later. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 01:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we should put 5/19/09, with one of those little American flags. And put 5/15/09 with an Italian flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zypo (talk • contribs) 00:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure on that guideline, but I'm fairly certain flag icons have become depreciated. In the infobox template it clearly states to only use the first release date. I don't know why people are having such a hard time with this. This isn't the "American Wikipedia", it's the "English Wikipedia", as in, anyone that speaks the English language. Not British, not american, but what is considered English. And that is many nations around the world, not just America. --HELLØ ŦHERE 10:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Even the OFFICIAL eminem website says 5/19/09. If we put 15th, we just look stupid. It will be released to more people on the 19th than it will be on the 15th, and it's on Eminem's OFFICIAL website. How much more back-up do you need? Thedevilspoon (talk) 18:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not about "looking stupid"? The fact is that the album will be released into the world on May 15, 2009; it comes out worldwide on the 19th, but it will verifiably be available beforehand. Following Wikipedia's guidelines (see the documentation for album Infoboxes), the earliest known release date is the one used by the Infobox. Kraid (talk) 19:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

There is no doubt in my mind that the album that this album will be pushed back. It's Aftermath... SE KinG. User page. Talk. 21:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha. That is very true SE. I don't necessarily wanna believe it, but it probably will happen. --HELLØ ŦHERE 21:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the sense behind this discussion. The worldwide release date stands in the second line of the article, where every idiot can read it. So it is not necessary to put it in the infobox. --DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 22:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Well it's there now because I added it after posting here earlier. Kraid (talk) 02:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)