Talk:Korçë

Political landscape

I am terribly sorry, but I think that in the section reading that Korca was a "bastion" of the Democratic Party, some wishful thinking of a DP follower was involved (btw: the use of "bastion" for stronghold is a typically Albanian thing). Whereas Korca region has had a left wing domination after 1997 that was continuosly and constantly eroding from its peak in 2000 until the 2005 general elections (Kolonja district being an exception), Korca town has had both left and right wing mayors and elected MPs. Hence this section should be edited without political motivation (which is a hard thing to do in Albania, admittedly).

Name in Vlach?

No idea what the name is in Vlach, but the NGA geonames server at http://gnswww.nga.mil/geonames/GNS/index.jsp returns all of these alternative names:

• Korytsa
• Korrçë
• Korrça
• Koritza
• Koritsa
• Körice
• Korica
• Korche
• Korcha
• Korça
• Goritsa
• Gorica
• Ghiortsa Corcia
• Corriza
• Corizza
• Coriza
• Coritza
• Coritsa
• Corcë

Vlach might be in there somewhere but don't ask me which one it is! ;-) -- ChrisO 20:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proof?

As far as Korce is concerned there has always been a large Aromun minority but never in its records have there been Greek names in the area. Does anyone have any proof of it's large "Greek minority" Or is this another case of "Their orthodox, their greek"?

The fact that there's a newly-opened Greek school, Greek consulate and Greek library in the town, built for "the promotion of Greek culture, Greek literature and Greek language" [1], suggests that there are people there who just might possibly identify themselves as Greek... -- ChrisO 06:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Having lived in Korce for several years I myself have noticed these schools. Schools dont constitue a large minority... The Greek government likes to be appeased and so it happens. Check the records of these schools. The majority of attendees are Albanians with ambitions of moving to Greece. The Greek government demands schools for every single Greek. That means if there is two to three families of Greeks in an area, they must build schools. If not, more stuff comes out that Albanians are mistreating Greeks. This is actually a current issue of discussion as the schools are expensive. Theres no denying that there is Greek, just what does "large" or "significant" define? But... whatever.... Iskenderbeg

This article is not NPOV. In the Culture section, it mostly informs about how it is a Greek Orthodox center but no hint about Korca being a cradle of Albanian culture and having the first Albanian school. There has been no Greek presence in Korca except that it has an Orthodox minority. But nowadays Greeks think that all Orthodox peoples are Greek, what a laugh. - UsUnknown Soldier

There's nothing to stop you adding information... but I've added the point about the school(s), anyway. -- ChrisO

just added!

Just added a link to Albania in the first part of the topic.

German Study shows no Greeks in Korce

Nationality map of east central and Southeast Europe 1989-1992

It shows the concentration of Greeks were in Gjirokaster and Sarande but gives no info on any Greeks in Korce.

If someone re-adds the part taken out, will they atleast bring evidence as to why?

So people simply change it because it does not fit their needs?

Here are some quotes from:

T.J. Winnifrith Badlands-Borderlands A History of Northern Epirus/Southern Albania, pg 24

"But in spite of the efforts of Greek schools and churches near Vlore, Berat and Korce, Greek speech only really exists today in the extreme south-west of Albania near Butrint and along the border as far as Kakavia, in three villages along the coast near Himare, and in Drinos valley near Gjirokaster. Even in these areas there are pockets of Albanian speech, and almost all Greek-speakers are bilingual."

Plus how does a Greek school prove minority? On top of that the source for the info is not really the best one since its actually a Greek site.

This seems to be nothing more then dilute what is shown to be a generally homogenous area for "northern Epirus" reasons. I ask a member to look at what I posted, if more is needed I will bring more info.

Tpilkati 03:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Well it seems Athenea has an inept ability to properly debate. On top of this uses an obviously biased stated. Stating they were Greek Orthodox deludes the public into the idea that the population was infact Greek, yet this neglects the fact that there was no Albanian Orthodoxy then and any Albanian of eastern orthodox heritage was seen as Greek. The arguement that all orthodoxy inn general is thought of as Greek, well. I wonder what Russians have to say about this but as a Albanian myself from these lands inwhich this site tries to dilute the population of, I can get rather offended by it since it was so hard for us to separate from it. Yet this is never mentioned. I wonder how Athenea knows of this large Greek population of Korce when he has yet to see an actual count. All counts so far show a clear small minority and a large vlach one. I wonder how much Albanians in here actively go around vandalizing the articles of neighboring countries, mainly that of Greece. Especially without even once discussing it. If ignorance is the issue, then maybe one needs to distance themselves from wiki Tpilkati 03:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

