Talk:Halo 3: ODST

Wrong?

Its called HALO 3: Recon now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.67.38 (talk) 00:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Well if anything they might just have it where you can toggle it. 99.140.162.254 (talk) 10:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to clear this up, the project was originally called Halo 3:Recon [1] but early on switched the name to Halo 3: ODST [2]--Iner22 (talk) 21:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

New release date, wiki won't let me update it

Halo recon is expected now Fall 2009, please update this on the page just to maintain consistancy with other articles. DarkShroom (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

First header

I know that this was spotted on a list at walmart or whatever, but does this article really need to exist? We have unconfirmed rumors, and only have one source on it. Oh well, I guess we'll find out in the next upcoming days of E3. the cheat 15:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Everything here is speculation; none of the statements can be cited from reliable third-party sources. This article doesn't need to be here. Amalga (talk) 14:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

There: i added a reliable source.OsirisV (talk) 09:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Marathon

I've seen this on other websites. Theres no sources. Each site with "sources" links to its afflicants site. NO SOURCE links to an official article. By all means, this is just a rumour. Halo and Marathon are similar, but have many differences. Their only real similarity is that Bungie made both of them. Many games designers add references to their earlier games onto their newest. Halo had references to ONI, Myth and even Phoenix. All 3 of whom were made by BungieOsirisV (talk) 10:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge

Do we really need an article on this? It's one paragraph about an untitled video game. When it is shown to the public, I could go along with an article, but giving it an article is like giving "Untitled Pikmin Project" an article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

This was already discussed and was decided to be pointless, as we would just have to re-merge it soon when more details about the game emerge. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

But isn't that true about, for instance, Untitled Pikmin Project? It's basically in the same state - Nintendo has a policy of not announcing games until they're near completion, and Miyamoto answered "Yes" to someone asking about a new Pikmin. But regardless, isn't that what all merged articles may eventually accomplish? At this stage in its development, it does not warrant its own article. It's just "Untitled Halo project", and all we know is that MS didn't let Bungie announce it. Don't we usually make articles when they need to be made? I mean, if it's okay to make a paragraph-long article about some unknown Halo game, that pretty much allows for any article about any untitled game in a series to be made as long as it's about this long with proper sourcing. Would you approve of an article called "New The Legend of Zelda Project", just because there's been talk of it ever since TP came out (a new project besides PH)? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If you people want this article to be larger and more descriptive then I suggest a website known as Halopedia. Im a member of it and it has exclusive information about this project and has more information about the Halo series than I seen here so far.--75.50.183.105 (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

New Mombasa

I know I'll get flak for this, but in the trailer an electronic sign clearly says "EMERGENCY--City of New Mombasa;" confirming the city is in fact New Mombasa seconds prior to its destruction by the Prophet of Regret's ship in Halo 2. All I changed in the summary is the fact that the "unknown city" is New Mombasa and that the destruction was caused by the ship. I added no speculation. I also moved the page to a more appropriate title. ShadowUltra (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I think too much emphasis is being placed on the fact that the game is somehow Halo 3-related. A better title would simply have been "Untitled Halo Project" or "Untitled Bungie Project" (although the simplest way to handle this would have been to just make an appropriate section on the Halo series article, rather than an article with a vague title and little substance). We don't know how closely linked this new game is to Halo 3, and from the title and the way it was moved in the series template (into the Main Series row, which I think we can safely say that this game is not a part of; it would have to be Halo 4, and assumptions that this game is Halo 4 or even a Halo 3.5 are wholly unfounded at this point), I believe that readers of the article could be mislead as to the nature of the game. I will readjust the series template, but I'll let the title be, at least for now. -- Comandante {Talk} 22:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You know, it does say "Halo 3" right at the end of the trailer. And sorry, I was the one who moved it into the upper row. I put it in parenthesis to denote its role as an expansion to a main series game, which it is according to the Marketplace. ShadowUltra (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the article into Halo 3:Keep it Clean.

