Talk:Shivaji

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Introduction

I feel the introduction needs to be re-written to better represent the topic. For example, see Mahatma Gandhi. Any suggestion. I feel it is important that the intro should talk about what makes Shivaji so important to the Indian history? One suggestion could be Swarajya? Any other thoughts/ suggestions? -Mayuresh 20:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Main page picture of Ch. Shivaji Maharaj

I think the earlier image of Ch. Shivaji Maharaj [on Sinhasan on Raigad] is more appropriate than the new image uploaded by [Redtigerxyz]. The painting of Mr. Dhurandhar is about Ch. Shivaji maharaj and his army, which could be added in appropriate section on the page. The main information box should contain the distinguishing image of the concerned person. Judging by these criteria, the image of Ch. Shivaji Maharaj on Sinhasan on Raigad is perfect match here. If nobody has objections to this, i will make the above change. Changes:

• Put http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RaigadFort5.jpg as main information box image of Ch. Shivaji Maharaj.
• Put current http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Shivaji-Dhurandhar.jpg image in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivaji#Revolution_in_military_organisation section.

Ashishbagate13 (talk) 05:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Other Shivaji related pages

Hi all. I am making a list of other shivaji related pages down below. Please add more below. The idea is

1. We know what other pages are present
2. Normalize the information across the pages
3. Consider moving information from this article to these pages (if subject warrant. Also, will help reduce length of article)
4. Consider merging these pages into this article (if the content of these pages is small enough)

So here goes:

• Shivaji's Forts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mskadu (talk • contribs) 12:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Archives: 1

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I am glad you are ready for debate. But first we have to decide the issues on which we want to debate. My points are 1. Ramdas , Konddev, and Coronation of Shivaji Maharaj

I denied the story of Ramdas as Guru of Shivaji I denied the story of Kondev as Guru or mentor of Shivaji I denied your story that Shivaji Maharaj’s coronation was not opposed by learned Bramhins of Maharashtra

These are my points if you accept it as debatable issue then I will sure arrange debate.

Ready for debate

Thanks for invitation for debate regarding following points-- 1.Ramdas is one of Gurus 2.Dadoji is one of Gurus 3.No brahmin opposed his coronation. But please note that I am opposed to those also who says that 'only' Ramdas or Dadoji are his Guru.Both opinions are extreme and not accepted by majority of shivaji's follwers who are not bothere much about politics or caste based approach or even religion. ok.Let us debate but in a constructive manner so that we can understand the soul of shivaji's movements. ddbkasar203.153.40.49 05:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for positive response

Thanks for positive response. But please let me know what is the mode of debate means did you want to debate over internet or we can meet or some other correspondences.

I also want to ask as you quoted ‘But please note that I am opposed to those also who says that 'only' Ramdas or Dadoji are his Guru’ I want to ask who they who put such ‘extreme’ opinion are. As per others is who said ‘another extreme opinion’ we know they are people like NR Phatak, Jotyrao Phule, Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar, MM Deshmukh, Jaising Rao Pawar, Hari Narke, Shreemant Kokate, ect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.69.250 (talk) 17:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

waiting for response

I am waiting for your response Kasar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.70.237 (talk) 06:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Ready for debate

Thanks for your invitation.We can debate on internet or if you want in person ,no problem .Tell me the place where you want to meet me , I will be there .I am in Mumbai, but can come for debate on shivaji in any town of world.Preferably select saturday or sunday .You can e mail me on dbkasar@yahoo.com dbkasarDbkasar 05:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ready for debate

I was real busy now days but will send you mail soon, and yes thanks for accepting my debate invitation —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.75.27 (talk) 05:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

DOB? DOD?

Date of birth? Date of death? Aren't they supposed to be in first line? Szhaider 06:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Controversy of Celebration of Shivaji's Birth Day

Can someone put good details in this matter? It is a major issue raised nowadays! Also adding deatils about specific events like slaying Afzal Khan etc. would make article more coprehensive. Swami RamTirtha 20:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply to Controversy of Shivaji's b day

There is no more controversy regarding birth date .People are celebrating as per their poitical agenda.Nothing else.dbkasarDbkasar

Shivaji and Surat

Article Shivaji on wikipedia is since 2002. There is no reference or information on Shivaji and Surat. vkvora 17:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

http://www.freeindia.org/biographies/greatlkings/shivaji/page2.htm

To build up such a vast kingdom independently and to rule it with an army and a navy, Shivaji needed lots of money. Where could he hope to obtain so much wealth for the purpose?

He decided to extract this money from Aurangzeb himself who was enjoying the wealth of this country.

In those days Surat was known to be almost the city of Kubera, the God of Wealth.

So he attacked Surat on one occasion and then emptied the city of its great wealth. vkvora 19:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I read few days back that the Marathas looted places like Surat, which should be brought to notice and only the positive points shouldn't be given. What? This is utter non-sense. If the Marathas didn't loot places like Surat, then from where does one expect the Marathas to get wealth to build the Marathas Empire. There weren't any banks or such kind of organisations to provide people with money!! Marathas under Shivaji Maharaj and afterwards didn't harm any women or children during their campaigns and that's what is important. There have been only handful of Empires in history which are idealised today and Maratha Empire is one of them. Infact, today we are very proud about the campaigns of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj and other Maratha leaders which were carried with great strategic mobility and emense courage. ThanksKesangh (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Corruption in India.