who wrote this ??? proof! korca has a large minority of greeks?! who has written this article?where did you find this, and furthermore have you seen to be mentioned albanian people that live(or lived ) in janina kostur ect....or you dout there are (werent) albanian people?????.that for me is disinformation .It is true that there are a lot of people that know greek language but do you know how many people know english french italian??? it seems there are too many "minorities".Based on this reason albanian people are minority itself!!!!!!! hence i have the right to ask which country does korca belong???ALBANIA.I hope in the future to find something written by an albanian person not a greek.FALEMINDERIT(nga nje korcar qe di te flase e greqisht por qe se ngateron me shqipen)

Name

Seriously, just have a name section so you can put all the different languages in. The intro looks like shit with all of them. And no, culling some probably won't be a good idea. BalkanFever 06:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree! The intro is terrible. What if we add a "Name" section? balkanian (talk) 13:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No response to my proposal so I am creating it. balkanian (talk) 16:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Minorities??

There is [www.southeasteurope.org/documents/0009albminorities.pdf no] minority in Korce, if you find a reference that there is, feel free to add it. balkanian (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have this reference right here, [2], which is far more reliable than that suspicious "southerastern europe.org" random website. So I have re-added the sentence. --Tsourkpk (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry, but please see this [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arditbido (talk • contribs) 20:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Supposed sources that claim that there is no Greek minority in northern epirus are immediately deemed Questionable sources as there is abudance to the contrary since 1913 and before that and even the Albanian state admits it though it reduces the numbers and the area to 99 villages(a goverment pov).Megistias (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No this map shows that there is a minority in Saranda, Delvina and Gjirokastra, but not in Korca. 77.242.19.9 (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added references by INSTAT, Albanian Institution of Statistics, retrieved by Albanian report for minorities, in Council of Europe. balkanian (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Le monde diplomatique

Please see this [4]. It is another map of Le monde diplomatique, which does not include e greek minority in Korca. So, we should remove the Le Monde diplometique references. balkanian (talk) 16:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC) There is not any greek minority in Korca so I am removing the greek toponym. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asdreni (talk • contribs) 16:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

A biased statemenet concerning Enver Hoxha

The text which was devoted to early career of Enver Hoxha, states the former as the "future dictator". What kind of an objectivity is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.199.165 (talk) 08:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Totalitarian census

Seems a totalitarian census of 1989 has no place on a encyclopedic article, especially in the lead (really misleading). I see that a number of authors, like Vickers who is considered clearly pro-albanian describes the Korce region as minority region[5]] p.178 (although official not called that way by the totallitarian regime).Alexikoua (talk) 21:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree. The 1989 census needs to go. --Athenean (talk) 21:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Alexikoua, do you comprehend english or what? This is a city within the district, not the district itself and your citations mentions the district and not the city. If you want to add something about the Korce DISTRICT, then add it to the DISTRICT article.--I Pakapshem (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You are afraid to mention that the city is inside a 'minority region'? There live Greeks, slavs, Vlachs. It's simply reasonable to add it on the lead.Alexikoua (talk)

Can you read or not!!. Yeah there live so many greeks that the greek party got about 0,95% of the votes in whole Korce district. That much! Now dont add again that nonsense about city districts when it refers to Korce district.--Sarandioti (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

How interesting that I Pakapshem and Sara use the same type of language ("do you comprehend english..." "Can you read..."). --Athenean (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You still haven't answered me Athenean, and I have asked you twice. HOW IS PONTOS?. Please answer (at last) when you have free time. I would really like to listen to your answer. --Sarandioti (talk) 23:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Btw I would gladly talk to any of you guys in msn if you ever want to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarandioti (talk • contribs) 23:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You re-added the totallitarian stuff. Tell me one reason not to report you? You are not carefull on adding stuff inapropriate for an encyclopedia.Alexikoua (talk) 23:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why exactly is it inappropriate?? It is official, fully sourced etc. --Sarandioti (talk) 23:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Your obsession with Pontos is amusing. The 1989 census is conducted by a toatlitarian regime, is 20 yrs old, and as such is not worth the paper it is printed on. --Athenean (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Totalitarian? and what does that mean? unreliable? I havent seen any wiki guideline saying that. I really like Pontos, great area, great things have happened there, even rivers created in eras where rivers could only be of white or slightly blue colour. Too bad no bright minds exist nowadays to create rivers again. Why wouldn't anyone like it?--Sarandioti (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)