Would there be a problem if we renamed the article Halo 3:Keep it Clean since its the codename thats its being made under? Ripster40 (talk) 03:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

What is your source on this? Just because the trailer is called Keep it Clean doesn't mean the project is. Gor all we know, it's just called that because it's the video version of the Keep It Clean message.OsirisV (talk) 08:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Unless Bungie explictly says the project is "Keep It Clean," we can't go through with the move; all we have to go on currently are rumors and speculation. -- Comandante {Talk} 19:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

So you say its rumors and speculation, isn't this what is going on with the article, most of it compromising of "rumors and speculation?" Ripster40 (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, but you must see the distinction. The reliable sources can discuss rumors and speculation, and that is what you could call "confirmable speculation". YOU putting up unconfirmed information is "original research", and that isn't allowed. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Still falls under rumor and speculation, stop backing up and saying what it is and what it isn't. Last time I checked rumors and speculations are for the Wikia's. Ripster40 (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there you go. Since rumor and speculation don't belong in Wikipedia, there's no reason to change the title of this article into something purely speculative. Since we don't know if the game/project will be called "Halo 3: Keep It Clean," but we do know that it's an untitled game/project somehow related to Halo 3, the placeholder title "Untitled Halo 3 project" fits pretty well. -- Comandante {Talk} 01:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, seems someone decided to delete/merge the article. Idiots waisting time. Ripster40 (talk) 00:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC) A merge or delete shouldnt be done becuase now we know this is a real game, granted an epansion. If it is merged it needs merged into the Halo 3 page. But I think this shoudl be by itself as it is a game that can be played w/o Halo3. It isnt a sequel or a prequel, more of a second POV for the same story as in Halo 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.9 (talk) 16:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

New image

While we all want a more updated cover art, we need an actual URL for the source, not just the domain, if possible; I haven't been able to find the image at all. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 04:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I told you its on xbox.com [[3]] --Deathtrap3000 (talk) 15:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

There, I added it. Was that so hard? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 15:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I restored the first image of the cover art to the article because there appears to be a resolution issue. The new image is too small to be increased to 256px, and the quality suffers. The first image works better, and also has the benefit of not having the Xbox 360 tag across the top, which brings it in line with the cover images of the other Halo game articles. -- Commdor {Talk} 18:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

You could edit the tag out.OsirisV (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Why do that when there's an image that already has it edited out and is large enough for the article? Both images are of the same exact game cover, but the one I readded is of higher quality. There was no need to add the second image when this one works just fine. -- Commdor {Talk} 19:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll just note here that I never noticed that one image was update with the ODST title. My apologies for any inconvenience, but in my defense, at first glance the change isn't easily noticeable, and the image did appear to be of lower quality since it was being stretched. -- Commdor {Talk} 02:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

A perhaps easier and more sensible solution is to just replace the box art with the logotype as it was previously until a higher resolution image pops up. With the release date about a year away, it's entirely possible it will change in the duration anyhow. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 02:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Added some info...

I added some info from the Game Informer issue it was included in, since I saw none myself, although it is pitifully organised imo, so if you want to feel free to tidy it up a bit... -12.77.178.70 (talk) 02:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Gender assumption

You know, we don't know that this ODST trooper is male, she could just as well be a female soldier. (As a matter of fact, I think it's likely that the player character will be female.) Why does the article automatically use male pronouns when the gender is unknown? Sippan (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I second that. There's no reason to go either way at this stage... knowing Bungie this would be a stunt they can pull, and there are precedence in the industry to do it, just look at Samus Aran. I think this article should be re-written in a more gender netral tone, as is suggested by the Wikipedia Manual of Style. -- Henriok (talk) 12:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's hardly "likely" that the player character will be female, but you are correct that it would be best to keep it neutral until an announcement (or at least a voice cast?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 16:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's male, in an article in one of the gaming mag. it states that its male and you do not see the face. --Whtcheddar12 (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide a reference? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 18:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea I'll throw up the reference when I get back to school, I left it in my locker... Whtcheddar12 (talk) 13:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch. If you can just throw up the bibliographic details in raw form or format in {{cite journal}}, either would be great! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 16:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It's referred to as male in the GameInformer article about the game, i belive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.73.147 (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

look up genaric pronouns. he is always used when gender is unidentifible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.29.70 (talk) 21:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but I have seen many wikipedia articles using he/she during these types of situations, also Bungie may pull another fast one on us, like when they made the Arbiter playable during Halo 2, nobody expected that. And since there has been no proof that would put either side in a better position I think we should just change it to he/she. WizardMeatball (talk) 18:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The Rookie is explicitly listed as male in the Bungie Field Guide (look under personnel). The Rookie and all the players save Dare are male. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 18:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Execpt for the Superintendent, that is ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 18:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd assume the Rookie's gender is male because his initials are "J.D.", which could be Jack or John or Joe or some other male name like that. But then, also, the ODST could be female because it could be Julie or Jule or something similar to that first name.--Rollersox (talk) 23:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Rookie vs. Russell