Is their any relation between corruption in India and attack on Surat in 1664 by Shivaji. vkvora 16:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any relation at all. Do you? Yogesh Sawant 09:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Nor do i. Should this section be removed as a part of cleanup? -Mayuresh 10:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of Shivaji's Life

Timeline of Shivaji's Life

• Year Historical Event
• 1627 Shivaji born in the hill fort of Shivner.
• 1643-47 Shivaji overran the hill forts of Kondana, Torana and Raigarh.
• 1647 Shivaji's Guardian Dadaji Khondev died.
• 1656 Shivaji conquered Javli from Chandra Rao More.
• 1657 Shivaji : conflict with the Moghuls for the first time : raids into Ahmednagar.
• 1659 Afzal Khan of Bijapur was killed by Shivaji.
• 1660 Moghul Governor Shaista Khan occupied Pune
• 1663 Shivaji made an attack on Shaistakhan's harem and wounded him.
• 1664 Shivaji raided and looted Surat.
• 1665 Jai Singh besieged Purandar and forced Shivaji to sign the treaty of Purandar.
• 1666 Shivaji escaped from Agra.
• 1670 Shivaji attacked Surat for the second time.
• 1674 Shivaji crowned himself at Raighad and assumed the title of Maharaja Chhatrapati.
• 1676 Shivaji's last campaign against Jijapuri Karnataka. Captured Jinji and Vellore.
• 1680 Shivaji died.

Kannada origins

I have read various accounts in reliable sources about Shivaji's Kannada origins. Can somebody please add it to the article. It will help greatly to improve the article and may be make it FA. Also we can add information about his pillage and plunder of sorrounding areas too. Some information can also be found on the Chattisgarh government website. Also the Marathas ransacking of Hindu temples, like the one at Sringeri(which Tipu Sultan had to help rebuild) which Adi Shankaracharya is said to have established. Thank you. Sarvagnya 17:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me... pillage and plunder are POV terms. Sources attesting Kannada origins are vague. Given the appropriation of Shivaji's legacy by Hindutvaadis, its unsurprising that many people would like to claim him for their own.

As for improving this article, be my guest. I've been mainting this article for over 2 years, only to have unsourced gibberish added every other week. I'd stay away from here given the fact that i'm busy with A Levels and also some people have of late begun stalking my edits. Amey Aryan DaBrood^© 18:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I read few days back that the Marathas looted places like Surat, which should be brought to notice and only the positive points shouldn't be given. What? This is utter non-sense. If the Marathas didn't loot places like Surat, then from where does one expect the Marathas to get wealth to build the Maratha Empire. There weren't any banks or such kind of organisations to provide people with money!! Marathas under Shivaji Maharaj and afterwards didn't harm any woman, child or innocent person during their campaigns and that's what is important. There have been only handful of Empires in history which are idealised today and Maratha Empire is one of them. Infact, today we are very proud about the campaigns of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj and other Maratha leaders which were carried with great planning, execution, excellent strategic mobility and immense courage. ThanksKesangh (talk)

I am not sure if pillage and plunder can be POV terms. Historians use them all the time. If they are, then what is the NPOV euphemism for 'pillage and plunder'? You tell me. Also, I've never stalked yours or anybody's edits ever. Neither will I in future. I usually edit articles in my own field of interest and I have a passing interest in Marathi history too. I am not talking from hearsay and if and when I do make a edit to this article, I will surely come with reliable sources to quote.

As for people appropriating Shivaji as their own for his Hindutva credentials, I can assure you that neither myself nor Kannadigas(or anybody in Southern India for that matter) are in the least bit interested in doing that. The only reason I raised this topic was because I thought it was encyclopedic and warranted atleast a mention somewhere in the article(I am not asking you to fill the entire article with it). Anyway, I'll hold my peace for now and next time I drop by here, I'll bring my sources along. Sarvagnya 19:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a google serch revelas at least 2 reliable sources [1][2], all what one has to do is continue this search on JSTOR too see whether there are any other reaserch articles on Shivaji's origins that say he may be of what ever origin Taprobanus 15:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no doubt that Shivaji Maharaj was a Maratha and that's it! I am going nuts on thinking that why some immature people are trying so much on deceiving the world about the Kannada origins of Shivaji Maharaj. Why don't we emphasise on Shivaji Maharaj's works and his achievements. It would be better if this page isn't used for such non-sense discussion. The people who served the Maratha Empire were Marathas and not Kannadas. Thus, people should stop taking undue credit or appreciation of the glorious Maratha history. ThanksKesangh (talk)

Reliable? snort,, Taprobanus with all due respect your article from The Hindu contains gems like: One such book tracing the origin of Chatrapathi Shivaji Maharaj is by the famous historian Dr. Ramachandra Chintamana Dhere, popularly known as Ra. Chim. Dhere. His seminal work on the subject Shikara Shinaganapracha Shambhu Mahadeva has been brought to Kannada as an abridged version of the work by famous Kannada writer Dr. Saraju Katkar as Shivaji Mula Kannada Nela meaning the origin of Shivaji is Kannada soil.

