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Please see my reply to your blocking Greg from his talkpage here [1]. Ripberger (talk) 05:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied. AdjustShift (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absent a clear and compelling reason to keep the ban in place, I plan to change this. See User_talk:Thekohser. ++Lar: t/c 14:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Refactored from User_talk:Lar per my policy) I think Thekohser/MyWikiBiz should be allowed to edit one talkpage. AdjustShift (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to lift the block on the talk page of Thekohser. Can I? AdjustShift (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're certainly technically capable of doing it. I believe it is within policy to do so as well... blocking user talk pages is an admin discretion thing. So I think you should go ahead and do so. Thanks for taking the decision to do it. ++Lar: t/c 15:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input, Lar. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 15:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You too, and thanks again! ++Lar: t/c 16:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Molobo

As an admin, I'd like to request a copy of this "secret evidence" :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll not be closing the SPI case. The case has been deferred to the CUs. AdjustShift (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has told you specifically not to close (at least I have not, heck my last message to you was a suggestion on how to close as it would have been your first close), you can close it if you wish. I believe that there is an email to functionaries-l, and this has also been forwarded to arbcom (because of the existing case). I don't think a close of this case would be a good idea though without arbcom's endorsement of the result as there is an active case going and molobo has been around for quite a while. —— nix eagle^{email me} 03:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what does this have to do with my request? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. My question is simple, and so should be your answer: "Yes, here you go" or "No, I'll not give you the evidence (that other admins have seen) because...". Please chose one of those and give me proper reply :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes you can't answer questions in yes/no, my dear. You've to wait for sometime. When the right time comes, you will see the off-wiki evidences. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 12:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am disappointed in your cryptic responses. I asked you a very simple question, you are refusing to answer. Please see my comment here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The evidences are still being discussed on the functionaries list. There was no need to raise this at AN. I told you that when the right time comes, you will see the off-wiki evidences. AdjustShift (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus: I think AdjustShift gave you the best answer that can be given right now. I'm not directly involved in the investigation but from seeing discussion, I know it's not run of the mill, and these things sometimes take time to work through. Sorry if that's confusing, but please don't give Adj. a hard time about it, ok? Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 16:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Piotruś, you know well that people are reluctant to let you, out of all people, see the secret evidence, because you have an age-old track record of protecting Molobo. I guess people feel that if they forward this stuff to you, they might just as well forward it straight to Molobo. Please don't pretend not to know or understand this. Had you been less protective of Molobo in the last years, you might not be out of the loop now. --Thorsten1 (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All I see is bad faith :( And I will keep on standing up for the underdogs and against witch trials, no matter how unpopular that makes me. I am not on Wikipedia to win a popularity contest. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Claude H. Van Tyne

On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Claude H. Van Tyne, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BABEL

I gather that English is not your native language. Please consider BABEL templates to indicate this in your userboxes - they also help of one wants to send you sources or such in non-English language. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

English is not my native language, but I may speak American. :-) I can't use BABEL templates because of privacy concerns. On the English-language Wikipedia, I use sources in the English language only. AdjustShift (talk) 12:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotruś: An interesting request in the context of AdjustShift's handling of a Polish POV hothead... If AdjustShift put up a German, Russian, Hebrew or Yiddish Babel template, that would be great, wouldn't it? But come to think of it, anything else than pl-5 should be enough to base a conspiracy theory on... :-D Seriously, not everybody wears their ethnic identity like a badge. Outside Eastern Europe, this isn't such a hot topic any more. --Thorsten1 (talk) 18:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a horrible assumption of bad faith on your part Thorsten1.radek (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

1-Is this your first SPI case ?
2-You commented that you are not neutral. Shouldn't the clerk remain neutral ?
3-Why did you congratulate Scinurae for "evidence" without waiting for my comments and defence ?
4-Why was "super sekret evidence" provided to a user with history of team taging with Scinurae against Polish users ?
5-As I understand you are not experienced with Wikipedia-as you are from August 2008, correct ?

--Molobo (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1) Yes, it is.
2) I'm neutral. We live in a beautiful planet called Earth, where 6,783,421,727 people live (as of May 31 2009). I'm one of them; you are one of them.
3) Scinurae's evidences are solid; that's why.
4) As far as I know Scinurae and Deacon of Pndapetzim are not against Polish users.
5) I joined since August 2008, but I'm experienced.

