Talk:Royal Air Force

Taranis UCAV

IMO the Taranis project should be included under "Future Aircraft". This will be the main focus of the RAF in terms of new aircraft development for the next 30+ years. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/tanaris/

Thanks

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.243.165.135 (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The BAE Taranis project is just an MoD funded programme to demonstrate the technology. Adding to future aircraft would be pure speculation as this is only a demonstrator and we dont know if it is any good yet or if the RAF will buy the technology. MilborneOne 20:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask why my see also linkl is getting deleted?

It seems that a user called "MilborneOne" seems fit to delete a link to an RAF Online community. I thought that wikipedia was a public editable encyclopedia but no matter what we do it keeps getting deleted.

I see that the British Army are allowed a link to their online community and even allowed a wiki entry ARRSE even though our websites are the same.

Can I please ask MilborneOne to contact me at webmasterATe-goatDOTcoDOTuk so that I can begin to understand why it is that we are not allowed a link but the Army are allowed to do whatever they like on wikipedia.

Many thanks

Wobblyman 15 Jan 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wobblyman (talk • contribs) 08:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a not a directory or a list of websites the link to e-goat has been deleted because it does not meet the criteria for inclusion, refer to Para 11 in Links normally to be avoided at WP:EL. This is just a policy guideline and nothing to do with army-bias. The British Army Rumour Service link on the Army page is to a Wikipedia article - not an external link. Their is nothing to stop anybody creating an article about e-goat and then linking it from here under See also. MilborneOne (talk) 12:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Rewriting the WW2 History section

Going to rewrite the section on bombing because at the moment it's a bit of a mess. I invite comments on the changes.IxK85 (talk) 14:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

RAF Deployments

The deployments section is a bit of a mess. It contains details of current operational deployments (some very out of date), recent and some historic operations, as well as some long-standing training deployments. I would suggest paring this down to current operations (and possibly current overseas comitments eg Falklands, Asi?). Past ops belong in the history article. There is already a footnote to a section of the RAF website giving current deployments which would help. Sc147 (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm in agreemeent with this. The historical ops should go to History of the Royal Air Force and they need considerable expansion. However, we will need to think about where we draw the line. For example, is Baltic Air Policing is past or present op from an RAF perspective? Greenshed (talk) 13:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit?

Now that a Copyedit tag has been placed on the article, I would be helpful to know what the problems are so that we could work on them. Comments welcome. Greenshed (talk) 23:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Old news

RAF is 90 years old today, shouldn't that get front page mention on en.wikipedia.org? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories nominated for deletion

Category:Footballers who served in the RAF - Template:Lc1

This above category has been nominated for deletion. Does anybody here have any opinion on subject Djln --Djln (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Whats so special about Footballers? , should we also include Rugby players JS1 (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Gallery

Did I miss something! has move of all the aircraft images been discussed? MilborneOne (talk) 18:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Wings - missing

I added a bit to Prince William's article, about him earning his wings at Cranwell. I linked wings, and being a good little boy, checked the link to disambiguate it and make sure it was to the right place. But! We have no article about the wings that RAF/Commonwealth pilots earn and proudly display. For the yanks there's a great article at Aircrew Badge. We need something similar. Anyone? Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 23:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Try Aircrew brevet. Greenshed (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Aaaaarrrrggghhhhhh. Ta. I've wikied his wings. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 00:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

roundel colours

The roundel red displayed in the picture is NOT the correct one -- too purplish. However, the fin flash has the right 'post office red' colour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.46.64 (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Who is the authority? The RAF or wikipedia?

Regarding the most recent edit which changed the motto from Through struggles to the Stars to Through adversity to the Stars, do we ignore the official RAF website which says it is the former? See http://www.raf.mod.uk/links/faqs.cfm Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 07:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

from that link its recorded as :

What is the RAF Motto? It is 'Per Ardua ad Astra'. Although difficult to translate, it is generally said to be "Through Struggle to the Stars".

from this site http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/research/faq/motto.cfm its translated as What does the RAF motto "Per Ardua Ad Astra" mean? The College of Arms has stated that "no authoritative translation is possible" but the usual translation is "Through adversity to the stars".

from the article Royal Australian Air Force The motto on the RAAF's coat of arms is the Latin phrase Per Ardua ad Astra, which means "Through Struggle to the Stars", The Royal Air Force uses the same motto but translates it as "Through Adversity to the Stars".