For a supposedly a famous scholar, his name gives a grand total of 1 Google hit. [3]

In fact now there is a massive movement to reclaim Shivaji from rightist forces like Shivasena in Maharastra by Sambhaji brigade, a militant non-Brahminical force, by citing the shudrahood of Chatarpati Shivaji.

Sambhaji Brigade is not non-Brahminical, it is virulently anti-Brhaminical. Shiv Sena has always been an OBC i.e so-called shudra party. There are two types of Marathas, 96 kuli Marathas and Kunbi Marathas. 96 K Marathas have traditionally been at the ruiling and land owning caste. Sambhaji bridage is largely seen as a Kunbi reaction to this... Kunbis since they are Marathas are regarded as forward castes, hence they cant avail of reservations. Also i didnt even bother with your other link, that was a blog site! I doubt whether JSTOR will yeild anything, anyways i'll try to go down to Guilford campus on friday just to check...

Shivaji's orgins are a subject of lot of controversy in Maharashtra, mostly between 96k Marathas, Kunbi Marathas and Brahmins... Sources testifying to Shivaji's Rajput ancestry are vague. Marathas have always been a heterogenous caste group. There have been many instances of petty ruling families marrying into other ethnic groups, case in point Scindia.

Oh and Sarvagnya, i didnt mean to accuse you of stalking me, those comments were meant for someone else. Salud...

Amey Aryan DaBrood^© 17:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Amey, dont feed the trolls. Cheers Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 22:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I am thankful to all who maintain this article and request to not entertain trolls and vandalisers like sarvagnya or dineshkannambadi. Dont be surprised if he says whole mankind have kannadi origins. Their lack of glorious history is the reason they speak dirt like this. These shameless self-congratulatory kannadis have no intrest in contributing to wikipedia and know only to defame other states's history. Meanwhile i will see how to deal with this kannadi jerks.

Oh i forgot to mention sources which this sarvagnya is talking abnoutl. It is likes kamath and whatever which only idiotic kannadis like sarvagnya and kannambadi read. Let him try using that shit here and face the 'Maratha music'. Also i'd like sarvagnya to talk about kannadis and not act like spokesman of whole south india .we look the claims of shivaji maharaj being kannadi as insult, given the inferiority complex and frustrations of kannadis. Is this the reason u interfere in other's history?

Looks like there is a lot of incivility assuming bad faith and wholesale attack on ethnic groups by an anonymous editor all in return for a simple question and answer that seems to have published material supporting it. When the editors concerned have decided to do the reasonable action under these conditions and have decided to check for further reliable sources, the flippant commentary by others is absolutely not required and potentially against WP:ATTACK. The commentary by the anon insulting an entire ethnic group has to be taken to WP:ANITaprobanus 13:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize sir. U dont know the history of these few kannadi editors who are creating a rift and insulting other communities by belittling their history. These comments are meant to tell them that they should stop their ill-work else others can play the same game.

I appreciate your candor, the best solution would be to strike out the comments that may be construed as racist attack on Kannadigas. Thanks 22:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The article I had read(I guess it was India Today 2003) mentioned that Shivaji's clan was related to Billava Yadavs of Karnataka. I dont remeber whether it actually said that he was of Kannadiga origin. Ill see if anything comes up. Btw Ameys stalker wasnt meant to be Sravagna. He thinks I am stalking him!--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 13:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Shivaji's mother, Jijabai, was originally from the Jadava clan. Supposedly, whe was descended from the Seuna Yadava Dynasty of Devagiri, which ruled before Ala-ud-Din Khilji's invasion. The Seuna Yadavas were related to another Yadava dynasty, the Hoysalas of southern Karnataka. This is probably where the supposedly "Kannada" origin comes from. It is doubtful, and even if it existed, it is simply too remote to be of any significance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.244.147.177 (talk) 01:51:02, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Whether Shivaji was of ethnic Kannada origin is doubtful. However, he inherited some of the Kannadiga's legacy. Before the rise of Shivaji and the Maratha Empire, the Vijayanagara Empire of Karnataka was the dominant Hindu power in India. While the Kannadigas and Telugus of Vijayanagara were valiantly defending Hindu civilization from the Muslim invaders, Shivaji's Maratha ancestors were serving under the banner of Vijayanagara's chief enemy, the Bijapur Sultanate. After Vijayanagara fell to Bijapur/Golconda in 1565, the Marathas(including Shivaji's father, Shahji Bhonsle), were taking land that once belonged to Kannadigas and Telugus. Shivaji was the noble exception to this rule in that he upheld the honor of the Hindu faith by opposing Bijapur and attempting to re-establish Hindu power in South India. His campaigns into Tamil Nadu (Vellore/Jinji) are evidence of this. Thus, even though Shivaji was certainly not a Kannadiga, his empire filled the political void that was left after the fall of Vijayanagara. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.244.147.177 (talk) 01:42:03, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Make this Entry Useful to Someone Seeking Information

This page falls far below the general wikipedia standards for neutrality and accuracy, rendering it useless for someone seeking information on the subject. I suggest the following, and surely there are those who can provide them:

• citations of known sources for otherwise mythical events of Shivaji's life;
• some mention at least of the current use of Shivaji as a hero by Hindu supremacist groups;
• explicit statement of Shivaji's action as being (at least in part) directed against the then-dominant Muslim elements in Maharashtra.

