Talk:Kayfabe

Pronunciation?

I'm confused on the pronunciation. In the entry it's written "KAY-faybe," but it's unclear whether the e should be silent, or whether instead there should be three syllables. In other words -- "KAY-fayb" or "KAY-fay-bee?" --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 21:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Bdve 01:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the pronunciation. I have a couple friends who've been running with Mid America Shows for a while now. They taught me a little "carniese," which is just a modified version of Pig-latin. I wish I could tell you the exact rules to it, but it involves swapping first and last syllables (or phonetic sounds) and adding an extra syllable to it. My friends used an "-izz" added in the middle of the word if it ended in a consonant, and added to the end of the word if it ended with a vowel. There were some other rules as to words that are proper names too but I don't remember them other than you didn't swap syllables, you instead added more. I do remember something about using "-bee" too but it was only for certain cases.

I think it might actually be Kay-fay-bee for the correct pronunciation, but all I'm really going off is hearsay from some friends of mine. Kay-fay-bee sounds right though, more so than Kay-Fabe. Anyone else have some input on this? --RaggTopp 15:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

It sounds a bit like polari, or other cants. Secretlondon 03:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It's pronounced "Kay-Fayb". If you have any WWE DVD's you will hear wrestlers pronounce it like that. KAY FAYB. Worldunderblood 07:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Really? Here's a google groups posting which claims that in a long interview, Rowdy Roddy Piper said, "Kayfabe (which Piper says is pronounced ‘kay fay buh’, not ‘kay fab’) was spoken about..." but unfortunately the video he describes doesn't seem to be available.

Also, I don't deny it's the case, but why are wrestlers speaking of kayfabe on the DVDs? Are they doing bits that are not kayfabe on these videos, or do you just hear them using it in passing to each other? I ask as a person who doesn't know much about the current state of wrestling. --rcousine 21:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Team 3D

I'm removing the part about Team 3D in the Examples of Kayfabe, because they do not share a resemblence.

138.88.60.196 02:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Brendan

I just removed the Dudley Boyz for the same reason. Gitrcollectibles 06:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Kayfabe Confusion

Hi guys, I know pretty much nothing about wrestling but would be interested to know at least some basic facts. I had a look at the kayfabe article and wasn't able to figure out how, and if, it differs from simply "acting". The issue is: if it's just acting then the article could be much shorter, and if it is something different I am not able to grasp that from the article. Is it just me? --Gennaro Prota 17:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Kayfabe refers to the acting; however the events are portrayed as real. For example, WWE doesn't acknowledge that Stephanie McMahon and Triple H are married, nor do they recognize their influence behind the scenes. In Carlito's case, he could simply be making up history to suit his character. Your question may be better suited for the talk: Kayfabe page, however. I'm going to copy and paste part of the discussion over there. This page is about Carlito OsFan 22:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Kayfabe in the modern form could pretty well be summed up as "just acting"; however, kayfabe throughout history encompassed much more. It was an overall mindset of "protecting the business", making it look real to outsiders. Kayfabe was Vince McMahon having Ted DiBiase flown everywhere on a private Lear Jet to make people think he was rich. Kayfabe was Chris Benoit and Woman travel together and sleep in the same hotel room to put over the idea that Woman was cheating on Kevin Sullivan with Benoit (a situation that became real life later). Kayfabe was Jerry Lawler and Andy Kaufman brawling on the set of Late Night with David Letterman. Kayfabe was "Dr. D" David Schultz slapping the crap out of John Stossel because Stossel committed the one cardinal sin that anybody who covered wrestlig could committ at the time--he asked if it was fake. Kayfabe is a little acting, a little stage magic, and (until recently) a whole lot of covering-up. That's just my take anyway. --HBK|Talk 04:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• • I thought the John Stossel thing was real? His whole story was abotu trying to expose the secrets behind wrestling... but he ended up getting slapped. And filing lawsuit. This is the first I have heard of that situation being kayfabe... Khal 19:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

More kayfabe confusion

A few weeks ago on RAW, Vince mentioned that Stephanie was pregnant. Isn't he breaking kayfabe when he says something like that? In the WWE world, Steph and HHH are divorced. So, what is she... knocked-up? In kayfabe, I mean. -Abdullah- 13:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Vince never said that Triple H was the father, although I wonder what they will do when she gives birth. TJ Spyke 18:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a disgusting rumour on this (later proved true by Vince himself on the McMahon DVD) that he was going to kayfabe that he was the dad in an incest angle, when Steph rightfully turned it down he then suggested her brother Shane (yes he really is her brother) to be the father. again this was turned down, thankfully. God Vince is an idiot.

Opening Paragraph

Maybe someone should re-word the part about Diesal and Razor Ramon. At the time Diesal was storyline wise a heel, and not a rival of Triple H(who was also a heel). TJ Spyke 19:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of the opening paragaph, is it only me who finds the wording confusing? Surely it could be simplified in some way? --SesameRambler 15:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Desire Vids?

In what circles are vignettes and the like referred to as "Desire" videos? The Desire videos were a one off thing in 2002 akin to the "I'm not a real athlete" videos from 98 --68.48.204.116 13:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources

This article currently does not have any reliable sources. Anything that cannot be verified is prone to removal. - 00:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That's a shame. This explains pro wrestling better than the pro wrestling page.66.57.225.77 06:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

We still have some sourcing issues especially in regards to internal politics. And hard to source insider knowledge. This is an important article and perhaps we should try and cite some of the shoot videos if there are any. NegroSuave 16:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

We still have sourcing issues in that there are hardly any inline citations for most of the statements made in this article. Almost all of it could, in theory, be removed. It's an entertaining article, but I found myself saying "says who?" at virtually everything.