If you've any more questions, you can ask me. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 17:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I would request then another person to handle this case, as you admit you are not neutral and take side of Scinurae. You are obviously also inexperienced in conflicts that went on the Wikipedia involving those two users and overall situation regarding disputes and manipulating evidence. I am also sorry to say that you have shown prejudice against Eastern European editors: Yes, editors fight. But, these Eastern European editors, they fight whenever they get a chance.[2] I will trust a neutral, experienced clerk. Somebody who from the start congratulates one of the sides and states comments based on ethnic profiling is not somebody that I can trust to have just judgment. --Molobo (talk) 17:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molobo, I don't discriminate against anyone. Eastern Europeans, Asians, Africans ... we are all humans. I'm talking about the attitude of certain Eastern European editors on en.wikipedia. Yes, some of them fight whenever they get a chance. AdjustShift (talk) 17:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I judge people on the basis of merit, not on the basis of where they come from. Some Americans are good, some Americans are bad; Some Germans are good, some Germans are bad; and so on. AdjustShift (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AdjustShift: how can I believe if you are telling me you are neutral, but on the user page write with a smile that you are not[3].YO are also giving "secret evidence" manufactured by Scinurea to people who he edit warred against other Polish users with long history of disputes with Polish community(including Arbcom). I apologize AdjustShift-no matter your good intentions this does not build confidence. I realize how messed up Wikipedia is, and it is a devious place, you might be fooled even if you have good intentions and I am afraid you are too trusting and too prone to influence. For example-you do realise Scinurae has collagues in Poland who were attacking me from his account and what consequences that would have to see the "evidence" in proper light?--Molobo (talk) 17:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth do you mean by "For example-you do realise Scinurae has collagues in Poland who were attacking me from his account and what consequences that would have to see the "evidence" in proper light?" OMG. I don't have any contacts in Poland, nor does anyone else use my account. Stop making up such things. Sciurinæ (talk) 19:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molobo, I was joking with Synergy. I'll not be fooled by anyone. Do you have anything more to say? AdjustShift (talk) 17:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are joking in procedural discussion that could result in block of editor responsible for creation of such articles as Aktion 1005 and adding countless information about atrocities of Nazi Germany ? I really expect clerk to be more serious and responsible. I am sorry but my confidence in your judgment was further eroded.--Molobo (talk) 17:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was joking with Synergy. When it comes to the case, I'm serious. AdjustShift (talk) 17:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologize for perhaps seeming a bit of rude. I have been here for years, and you wouldn't believe the things I have seen and endured. Sometimes I wonder why I stay after the continued insults, accusations, death threats and so on. It really isn't that easy to write on atrocities during WW2 without and I became a little bitter about. Once people start writing to you that you should wear a bulletproof vest after you edit articles about crimes of Nazi soldiers then you see Wiki in a bit different light. You really shouldn't take any side ever, no matter how rude of friendly another person seems.

--Molobo (talk) 21:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation

I think you deserve an explanation on why I am reacting so strongly to this SPI. First of all, I am strongly opposed to concepts of presumption of guilt and secret trials, as they are likely to lead to abuses of power and miscarriage of justice. Second, I believe that any profit from keeping secret evidence from one sockpuppeteer is outweighed by the above, plus by the inability to use this evidence to teach other admins/editors how to spot socks. Third, I believe that there are editors out there who in the past have shown to be less than stellar with presenting evidence (see ArbCom EE case) and who "have it" for Molobo, who I believe deserves a fair trial (and secret trials are hardly that). Having said all that, if it is shown that Molobo has used a sock to evade his 1RR restriction, I would support further restrictions/bans on his account. My argument is not that Molobo is innocent or good or whatever "because we are both Poles" (no matter how some want to make it look that way, I try not to let my personal POV affect my admin judgment), but that he (and anybody else - Polish, German or Zulu) deserves a fair trial without any "secret evidence" hanging above one like a sword of Damocles for weeks. You've said this is your first SPI, I wish you good luck in the future ones, but I believe you made a grievous error in this one by allowing some evidence to be kept secret. I hope you'll realize this was a mistake and if you keep helping out at SPI, you'll never again accept "secret evidence". Take care, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::You are joking in procedural discussion that could result in block of editor responsible for creation of such articles as [[Aktion 1005]] and adding countless information about atrocities of Nazi Germany ? I really expect clerk to be more serious and responsible. I am sorry but my confidence in your judgment was further eroded.--[[User:Molobo|Molobo]] ([[User talk:Molobo|talk]]) 17:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 :::::I was joking with Synergy. When it comes to the case, I'm serious. [[User:AdjustShift|AdjustShift]] ([[User talk:AdjustShift#top|talk]]) 17:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
+::::::Apologize for perhaps seeming a bit of rude. I have been here for years, and you wouldn't believe the things I have seen and endured. Sometimes I wonder why I stay after the continued insults, accusations, death threats and so on. It really isn't that easy to write on atrocities during WW2 without and I became a little bitter about. Once people start writing to you that you should wear a bulletproof vest after you edit articles about crimes of Nazi soldiers then you see Wiki in a bit different light. You really shouldn't take any side ever, no matter how rude of friendly another person seems.
+--[[User:Molobo|Molobo]] ([[User talk:Molobo|talk]]) 21:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 ==Explanation==