At the top of the page it says that the player plays as an ODST named Russell Norman, but then later it says that as of now the ODST is unnamed and known only as "the Rookie." the source for the Russell Norman doesn't actually say anything about his name. Does anyone know if there is a source that actually does say his name or should he be changed back to the unnamed Rookie? Tithonfury (talk) 05:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I checked all three sources from that paragraph, and none of them mentioned the names of the other four squad mates, just that there are four. The Rookie is mentioned as such, but no other names, much less Russell Norman.Spartan S58 (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Multiplayer Content

This is the current line. "ODST's multiplayer offering is similar to Halo 3's, and will ship with a total of twenty-four maps, including all the zones in Halo 3, as well as three maps unique to ODST.[8]" I propose that we change it to mention the mythic map pack specifically, and differentiate between that and the ODST exclusive maps. I tried to double check the number on the source, but Bnet is having Windows Live ID problems. Once I can chech that, I will make these changes myself. Spartan S58 (talk) 06:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Made the changes.Spartan S58 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Will the multiplayer in ODST be exactly the same as in Halo 3, as in you could play against someone using Halo 3 while you are using ODST? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoarZabimaru (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I assume that identical multiplayer means Forge & Theater will be included in ODST as well? --66.134.7.32 (talk) 04:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm pretty sure they are. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I second jadefalcon's comment. From what I know, ODST will ship as a two disc case. Disc 1 being the ODST campaign, where the player takes control of the Rookie in New Mombassa's streets, firefight mode, etc. Chances are, there may be a Theater mode for this, but not Forge, because there's no multiplayer maps to forge on. Disk 1 would be the Campaign disk. Disk 2 would be the Halo 3 multiplayer, with custom games, matchmaking, forge, and theater, on all Halo 3 multiplayer maps, including Citadel, Longshore, and Heretic. Frogger1093 (talk) 03:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

One and for all the multiplayer section needs to be edited. In my opinion the most confusing thing about Halo 3:ODST is the multiplayer. For a while it never was clear exactly what the multiplayer mode, if there even was one. The most recent information provided by Bungie is that Disc 2 is called "Halo 3 Multiplayer Experience" disc that contains Halo 3 Multiplayer with ALL of the maps. This disc isn't associated with ODST at all other than that it's bundled with it. This sections needs to be edited, ASAP. If I could edit then I would. amariotti (talk) 14:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Release Date source?

I just wonder if the date at the bottom really means that this will be released on that date. No where does it say that this is the release date, it's just a few numbers at the bottom. Please check WP:V before replying.--Iner22 (talk) 21:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

- The Bungie weekly update teases about a release date announcement at the top, and mentions only the Fall 2009 area we already know. Then, at the bottom where it wouldn't make sense to put '4th September 2009' for any other reason, it ends 'PS 04/09/09', typical of Bungie 'humour'. I changed this back once already but if anyone really has a problem, I won't change it again. Haigh21 Rob (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Aside from the fact Bungie is American, and so most likely the date is actually April 9, 2009.... --Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

But April is not in Fall (September is). Rob (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point entirely. We are not a place for speculation, but fact. The URL is not a permissible source. 'Nuff said. --Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

- Fair enough, I won't change it back. But you'll feel silly when they announce the release date fully! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haigh21 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Tada: [4] It's the Mythic Map Pack. --Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ^(talk) 13:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