Without such inclusions, statements like the one that he died at 12 Noon give the whole piece the tone of a fairy tale, not a biographic entry. Dekephart 23:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Shivaji : Wily Brave Warrior

It used to say “wily” (larger version available here). Someone, assumedly from the Archeological Survey of India (ASI), has replaced “wily” with “brave” as an adjective for Shivaji. I don’t know when, and I don’t know why, but I wonder if the ASI was covering its butt after recent communal unrest in Maharashtra concerning a book about Shivaji…

http://www.passtheroti.com/?p=193

http://lists.jrn.columbia.edu/read/messages?id=104582

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=shivaji+wily&btnG=Search&meta=

vkvora 03:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Shivaji' Coronation

Hey!! the para containing Shivaji's coronation is missing detail as to Why Pandit 

Gaga Bhat from Kashi was invited ?? The topic does not even mention that the then Brahmins Priests had opposed Shivaji's Coronation putting forth the fact that Parshuram had destroyed all the Kshatriyas. Thus denying to coronate him.Hence the necessity was felt to prove his line of birth and get him coronated by Gaga Bhatt. I suppose we all have learnt the same history and this matter is availabe in all Indian History books. Here i open a debate to all .. if none is interested i shall add the above details.

(Asro 14:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC))

1. How is the "line of birth" proved when somebody from hundreds of miles distance vists to a person whom he hasn't seen before? 2. If Parashuram destroying Kshatriyas is the cause of Brahmins opposing Raje's coronation, why did Gaga Bhatt accept the invitation. Wasn't he a Brahmin? 3. In Valmiki Ramayan, Lord Ram who took avatar in a Kshatriya dynasty defeated Parashurama. Knowing the complete thing, doesn't the so called reason put forth for Brahmins opposing Raje's coronation sound artificial? --Krishnarpana —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishnarpana (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Whether it is true or false, I do recall reading in my primary school history text books mention about brahmins opposing Shivaji's coronation on whatever grounds. Further Gaga Bhatta from Kashi was indeed brought to coronate him. The text book, however, tried to maintain neutrality by mentioning reasons why Shivaji wanted coronated at all. Anyway, please take a look at maharashtra state board's 1st to 4th standard history text books for references.Tkul (talk) 02:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)tkul

"Perhaps, that was the reason for his life long fight for independence. " Is there any point to keeping such a line in an encyclopedia? We don't need to make poetic comments , just the facts underline Maharaj's greatness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.84.194 (talk) 13:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I oppose the inclusion of this matter under WP:UNDUE.--Redtigerxyz 12:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Random edit for inclusion in main article

I have moved a random edit (demoted one level) as a child section below to be reviewed and then added to main article by other editors -Mayuresh 12:39, 18 October 2007 (UTS)

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Thanks. Please create a saprate article for this information. As you all know that i am blocked by anti maratha vandalist, i can't do it. What is more important that what King Shivaji had to say about his kingdom through his secretary. And not the modern physcu, syudo hustorian hve to say. For yor kind information, for the own and god sake i have stopped doing war and have moved to Bluwiki. I have created pages their as the world knows that all these valuable information was brought in to light by me Vishal Prakash Dudhane under the user name Vishal1976. I did't expect money or other rewards, but a whenever this information is used or mention anywher my copyrights should be respected. I have observed that many authors are making money, fame etc by useing my information. 1) http://bluwiki.com/go/96_Maratha_Clans

2)http://bluwiki.com/go/Khandoba

3) http://bluwiki.com/go/Jyotiba

Hi Vishal. Thanks for posting this information on Shivaji. However, in order to post this and other information to the main article we need to have citeable references to this information (such as books, newspapers, etc). In other words, it needs to be verifiable Also, can I request that you post the information you wish to have added to the talk page rather than the main article? Also, if the information is copyrighted, it cannot be included into wikipedia (see: GFDL)

-Mayuresh 09:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This information is not copyrighted. It collected from a marathi book written by King Shivaji's own sectrey. Very important. ----- Vishal1976

thats nice, how about posting details of this book (title, ISBN, author, publisher, etc). We can use that to cite information. -Mayuresh 11:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Ans: Book Name:-Shree Shiv Chatrapatinche Saptaprakarnatmak Charitra. Author:-Malhar Ramrao Chitnis. Editor:- R. V. Herwadkar ISBN 81-85600-44-9 -Mayuresh , It was very insulting to ask me the ISBN No in errogant tone. Any way i let it go. From :- Vishal1976

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King Shivaji's army, forts and ministry

From Vishal Prakash Dudhane, User: - Vishal1976. Referance - Book Name:-Shree Shiv Chatrapatinche Saptaprakarnatmak Charitra. Author:-Malhar Ramrao Chitnis. Note:- Plese wikify or creat new article for this valuable information