I changed the motto to "Througth Adversity to the stars" believing that was the correct translation, but there does seem to be different translations Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there are. I think the clincher is what the RAF itself says in the reference, and that is "struggle". So I changed it accordingly. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 03:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, this is pedancy on translation. If adversity and struggle are considered synonyms that both translate back into Latin as "Ardua". Then take your pick as to which one is correct. English has far more syonoyms than Latin and most lving languarges so this type of thing will occur freqently. When meeting someone who had recently returned from conducting a survey of orangutans my comment of "how is the old man of the woods then" was abruptly corrected with "you mean forest" This was a little obtuse since woods and forest translate equally in "hutan" from which the second part of the ape's name is derived (and rather pleasingly for me woods googles more than forest in this context too) Splitting hairs in terms of the RAF motto being about adversity or struglle is equally rridiculous unless we are aiming to quote a specific individual or sources own translation. Dainamo (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

We dont need to do original research the RAF website says It is 'Per Ardua ad Astra'. Although difficult to translate, it is generally said to be "Through Struggle to the Stars". and the RAF website is a reliable source. MilborneOne (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

RAF Deployments

Grumbo (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)I notice that Op WARDEN is missing from the Deployment section. Based at Incerlik AB in Turkey, the operation enforced the Northern no-fly zone over Iraq. Perhaps someone could do the needful?

Eustace Lander's whereabouts?

Dear RAF veterans of the China-Burma-India theater, pls tell me the whereabouts of Eustace John Cunningham Lander, the pilot who was cited in Gazette of India according to link www.bharatrakshak.com. He joined service in 1944 along with my granddad Babu Kang Singh. Pls, can anybody help me locate Flying Officer Lander. Did he return to England or did he go to Rhodesia, South Africa or Canada or US? There is a famous Lander cosmetic industry in New York which I use. Are they related? I want to request the House of Windsor and the Duke of Edinburgh to help me find this family. FO Lander's birthday is on Monday, November 24 this year. i want to know what kind of missions did he accomplish and did he survive the onslaught of Imperial Japanese interceptors like Hayabusas, Reisens and Hayates.

I am contemplating a Hollywood movie on Mr. Lander's exploits. I want to direct this movie as I am passionate about knowing more about my own granddad's exploits in the Second World War. I think young people today are naive about the exploits of the past generation. I am paying my homage to Eustace Lander, Terence Healy and my granddad Babu Singh who were veteran pilots. My granddad later left Indian service to join Nepal's royal flight. His Dakota either a DC-3 or C-47 Skytrain is the object of my dreams. I want to immortalize their heroism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prittwitz791 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not really the place to ask as this page is to discuss the article about the Royal Air Force but if it helps Eustace John Cunningham Lander died in England in 1978. MilborneOne (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

RAF in popular culture

Is this the kind of section which could be added? Would it be relevant or valuable to have a section mentioning identifying some aspects of the way the RAF has been presented in popular culture throughout the years? I know, for example, that Wikipedia is stuffed with articles about moustaches which all reference the RAF, but there's nothing on this page to discuss what the RAF or the image of the RAF has meant for culture or anything like that. If this is a section which could be valuable, what kind of things would be best to put in it?

I suspect it would attract loads of trivia! dont think anything should be added to this article but if somebody feels strongly about it then it could be created as a seperate article but note we have nothing on the USAF in popular culture for example, perhaps for good reasons. MilborneOne (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Huh?

The article says "Unlike the UK Civil Police, the RAF Police are armed as needed." Aren't the civvy police also armed "as needed"? Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Civvy please are armed "as needed" but is is not a common occurance and normally only by specialised teams, the normal policeman on the street is not armed which is the point being made. MilborneOne (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we just avoid the issue by not trying to draw a comparison with civilian police? Where's the ref that says the RAFP are "armed as needed" anyway? Letdorf (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC).

Good point, not really needed in an overview article. I have removed the sentence. MilborneOne (talk) 15:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Royal Air Force ranks, specialisms and insignia

Hello, I was wondering if there could be a grid made up of images for ranks etc much like on the page for the British Army, I personally find them informative and add that extra flair of detail to the page, thanks. SuperDan89 (talk) 18:06, 06 April 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at RAF officer ranks and RAF other ranks for such tables. Greenshed (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

For anyone interested

Yeah I know, only discuss the article blah, blah blah, but I'm sure there will be a few here interested in http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8098729.stm 70 years of RAF history.

Autochthony wrotes - Sound Stuff. Am I paranoid, but there is no mention of current numbers of planes [or personnel] anywhere? I realise this may be of use to an enemy [no - NOT France - they are our Siblings in Europe] - but aren't there Defence Estimates, etc.? Autochthony 21-59Z 4 July2009 86.161.194.33 (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)