- I stand corrected, sir. You are right, this time... Rob (talk) 15:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Remember, the Halo 3 Mythic map pack is released around April 9, but there is another Halo 3 map pack to come as well between now and the Release Date. Also search up "halo 3 recon release date september" on google and you get... September 30! P.S. I accidentally undone David Fuchs' edit twice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HawkFromHell (talk • contribs) 10:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC) I'd rather wait until this week's update on Bungie.net before putting the exact date on there. Remember, there can be any speculation on the date, but until Bungie formally reveals the release date, I would say that these sources are too unreliable.--Iner22 (talk) 19:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right. Maybe we could add this in the trivia; "The release date is speculated to be somewhere in September" or something like that.--HawkFromHell (talk) 10:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC) Just leaving a lonely "2009" won't help though. I added in "Fall 2009" instead - Fall 2009 gives more information than just 2009, maybe we could put in a September 2009 if it is reliable enough. Time will tell though, time will tell... --HawkFromHell (talk) 10:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC) I just noticed that someone has posted a date: September 20. According to the specified source, it is September 30. What should we do?--HawkFromHell (talk) 07:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Now, we don't have to do anything. Someone edited it to be the same as the source, and the source is definitely reliable. Remember, if you have the source be bold!--Iner22 (talk) 17:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I was the one who edited it. I knew that it was September 30. Now that's over and done with, maybe Release Date Source can be closed. The date on the bottom of Bungie Weekly whatever was the release date of Halo 3 mythic map pack.--HawkFromHell (talk) 09:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

This topic has been closed under authority of: Nobody. Absolutely nobody.--HawkFromHell (talk) 09:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

New Info

There's just been tons of new info released by Bungie at their site (ex- scheduled release date is Sept 22, 2009, a new gamemode called "Firefight" which is sort of like a Halo 3 version of Nazi Zombies, etc, etc) Go to the Halo 3: ODST project page at Bungie.net. I suggest updating the page so it agrees with all the new info released.

70.119.157.33 (talk) 21:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

pre-order token

About Johnsson and participating retailers, I have not seen a list in the article. Is this list complete? Mallerd (talk) 14:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Since no-one else has responded, I will. While I can't comment on any other country, the UK list seems complete. It accounts for all the places I know about that do it, anyway.

Related question: I pre-ordered ODST from GAME in person. Now their site says you have to pre-order online. Will I get the token? Because nowhere on any advert have I seen that it has to be ordered online and I'm fairly sure that the GAME shop I frequent had a sign up detailing it one day. If I don't get Johnson, I'm going to throw a temper tantrum. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ratings

They've missed out a rating, the BBFC rating, 18. I don't know why they'd rate it an 18, but there you go--78.148.36.17 (talk) 10:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there's more gore than the other Halo games (wouldn't surprise me given that this is going to be a more down-to-Earth game). Do you have a source? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Quite frankly i don't have a source but what you presumed is probably correct--89.241.58.129 (talk) 09:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts, the BBFC aren't rating games anymore. PEGI's taking over. Will they do this before or after ODST comes out? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, i really can't be sure about that, i reckon BBFC will continue rating games--84.13.109.249 (talk) 12:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

They can't. PEGI's taking over completely thanks to ELSPA's government petition and is even going to start trying to rate online interactions (to which I say, good luck). The only thing that matters is when they take over. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Just checked. According to PC Gamer, PEGI takes over at some point in September. Whether this means that September will be the month that BBFC rated games stop coming out or the BBFC will stop rating games in September is unclear. This means that ODST will either be PEGI-rated only or one of the last BBFC rated games. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Additional proof leaning towards the game not being BBFC rated: in all of the adverts I've seen for it, I've only seen the new PEGI logos. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

UK's GAME presells are listed with PEGI 16+ http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Action/Shooter/~r342218/Halo-3-ODST-including-Halo-Reach-BETA-Access/ 96.3.141.210 (talk) 20:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Voiceover cast

New trailer - Dutch is voiced by Adam Baldwin and Mickey by Alan Tudyk. Anyone care to edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.195.229.237 (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any citations for this? Baldwin's only done random Marines before (though I'd be more willing to believe Alan Tudyk as he hasn't played in Halo before). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore the ViDoc you're quoting doesn't specifically say who's doing the voices. It sounds like them, to be sure, but let's get a real source. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 12:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll tell you what I know...

