Talk:Apple Bandai Pippin

Bad title

Even though the Apple Pippin is "the world's worst game console", this article shouldn't have this title. Peter O. (Talk) 02:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC) It's now moved back. Peter O. (Talk) 02:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Missing information

Where are the high end exercise treadmills that came equipped with the Pippin hosting a web browser? I saw them at product launch. - Sparky 15:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Applejack

Is the Applejack interface in any way derived from the USB, or are the connectors just superficially similar? boffy_b 11:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The connector predates USB by a year or two, and is completely different. It's only similarity is a rectangular shape.

--Flightsoffancy (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

See Also section

I changed the text that said "see also" to a correctly capitalized header, and changed the Apple, Inc. text into a link.

Icktoofay 05:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Made in Ireland

I notice the pictured Pippin says this on the back - where they all made in Ireland, or was it just prototype models of them? I know Apple has/had a production facility in Ireland (Cork I think). --Zilog Jones 21:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The Atworld and @mark was made in Japan, the Katz KMP2000 was in Ireland, as well as some accessories.

--Flightsoffancy (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"and ran a cut-down version of the Mac OS"

False, the o.s. was cut-down System 7, the first Mac OS (System 8) was only released in 1998. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.68.29 (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the first “Mac OS” was 7.6 (which still wasn't what the Pippin used.) It was also the first time Apple charged everyone for system software :-(. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

=Other Titles

It is my belief that the encyclopedic voice disapears when it is said "as mentioned before". Is there a way to rephrase this?--Nblschool (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Major Pippin salesman and collector start contributing.

Hello everyone.

I was involved in pippin since nearly the beginning. I became a sales man and wrote a very long, a precursor of the Blog, new page. I have most of the Pippin accessories as well as about 60% of all the pippin titles made, 100 in my possession. I have 3 pippins, one is the KMP2000, perhaps the most rare console ever for a NON-prototype.

I will being adding my experience, which unfortunately has little media backup, but I can provide other evidence as desired.

The story needs to be told. Cheers! --Flightsoffancy (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

OOOOOKAY! I did MAJOR, MAJOR work on the Pippin page. Everything I typed can be corroborated, but with paper material and pictures. I will continue to add little bits at a time, but the foundation is set. IF you question something, DISCUSS FIRST. If I cant prove it, then allow me to change it. If you have more to add, please do.

The CPU is the 603, not 603e. slowest of all the PPC's cpu's used by Apple. Cheers! --Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Aw come on, man. The 603 wasn't THAT bad compared to the 601, give the poor little guy a break. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

"Bandai Pippin", or just "Pippin" is appropriate, not Apple Pippin

Apple never made the Pippin, but the OS and ROM was Apple. Bandai made it, it was advertised as such, so it is in fact a BANDAI Pippin. Alternatively, it can be called simply "Pippin" (The front of the Pippin says "advanced technology by Apple Computer") --Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

PowerPC 603 and relation to latest VGC

Guy Harris:
The PowerPC 603 later became the 603e, and with changes in the cache structure became the PPC750, aka PowerPC G3 (and some Power Mac upgrades simply replaced the 603 with PPC 740 (G3), which in turn was developed to the G4 with the addition of the AltiVec. It does become difficult to trace the versions, but it is reasonable to say that aspects of the 603 eventually resulted in the VGC CPUs.

Thank you for doing better grammar on description. If the above information helps to trace the lineage between Pippin and (say) Xbox, please add to as needed. --Flightsoffancy (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

What are "VGC CPUs"? The GameCube, at least according to its Wikipedia page, has a 750-based "Gekko" CPU; the PS3 has a Cell processor, the PPE of which might be 603/7xx-derived but which also has the additional processor elements; the Xbox 360 has a Xenon processor which, again, might be 603/7xx-derived. For the latter two, at least, a citation is necessary. Guy Harris (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

PowerPC_G3#Processors clearly states the Nintendo GameCube and possibly Wii is based on the 750, the descendant of the the 603. Now to find Xbox and PS3... --Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The PPE and Xenos (spelling?) are in-order CPUs, while the 603 is some kind of tagged out of order CPU - IOW quite different. I therefore strongly doubt that they're 603 derivates, POWER6 OTOH is also in-order so the PPE might be a derivate of that chip.--Anss123 (talk) 08:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

He's right, all G3 and later chips are directly descended from the 603. The 604-based “Habanero” half of the G3 line (for desktops) was killed when Apple decided the laptop-focussed, 603-based PPC 740's astonishing performance was “good enough.” Admittedly, some parts of Habanero were cobbled together with the G3 to make the G4, and some features from the POWER4 were combined with the G4 during the G5's design, but the entire G3/4/5 series is mostly an evolution of the 603's minimalistic design.

As for modern consoles, Gekko/Broadway is just a die-shrunk G3, while Cell and Xenon are refabs using drop-in G5 cores (yes, even SPE, which is yet another name for AltiVec/VE/VMX.) 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Move back to Bandai Pippin

I posted a few weeks ago this is a BANDAI Pippin.

I understand the belief it is an Apple product, but it never was that. This is truly a BANDAI product, made FOR Bandai, in Japan, with Bandai related software. Please do not bounce this back.--Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone make an argument for Apple Bandai Pippin? If not, I will get this moved back to Bandai Pippin, which seems more accurate. Rhindle The Red (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I have yet to find any photos of a Pippin's with any Apple labeling anywhere on it, so that counts against it. On the "for it" side, there are reviews in periodicals that refer to it as the Apple Pippin, and Apple used to have a a support page on their site at http://www.info.apple.com/pippin/, which has since been taken down. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Just plain “Pippin” seems like the least flamey choice to me. 72.235.10.209 (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)