King Shivaji's army, forts and ministry

1) Hansaji Hambirrao Mohite, Sarnobat. 2) Gomaji Naik Pansambal. 3) Santaji Raje Bhosale, illegitimate son of Shahaji Bhosale. 4) Sabaji Bhosale, Shinganpurkar. 5) Makaji Anandrao Palak Lek. 6) Ganoji Darekar. 7) Khanhoji Angre. 8) Santaji Ghorpade, Jumledar. 9) Dhanaji Jadhavrao. 10) Tailangrao, Page Sardar. 11) Vyonkoji Khandekar Jumledar. 12) Gondji Jagtap. 13) Santaji Jagtap. 14) Baji Nalge. 15) Maloji Nalge. 16) Sambhaji Kawaji.. 17) Harji Rahe Mahadik.. 18) Andrao Hftahajari. 19) Achaloji Raje Mahadik. 20) Rupaji Bhosale Sardar. 21) Mansing More. 22) Mahadaji Naik Pansambal. 23) Mudhoji Khajankar. 24) Kokate. 25) Amraji Pandhare. 26) Amrutrao Nimbalkar. 27) Hande. 28) Padaji Katkar. 29) Netaji Katkar. 30) Pilaji Shirke. 31) Tanaji Shirke. 32) Ganoji Shirke, son of Pilaji. 33) Sambhaji Shirke. 34) Jaising Palkar. 35) Parsoji Bhosale. 36) Bhujbalrao. 37) Arerao. 38) Bahirji Ghorpade. 39) Somvanshi. 40) Kanhoji Bhandawalkar. 41) Bahirji Naik Engle. 42) Khandoji Jagtap. 43) Sambhaji Katkar. 44) Suryaji Katkar. 45) Rayji Gadadhe. 46) Devji Ughade. 47) Keroji Pawar. 48) Parsoji Shitole. 49) Rayji Nalge. 50) Yesaji Khandekar. 51) Krushnaji Ghatge. 52) Krushnaji Pawar. 53) Maloji Nimbalkar. 54) Hiroji Shelke. 55) Khapne. 56) Rumaji Shirke. 57) Waghoji Shirke. 58) Tukoji Palkar. 59) Mahadji Naik Nimbalkar. 60) Yesaji Thorat. 61) Khanderao Dabhade. 62) Nemaji Shinde. 63) Khatoji Atole. 64) Bahirji Bandgar. 65) Balwantrao Devkante. 66) Bhavanrao Devkante. 67) Mahanarwar. 68) Kakde. 69) Kadu. 70) Balaji Naik Nimbalkar. 71) Dhamdhere. 72) Uchale. 73) Jaising Palkar. 74) Anandrao Nimbalkar. 75) Baji Mohite.

                               Chiefs of infantry and Maval infantry

1) Yesaji Kank, Sarnobat 2) Tanaji Malusare 3) Jiva Mahal 4) Sona Mahal 5) Rajpatil Yashwantrao 6) Ramji Vishwasrao 7) Khrushnaji Naik 8) Subhanji Naik 9) Tan Sawant 10) Kondaji Walkhale 11) Bajirao Pasalkar 12) Babaji Prabhu Deshpande, from Hirdas Mawal area 13) Thakur 14) Dhamale 15) Baji Murar Deshpande, from Mahad 16) Dhawale 17) Kudalkar 18) Malghade 19) Hiroji Rote 20) Ramaji More 21) Tukoji Lad 22) Tulaji Fharjad 23) Hiroji Bhangire 24) Yesaji Darekar 25) Son Salwi 26) Mudhoji Saswdekar 27) Khandoji Naik Jasud (Spy) 28) Bagrao 29) Dinkarrao 30) Harji Naik Jasud (Spy) 31) Suryaji Kale 32) Suryaji Malusare 33) Tanaji Duduskar 34) Pilaji Sanas 35) Jawji Parale 36) Mudhoji Fhurgawhane 37) Vithoji Kadu 38) Indraji Gade 39) Mahadji Fharjad 40) Hiroji Fharjad (Spy) 41) Nagoji Fharjad Naik 42) Habaji Fharjad 43) Parthe 44) Changoji Kadu 45) Krushnaji Bhosale 46) Dadaji Bapuji Deshpande 47) Chimnaji Bapuji Deshpande 48) Ran Dalwi 49) Mal Sawant 50) Dole 51) Jawji Mohne 52) Mudhoji Khanwalkar 53) Bajirao Darekar 54) Ganoji Kawale 55) Somaji Naik Banki 56) Bapuji Mandre 57) Ranoji Darekar

                                            Chiefs of navy

1) Daryasagar 2) Maynak Bhandari 3) Ibhramkhan

                                           Ministry (Ashtapradhan)