1. Veronica ("Dare") - Tricia Helfer (source)
2. Edward Buck ("Buck") - Nathan Fillion
3. Taylor Miles ("Dutch") - Adam Baldwin (no source)
4. Kojo Agu ("Romeo") - no idea
5. J.D. ("The Rookie", name unknown) - none/unknown
6. Michael Crespo ("Mickey") - no idea

-- OsirisV (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

IMDB cites Adam Baldwin and Nathan Fillion as the above voices. Alan Tudyk is listed as 'rumoured' to be Mickey on IMDB, but Alan Tudyk WAS in the voice cast for Halo 3 (at least IMDB says he was, and they are a fairly reputable source). - anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.147.14.9 (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sign posts with the big button at the top of the edit window. As for rumours, Wikipedia has no truck with them. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Differences with Halo 3

Hasnt it been stated by Bungie in an interveiw all the differences in gameplay between ODST and Halo 3, for example the engine is the same but they have made some major improvements graphics-wise. Also since the player is not a spartan, just a regular human you are more vulnerable to gunfire ( as stated in the article ) however we havent put that you now you cannot dual wield weapons as they are too heavy and require a specialised hand to be able to handle the recoil of the weapons effectively whilst also hitting a target, also as a human you will not be able to use covenant weapons because you have not been trained or have any understanding of how to use them, also i think it was mentioned in a Q & A session with Bungie im sure it said that using covenant vehicles is now also gonna be impossible again, due to not understanding how it works. Personally i think it would have been cool if you could use the vehicles and weapons just maybe with not as much proficiancy as el master chief-o. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.5.164 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, we have seen Covenant weapons used by ODSTs in the game.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention Covenant weapons have been in use by Marines since the first Halo game. Peptuck (talk) 02:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

A source would be nice though. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

When Captain Keyes wields a needler on the level where you rescue captain keys, as well as when he pilots a Spirit Dropship. ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 02:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about the interview in general. I remembered the Keyes thing etc. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(this is the original poster) Ohh well im actually very relieved if it transpires that you can have covenant weapons afterall :) and i dont have a source in writing it was on a video on youtube i saw heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATKetgM3gs

and he asks him about the questions about 2 mins 38 seconds into the video (just of you dont want tos sit through the entire thing), also i forgot to mention that you cant jump as high as the master chief can either. even if this doesnt count as a citation (im not sure if you accept things in a video format) at any rate you should definately check it out anyways if you havent already seen it, its a Q & A session from E3, inside xbox got the scoop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.5.84 (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sign your posts and speak in English. Other people don't want to have to translate words before they can understand you. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm from England and speak fluent english. Theres just a noisy kid where i'm staying and i couldn't give typing my full attention plus i'm only trying to help theres no need to be condescending. 90.216.101.32 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I'm just fed up of reading text by illiterate people who can't type to save their life. This made me assume you were one of them: "(just of you dont want tos sit through the entire thing)" --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I see, well I apologise (no sarcasm) it was simply that I could not concentrate 100% on typing, you were totally right about me not signing my posts that is something i shall invent in, in the future. 81.77.223.96 (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry if I insulted you, fellow Englishman. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

did you have to be an ass mr --Thejadefalcon...69.34.111.9 (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Is yes an acceptable answer? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Let's not get all worked up about something normal...--Rollersox (talk) 03:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. I'm used to that sort of question. I find it funny. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you can't dual-wield because your Body Suit (ODST armor) doesn't support it, like MJOLNIR Mark V. Strength may also have something to do with it, but the main reason is the Body Suit limitations. Moni7or (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? And what on Earth do you mean 'doesn't support it'? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe that you cannot dual-wield because your armor doesn't possess the strength of your original MJOLNIR Mark IV or V or whatever it is.I also agree with Moni7or.--Rollersox (talk) 17:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

ODST

Halo 3: ODST is about "the Rookie", whoever he is, correct? Does any single part of this game take place on a ship (other than the HEV or other)? I'm not very sure about this, since I don't have any sources, unfortunately.--Rollersox (talk) 17:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The game starts on the ship they drop from. No, the "rookie" is not the only playable character, and the plot does not centre around him. You play his other squadmates throughout the game.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

So "the Rookie" is not the only playable character? Okay...thanks.--Rollersox (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What I understand of it, the plot centres around the Rookie trying to find out what happened to and subsequently meet up with his squad. Every now and then, he'll find a piece of evidence that will start a flashback from the point of view of the squad member in that area, then move back to the Rookie as he pieces what happened together. That's what I understand of the game anyway. Doesn't matter. We'll find out in... oh, forty days. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