If it's that hard to source insider knowledge, how did that knowledge make it into the public domain in the first place? --90.206.122.26 (talk) 17:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction

There is a contradiction between this article and Rey Mysterio's. This one mentions that Rey really did quit, while his own article says it was kayfabe. I do not know which is true, though I hope it's the latter. Could someone fill me in and edit the article that is incorrect? -December 30, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.115.143.51 (talk) 04:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

it's the later. He's out with a knee injury.Unopeneddoor 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian Torrie and Dawn

Did Torrie Wison and Dawn marie have a real lesbian relationship like it siad in the article or is it fake (Not kayfabE)

It's fake (Kayfabe)Unopeneddoor 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Curtain Call Incident

Doesn't anybody else think the infamous MSG Curtain Call incident should be mentioned in this article, since it was an important landmark in wrestling kayfabe? Many say it was the day kayfabe died.

I certainly agree Dinsdale1234

• • While the Curtain Call is important, I doubt this is the day kayfabe died - it still lives on. Khal 19:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Kayfabe is pretty dead now. After the Chris Benoit tribute where Mr. Mcmahon came out after he was "dead", everyone should know that wrestling is fake and I've seen many signs of breaking kayfabe (or close to breaking kayfabe)

Eddie Guerrero

Is the dead of Eddie Guerrero a real event, or merely kayfabe? Aside WWE, I have found no notices of it in any news site like CNN or BBC, even though they should report such event on their entertainment sections.

Its a real life event, and many sites like Yahoo and CNN did mention it. They would never fake a performer's death like that. (Domt say Undertaker/Katie Vick/Al Wilson, those are events that are obviously meant to be scripted) --Cronosquall 23:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

look at the new Vince McMahon storyline faking a death there.

Dmanofwiki 09:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, Vickie Gurrero was not much into the WWE until after the death of Eddie

Injuries

I know that sometimes WWE kayfabes injuries for wrestlers so they can take time off (or whatever). Should this be included? I went ahead and added a section for it, but feel free to delete it if you think it shouldn't be included. Another aspect of this section could be when a wrestler is injured in real life, so they make up a storyline to give them some time off. A recent example would be Mr. Kennedy losing his MIB contract to Edge because he was injured and then The Undertaker losing his title to Edge because he also was injured. Nikki311 06:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Massive violation of the GFDL?

What the...? Since when does SmackBot write articles? [1] Why are there no prior revisions? I find it very difficult to believe we did not have an article on Kayfabe until May 7, 2007. Burntsauce 21:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I know I've made edits on the article prior to May 7, 2007, and SmackBot definately did not write this article. Something must be malfunctioning somewhere. Are you refering to GNU Free Documentation License? I'm not sure if it is a violation, but something definately is wrong. Maybe it'll fix itself. Nikki311 21:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

One more note: If you check the talk page history, it has been around since 2005. How could it exist without the article? Maybe this should be reported to some Wikipedia tech support page or something. Clearly, something is malfunctioning. Nikki311 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

If you are familiar with the GFDL, then you know we need to provide a full revision history in order to maintain GFDL-compliancy. Since we can all agree that a robot did not write this article, someone (a developer perhaps?) needs to be contacted so this can be fixed and the history restored. Burntsauce 20:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what I was saying, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do you know? Nikki311 21:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems Danny saw a crap version, deleted without checking the history and then realised his mistake but only restored one revision from the history. The rest should be back now. the wub "?!" 11:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

That isn't hard to believe, but Danny should be more careful given all the hullabaloo taking place about GFDL on the admin board right now. Burntsauce 16:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Vince

Hey I noticed that at the bottom it mentions when Vince McMahon returned he didnt mention the death angle but he actually did and even showed footage of it. I watched RAW last Monday, and I edited it to be more truthfull. I am an amature and I dont know if it is good enough for Wikipedia standerds. ---===

Owen Hart

Given that his death was in the ring, there's a lot of kayfabe-related responses and actions that I think are notable enough for the article. (Audience response, opponent response, and later episode with all of the wrestlers breaking character to discuss Owen Hart as he was in real life.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scandalous (talk • contribs) 21:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

psychic mediumship??

It seems someone has added this section without any citations as a thinly veiled attempt to make psychic mediumship (which I guess refers to spirit readings and the like??) appear fake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.210.9 (talk) 08:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Relevance of the term "Kayfabe"

Why is this annoying, ancient term being used to describe storyline events in nearly every wrestling article that Wikipedia has to offer? It's confusing to people who aren't "in the know" and just makes each article it appears in come off as though it was written by some smart-alecky wrestling fan (notice how I refrained from using the word "mark" there). Why don't we leave words like "kayfabe" where they belong: in the grave with the carnival managers who invented them in the early 1900s. It's 2009---can't we as wrestling fans be a little more normal, a little more "professional" when writing articles, instead of coming across as geeky in-the-know types? 209.62.199.144 (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)fdfdrdry

Why no mention of Andy Kaufman?

Is he not a prime example of the blurred line between kayfabe and reality in his "Andy the Wrestler" persona, the extreme "selling" of kayfabe in his supposed feud w. Andy Lawler, etc. etc.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.31.236 (talk) 01:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

In a related observation: The last time I looked at this page, history didn't begin in 1995 and wasn't limited to WWE. Perhaps this is the inevitable sort of description the subject deserves. Maybe kayfabe is kayfabe when the marks run the circus.--Son of Somebody (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)