1) Moro Trimal Pingale, Peshwe 2) Ramchandra Nilkanth 3) Raghunathrao Panditrao 4) Annaji Datto 5) Janardanpant Hanmante, Majamdar 6) Dattajipant Wakenis 7) Balaji Sondev 8) Niraji Raoji 9) Pralhad Niraji 10) Shivaji Shankar 11) Krushnajipant Mathure 12) Kashipant Mathure Vishwasrao 13) Krushnaji Sakhaji 14) Shamji Awaji Karkhanis 15) Yesaji Gowind 16) Shamji Naik Punde, Potdar 17) Sankraji Nilkanth 18) Trimbak Bhaskar 19) Pantaji Gopinath Bokil 20) Annaji Rangnath Malekar 21) Vitthal Pildev Garudkar 22) Timaji Keshw Sabnis 23) Konherpant 24) Govindbhat Upadhye 25) Balji Awaji Chitnis 26) Chimnaji Awji Chitnis, Dafhtardar 27) Prabhakar Upadhye 28) Shivbhat Upadhye 30) Raghunath Ballal Korde 31) Balaji Raghunath and Narhar Ballal Sabnis 32) Rawji Sonnath Subhedar 33) Vyonkoji Datto 34) Visajipant Mathure 35) Krushn Joshi 36) Narhar Anandrao 37) Balambhat Gosawi Upadhye 38) Shamraj Padyanabh

                                                        Forts and States King Shivaji own.

A) State Satara and Wai.

1) Satara 2) Parali (Sajjangad) 3) Vairatgad 4) Kamalgad 5) Pandawgad 6) Chandangad 7) Vandangad 8) Nandgiri (Kalyangad) 9) Vardhangad 10) Mahimgad 11) Tathawda (Santoshgad)

B) State Karad.

1) Vasantgad 2) Mchindragad 3) Bhushangad 4) Karad station

C) State Panhala

1) Panhala 2) Pavangad 3) Khelna (Vishalgad) 4) Gajendragad 5) Rangana (Prasidhagad) 6) Bhudhargad 7) Bhivgad 8) Pargad 9) Bhupalgad 10) Madangad 11) Gagangad 12) Bawdagad

D) State Maval Shyadri

1) Rohidgad(Vichitragad) 2) Purandar (Daulatmangal) 3) Rajgad 4) Dategad 5) Visapur 6) Lohgad 7) Narayangad 8) Vasota (Vyaghragad) 9) Kelanj 10) Rudramala 11) Kondhana (Sinhagad) 12) Torna (Prachandgad) 13) Kuwari 14) Tung (Kathingad) 15) Tikona (Vitanggad) 16) Rajmachi (two parts- Shrivardhan and Manranjan) 17) Shivneri 18) Morgiri

E) State Konkan Ground and sea forts

1) Malvan (Sindhudurg) 2) Vijaydurg (Gheria) 3) Jaydurg 4) Ratnagiri 5) Suvarnadurg 6) Khanderi 7) Underi 8) Kulaba 9) Rajkot 10) Anjanvel (Gopalgad) 11) Revdanda 12) Raigad (Rairi) 13) Pali (Sarasgad) 14) Kalanidhigad 15) Arnala 16) Suranggad 17) Mahipatgad 18) Mahimandan 19) Sumargad 20) Rasalgad 21) Karnala 22) Bhorap (Sudhagad) 23) Balmgad 24) Saranggad 25) Manikgad 26) Sidgad 27) Mandangad 28) Balgad 29) Lingana 30) Prachitigad 31) Samangad 32) Kangori ( Mangalgad) 33) Pratapgad 34) Talgad 35) Talgad 36) Ghosalgad (Virgad) 37) Birwadigad 38) Mahimantgad

F) State Konkan

1) Bhairavgad 2) Prabalgad 3) Avchitgad (Mendhe) 4) Mandangad 5) Kumbhagad 6) Manohargad 7) Sagargad 8) Ratnagad 9) Subhangad 10) Mitragad 11) Prlhadgad 12) Makrandgad 14) Sahajgad 15) Simeragad 16) Mahidhargad 17) Sehgoggad 18) Bhaskargad 19) Mahuli 20) Kawnai

G) Army Headquarters (Thani)

1) Kalyan 2) Supe 3) Shirval 4) Bhivandi 5) Khatav 6) Miraj 7) Wai 8) Baramati 9) Tasgaon 10) Karad 11) Chakan 12) Karvir

H) State Bagalgan

1) Saleri 2) Muleri 3) Nahva (Navha) 4) Ahiwantgad (Sarp Killa) 5) Ghodap 6) Kaner (Kanhera) 7) Harsal

I) State Trimbak etc

1) Trimbak 2) Ramjes 3) Gadgada 4) Chawandas 5) Chandvad 6) Harindragad 7) Markandeygad 8) Karola 9) Avandha (Aaundha) 10) Bahula 11) Harshan 12) Jivdhan 13) Ravlagad 14) Javlagad 15) Hadsar 16) Machangad 17) Manranjan 18) Siddhagad 19) Manohargad 20) Mruggad 21) Sabalgad 22) Pattagad (Vishramgad) 23) Rajdehar 24) Ankai 25) Tankai

J) State Fhonde Bidnoor

1) Kot Fonde 2) Kot Kadwal 3) Kot Shiveshwar 4) Kot Kahoor 5) Kot Ankola 6) Kot Manglur 7) Kot Bakar 8) Kot Kathor 9) Kot Kahoor 10) Kot blyal (Halyal) 11) Kot Labgre 12) Kot Krushnagiri

H) State Karnatak etc, State Jagdevgad.