24, you mean.-- OsirisV (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the information.--Rollersox (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Whatever, Osiris. I wasn't actually counting. Now I am. :P This computer lists the date as the 19th of July, anyway. Useless public computer. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Where do you live? I live in Bellevue, Washington State. Currently it's 9/2/2009, 2018 hours military time (8:18 PM civilian time).--Rollersox (talk) 03:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Random question. :P Barton-le-Clay, Bedfordshire, England. 03/09/2009, 1636 hours. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

'CANNOT WAIT for Halo 3: ODST...coming out in 18 days (2 weeks 4 days)!!!--Rollersox (talk) 01:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's probably why you're editing the Wikipedia article on it. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh...kind of true...not really though if you ask me. I just love Halo.--Rollersox (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

7 days! ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 02:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Are we actually supposed to be counting down on Wikipedia? :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know...but 2 DAYS!!!--Rollersox (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

-18 hours! ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 01:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Saying it on the 23rd? Fail of epic proportions. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I got cigar-choppin' Marine Sgt. Major Avery Johnson on the 21st of September!--Rollersox (talk) 21:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was trying to say Negative 18 hours, but my negative sign looked like a dash (which it was), so ya, epic fail ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 04:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Filthy Americans. *shakes fist at Rollersox* Anyway, like I said, despite the amusement Assasin Joe (you are aware it's "assassin," aren't you?) has caused me, this isn't forum. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Weapon at first

In the Halo 3: ODST trailer, I saw that the rookie had a submachine gun-like weapon. Just to clarify, is it a SMG or a carbine? It seems more of an SMG to me, but just to make sure. Thanks.--Rollersox (talk) 01:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It's the M7 Suppressed Sub-machine gun (M7S SMG), a variant of the M7 only seen elsewhere in Halo 2 Vista.-- OsirisV (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.--Rollersox (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait a second...aren't they making a new variant of the M7S SMG that has some kind of scope on it for the Rookie?--Rollersox (talk) 03:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it also has a scope on it that when looked through the zoom mode appears to be exactly like the Battle Rifle's zoom. (SkyJW15 (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC))

Such a relief...at last a SMG with a scope! Yes!--Rollersox (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

ODST Name.

Okay I'm pretty sure ODST doesn't mean "On Duty Super Troopers". Its more like "Orbital Shock Drop Troopers". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.15.227.53 (talk) 07:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism. Its been reverted. Peptuck (talk) 07:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers".--Rollersox (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll give you a source for the ODST name: page 65 of Halo: Fall of Reach: "John could tell they were special forces—Orbital Drop Shock Troopers."-- OsirisV (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh. Persistent vandal. Also, he tried to hijack that ref you used, Osiris. Peptuck (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I wish we knew who the vandal was. Eh. I'm going to check my Fall of Reach novel. Perhaps it's in there.--Rollersox (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously Osiris is right...whoever vandalized this was obviously incorrect.--Rollersox (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This is technically resolved, correct?--Rollersox (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe so, yes. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's quite a relief...:P--Rollersox (talk) 03:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Campaign Co-Op

There is no mention of the ability to play Co-Op in the campaign. I came to ths page to see if the game had it, but it didn't say. I've looked elsewhere to confirm that it does have Co-Op for up to 4 Players for the Campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8wk2bbeq8 There's no edit button on the page right now, so if someone who can edit it wants to update it, that would be cool.

Aren't you talking about the 'Firefight' mode of Halo 3: ODST? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.--Rollersox (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No, they're talking about normal co-op, playing through the game together. To be honest, I haven't heard a word about it. I'm not sure if this is because it's fairly bland and Bungie simply haven't bothered commenting on it, or if it's because, due to the open world nature of the game, they haven't implemented co-op. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay...well I haven't really heard of a "co-op", but I guess it's true...--Rollersox (talk) 01:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Having thought a bit more, I doubt there will be co-op. After all, if it's an open world game, you can go off in any direction. If one player went one way and the second went another, that would give the game a real headache if it had to try to load two areas at once. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:06, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah..the co-op. Okay. I get it now. Sorry for not understanding...Anyway, I'm skeptical about a co-op in Halo 3: ODST...--Rollersox (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