1) Jagdevgad 2) Varungad 3) Gagangad 4) Sudarshangad 5) Ramyagad 6) Siddhagad 7) Mallikarjungad 8) Nandigad 9) Prabalgad 10) Martandgad 11) Dirghapalligad 12) Bhairavgad 13) Maharjgad 14) Krushnagiri 15) Jawadigad 16) Kasturigad 17) Mangalgad 18) Ramgad

I) State Shrirangpattan

1) Kot Dhrampuri 2) Kot talegiri 3) Kalapgad 4) Harihargad 5) Sundargad 6) Mahinadgad 7) Kot Garud 8) Kotwallgod 9) Ranjangad 10) Pramodgad 11) Kot Athnur 12) Kor Alur 13) Manohargad 14) Kot Tripadur 15) KotShamal 16) Bhavanidurg 17) Kot Dutajati 18) Kot Viraden 19) Kot Amrapur 20) Kot Lakhanur 21) Kot Changmal 22) Kot Tul 23) Sur

J) State Yelur district anf forts

1) Kot Arkat 2) Kot Trimal 3) Kot Trikolnur 4) Kot Lahnur 5) Kot Dalnapattan 6) Garjangad 7) Kot Triwadi 8) Kailasgad 9) Rasalgad 10) Karnatakgad 11) Yashwantgad 12) Chetpavhalligad 13) Mukhyagad 14) Prangad 15) Sajra Gad 16) Palkot 17) Chanji Barakot 18) Sagargad 19) Kolabgad 20) Madbind Gad 21) Mahimandan Gad 22) Kot Vrindavan 23) Gojara Gad 24) Dubhe Gad 25) Anurgad

K) State Vangad etc Sub Districts

1) Vangad 2) Gahangad 3) Simdurg 4) Naldurg alias Miragad 5) Srimant Durg 6) Shrigadan Gad 7) Parakramgad 8) Nargund alias Mahantgad 9) Kanakadri Gad 10) Brmha Gad 11) Chitradurg 12) Prasanna Gad 13) Kopal Gad 14) Bahadur Binda 15) Vyankat Gad 16) Gandhrav Gad 17) Dhakegad 18) Surpre Gad 19) Hadapsargad 20) Kanchan Gad 21) Achalgiri Gad 22) Madan Gad

L) State Kolhar Balapur.

1) Kolhar 2) Brmha Gad 3) Vadanna Gad 4) Bhaskar Gad 5) Preivar Gad 6) Somshekhar Gad 7) Medgiri 8) Chen Gad 9) Ganesh Gad 10) Khal Gad 11) Bidnoorkot 12) Malkolharkot 13) Mahipal Gad 14) Mrugmad Gad 15) Hatmangal Gad 16) Manchakprakash 17) Bhimgad 18) Shrivardhangad 19) Ambenirai Gad 20) Budhalafhot 21) Manikgad 22) Nandigad 23) Thakur Gad 24) Saras Gad 25) Malhar Gad 26) Bhumandal Gad 27) Birukot

M) State Chandi

1) Rajgad 2) Chaingad 3) Krushnagiri 4) Madonmattagad 5) Arvanloo Gad 6) Kalakot

Vandalism, my edits are visible but not recorded in history-- Vishal1976

Vandalism, my edits are visible but not recorded in history-- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.140.252 (talk) 07:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

SAIBAI

Saibai was the first wife of Ch.Shivaji. She was married to him when she was seven years old and he was eleven years old.Before marriage her name was Rajas Nimbalkar. She was the source of strength for Ch. Shivaji. Both of them played chess,and this was how Ch.shivaji got ideas to win a battle.

They also had a daughter named Sakhubai who was elder to their son Sambhaji,who was married to the son of Saibai's brother Baji, who was brought back to hinduism by Ch. Shivaji.

Saibai by nature was a jovial person. She died at the age of 26, after giving birth to their son sambhaji,at the fort of "RAJGARH",which was the capital of the maratha empire at that time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikkyvikrant (talk • contribs) 07:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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This post may be possible vandalism.

1) Both of them played chess,and this was how Ch.shivaji got ideas to win a battle.---- May be true, but later part that Shivaji gets ideas sounds vandalism.

2) She died at the age of 26, after giving birth to their son sambhaji--- Sambhaji's mother died when he was two years old. --- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.141.252 (talk) 10:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No reference to Ramdas Swamy (saint ramdas)

There is no reference to Ramdas Swamy , Shivaji's spiritual and political mentor in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vdeshmuk (talk • contribs) 05:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I am also trying to find references to meetings between Shivaji and Ramdas Swamy. In the article titled Ramdas Swamy, it is mentioned that there is no reference to meeting between the two; however, I have read a book (I do not remember the author or such details anymore) mentioning several meetings between Shivaji and Ramdas Swamy.Tkul (talk) 02:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)tkul Communalism & ideas for improvement

Shiv Sena, Sambhaji Brigade etc

Is there no mention of the takeover of his legacy by fundamentalist groups like Shiv Sena, Sambhaji Brigade etc? I feel they should be mentioned, but it should be made very clear that these are groups with an entirely different ideology, trying to use his name for political gain. --ti 16:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Discovery of India comments on Shivaji How about adding those to the main page?Tkul (talk) 02:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Tkul

Contributions by 146.145.36.41

An anonymous editor is continuaosly readding some of the stuff that I had removed. SO let me explain why I have removed this section. the article is about Shivaji , so it does not really make sens to mention what Godhkindh means. Also some of the content was very "prose" in style which is not acceptable in Wikipedia. Also the Death and Succession section goes too much into detail about the future whereas it should ideally just mention what the heading says : death and succession. Hope that helps. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 18:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

1/3 of Shivaji army Muslim?

This is repeated, almost in a cliche manner throughout the article.

The article is already scarcely cited, but what evidence is there to support the idea that 1/3 of Shivaji's army was Muslim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.217.174.166 (talk) 18:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The claim that Shivaji was anti-Muslim is a projection derived from current (especially Hindu nationalist) struggles for political identity and it does not hold true in the historical context of the 18th century. At that time religious identities were not that relevant for defining socio-cultural and political affiliations as they are sometimes today. It is of course true, that the vast majority of adversaries that shivaji fought were Muslims or were at least associated to Muslim rulers. That said one has to realize that this was not a sign of a religiously motivated conflict, but of a struggle for political power. To establish an independent kingdom in those times necessitated opposing the dominant political elites which were mainly Muslim.

Also, Shivajis referral to Hindu rituals during in coronation and his patronage for Hindu religious institutions were more a move to assume political legitimacy for his claim to power than characteristic of a conscious rejection of Muslim religion and culture.

Thus to claim that Shivaji was inherently anti-Muslim is a distortion of the historical situation. The question whether there were Muslim soldiers in Shivajis army has to be answered with recourse to the historical sources and not on the basis of ideologically founded propositions. I do not feel competent to deliver such an answer, however a Muslim presence in Shivajis army seems plausible to me as they possessed a significant military expertise which was an attractive asset for a ruler like Shivaji. The amount of Muslims as 1/3 of Shivajis soldiers seems high to me, but not entirely unrealistic. On the other hand there were of course also Hindu soldiers in the armies of the Mughals as well as in those of the Sultanates of Bijapur and Golconda, again a testimony against clear-cut religious identifications as the basis of political loyalty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.206.86.86 (talk) 11:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Section dedicated to Shivaji's family ties???

I do see a need to have an section which provides details about Shivaji's family. Basic contents that come to my mind would be a listing of immediate family members, as in parents, siblings, wives and children. As an encyclopedia article, the information would be required for the sake of completness

The current article provides very little information as to when, where and how Shivaji got married to the various listed wives, their maiden last names or their family backgrounds. The situation is worse when it comes information about Shivaji's daughters, no names or information about the families they were married into. Family ties were a very important strategic decision in those days and so I see a need for a new section, any opinions?

--Kedar (talk) 00:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Definitely needed. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Authenticity of this whole article

I read the whole article and i must congratulate the writer about his attempt and fantastic art of story telling. Now coming to the point i am speculative about the content and it seems like this whole article has been tailored to exaggerate the personality of the maratha warrior. Very sparsely links have been provided and that to of websites of marathi origin. Everyone of us is very well acquainted with the picture that a marathi person bears in his heart about the warrior but is ain't fair to misguide the mob just for the sake of self interest and i strongly discourage this attempt made by whosoever. I request all of you responsible people to take a initiative for writing a new article.

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student IIT bombay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archaic indian (talk • contribs) 17:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Your borderline racist comments about Marathi people notwithstanding, I can assure you that this article may well be exaggerated, but any serious student of Indian history can attest to the veracity of basic plotline of the article. AMbroodEY Reloaded 08:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Why such childish doubts

Well the above user seems to be highly ignorant about Maratha history. The article is not a result of story-telling but is supported by concrete proofs and references. As far as speculation is concerned you are free to do so but that won't change the Maratha history. Foreigners have written about Shivaji Maharaj (most famous being the 'History of Mahrattas' by Grant Duff), the books written by Marathi authors are backed by solid evidences and so are the websites. I advise you not to bang your head against the wall doubting the authenticity of the article and believe the greatness of Shvaji Maharaj.Kesangh (talk) 06:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I may not wholly agree with the comments by Archaic Indian but I understand why he thinks so. The article is riddled with peacock terms. (The message below is a telling pointer). I tried to clean it up and make it more suitable for Wikipedia but an anon user kept reverting back. And I am not the only one who tried and gave up. The entire article seems like a copy of the History textbook i studied in school. Too long , any reader will loose interest. Add to that the constant insertion of glorifying terms, imbalanced editing and incoheerent writing. A pity that the article of such an important leader has a C Class rating. Ironically it is Shivaji's fans who are preventing this article from reaching FA status.--Deepak D'Souza 09:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Show some respect to Maharaj.

Shivaji Maharaj needs to be addressed/refered as 'Shivaji Maharaj' ONLY and not as shivaji. There are multiple instances in this article where Maharaj is referred as shivaji only , which is my view is a serious disrespect to Great Maharaj. Can anybody please take up this issue with the editors and get every instance replaced by Shivaji Maharaj .

Thanks ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.84.138 (talk) 12:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Does't matter what you think, Wikipedia needs to maintain NPOV. AMbroodEY Reloaded 08:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)