There is, I saw the leaked ending with a bit of gameplay, it showed that there were two players on the game. I will NOT give you the video link as that would spoil tremendously.-- OsirisV (talk) 00:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I really doubt there will be any kind of co-op campaign in Halo 3: ODST, as I've already said, because don't they already have Firefight? I think that's enough for Bungie or Microsoft Games Studios. My opinion!--Rollersox (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

This isn't a beware of spoilers. If it's a reliable source and is linked then it may be mentioned in the article. Noneofyour (talk) 01:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

True...except sometimes you just don't want to see spoilers and you want to see things for yourself...not on a real-life video...--Rollersox (talk) 01:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I can handle it, Osiris. Besides, we might have seen it already. :P Are you sure it wasn't splitscreen multiplayer? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The player pressed a button and it showed a menu listing two users playing the game, like you'd do in other Halo games. It was only showing one players view, so if it was split-screen then it must have been changed to one-person mode via Theatre. After fighting, the ending cutscene takes place. So, either someone merged a Firefight game with the ending cutscene, or ODST has co-op.-- OsirisV (talk) 12:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Give a link and I'll give my opinion. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I did give the link at the very beginning! Here's the same link again, this time with the time index: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8wk2bbeq8#t=2m40s "And the campaign, of course, has full co-op play. So you can play it with 3 of your friends, for a total of 4 ODSTs charging around the city." - Joseph Staten, Creative Director of Bungie.--Xandor (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my apologies. I was under the impression we were talking about a different video. It's a moot point now anyway now that the game's out. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I've seen it already. :P...no matter. I think it is splitscreen multiplayer, although I'm not that sure.--Rollersox (talk) 01:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I removed the split screen statement. They didn't specifically say split screen in the source, just that you can play with four players. As Halo 3 only support 2 player locally and 4 players via Xbox Live, it's likely to be the same case. But until we know for sure, we can't assume either way. --Teancum (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I have video of a G4TV podcast on my Zune showing the splitscreen, but who knows if that's system link or not. I picked up the game Wednesday, and the box says "players 1-4, co-op 2-4, system link 2-16" but I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet (still finishing MUA2). Confusion there stems from Firefight and the fact that I've bought other games (Saint's Row 2) which were incorrectly marked (box says "players 1-2, co-op 2, system link 2," but in fact supports only Live or system link play, no "couch co-op"). I'll likely get the chance to confirm tonight.214.3.138.234 (talk) 13:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)Steve

Okay, it's splitscreen 2-player co-op. I confirmed it on my own copy of the game. 71.171.87.248 (talk) 03:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Steve

Release Dates and Ratings

ESRB: M17+

PEGI: 16+

OFLC (both Austrailia and New Zealand): 18

CERO (Japan): D17+ (they included us and it's kinda stupid if we didn't list all ratings regardless of language)

BBFC: isn't rating since PEGI is taking over all ratings in September, also http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Action/Shooter/~r342218/Halo-3-ODST-including-Halo-Reach-BETA-Access/ Game lists ODST with a PEGI rating.

Release Dates

Japan: 9.24.09

Everyone else: 9.22.09

All info was found using XBOX.com and our own discussing here. 96.3.141.210 (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Xbox.com is considered a good source due to having to log on to access it (or something). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that the New Zealand rating will be R16 as that's what Halo 3 is and ODST isn't dissimilar to it. R18 ratings are reserved for games like GTA IV, Soldier of Fortune Payback, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 09:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. Opinion counts for nothing. If you have a citation for it, fine, but otherwise any post that starts with "I'm fairly sure" is likely to be viewed as opinion, especially if it has no mention of seeing a source somewhere. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Actual name

There's this really annoying thing that's been bugging me from the start: what the hell does J.D. stand for? I mean, I know that the Rookie's initials are "J.D.", but what do they stand for?!?!--Rollersox (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

There's something about that rookie, everything's classified like he was ONI. J.D. huh? How about John Doe,? It could be a cover name though.-- OsirisV (talk) 07:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

What does J.D. stand for in real life (I've heard it used as a name before)? There's your answer. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh...there's Joe Davie, Joe Davis, Joe Davidson, Joe Doe, Jack Dare, Jack Davie, Jack Davis, Jack Doe, John Donut...and about 500,000 more...thanks for helping :P--Rollersox (talk) 21:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh... okay. I was kind of hoping there would only be one name that was a "true" J.D. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Also John Dorian (Scrubs, anyone?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 09:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Umm...what?--Rollersox (talk) 03:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

There's a TV show called Scrubs. It's some sort of hospital parody. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Skulls

In Halo 3: ODST in the Firefight campaign, what do the skulls do? Do they make the Covenant stronger, or do they make you stronger? Also, how do you get skulls? Do you get them from the Firefight campaign, the real campaign, or something else? Thanks...just to make sure, you know.--Rollersox (talk) 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Those are reused Halo 3 skulls. Some rounds have a skull activated to make gameplay harder. The Skulls mostly effect the enemy to make them stronger, though one of the Skulls in Firefight means you have to melee to get health back.-- OsirisV (talk) 08:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the information. :)--Rollersox (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Black Eye skull. It's shields back. Health is non-existent in modern Halo games. It's worse than that. Apparently, the skulls are randomly activated. You might have round nineteen with two skulls on (say, Iron and Famine), round twenty with none on and round twenty-one with everything on. I'll send flowers to your funeral. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...you're so optimistic you know. :P.--Rollersox (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

That's why I'm still alive. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually believe that in Halo 3: ODST you have only health and no shields due to ODST's different armor.

That would make sense in terms of Canon consistency, now that I think about it. And I remember one trailer that showed you falling from your crashed capsule onto the ground ten metres down. The screen flashed red, like it does in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. If you have no shields to monitor, I'd say that would be the best way to say "you're in trouble, duck and cover." But a regenerating health system is what Bungie is likely to go for, given one thing I read about why it appeared in Halo 2, but goes against what the Black Eye skull does. (frowns) Maybe the skull's effect is changed? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Ignore everything above. I've just noticed the section on health and stamina in the article. The Black Eye skull probably restores lost permanent health. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

2009-09-14 assessment for B-Class

Unfortunately as this article is still missing the Reception section and a proper Plot it needs to remain start class. However given the quality of work put into it thus far once the reviews come in and the Reception section is fleshed out I can easily see this becoming GA-Class. In the meantime there are a few things that could use some work:

• Some references need to be updated to the proper citation style: refs 9, 10, 12, 13, 47, 49, 50 51, 52.
• The Rookie concept art picture might look better with a right-justify
• A picture of Firefight would be useful
• The intro could use some expansion.

Again, considering how good things look thus far I'd skip B-Class and go straight for a GA nomination. I could see this being GA by October 1 if the same quality of editing is kept up. --Teancum (talk) 15:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Now if only I had the time and/or knowledge of how to do those things. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I attempted to do the picture despite no experience with pictures at all. Did I succeed? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea how to add pictures to Wikipedia or what the rules about them are. So, here's a big mighty list of Firefight pictures for your guys to sort through. I've attempted to find ones without watermarks on (barring Bungie's), but I may have missed them. I'm kind of partial to the second one.

Three ODSTs, six Jackals, Phantom

Two ODSTs, Johnson, Grunt, blood

Four ODSTs, four Jackals, plasma explosion

Three ODSTs, Jackal, Phantom, two Hunters

HUD (including gamertags) and I'm not counting

Four ODSTs, two Jackals, Grunt, Phantom, plasma grenade

Two ODSTs, two Brute Chieftains (look left), Jackal, blood

Again, not counting

Three (four?) ODSTs, Phantom, blood

Any of those suitable for Wikipedia? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Achievements

Sudden thought: Has anyone heard anything about this game's Achievements? Because if it comes on two separate discs, surely that would mean each disc would have its own Achievements. Microsoft demand that every full game have a thousand Gamerscore (or so I'm told). However, The Orange Box, which has five games in it (Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Episode One, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Portal and Team Fortress 2), only had one thousand Gamerscore (divided between the lot of them) rather than five thousand. This, to me, implies that the Gamerscore is per disc. So does this mean that ODST, with two game discs, will have two thousand Gamerscore total (one thousand for the campaign, one thousand for multiplayer)? Because that would keep me happy until Dragon Age: Origins comes out. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes and no. Disk 2 - I believe - would have Halo 3s Multiplayer achievements, including Achievements added for the Mythic Map Pack. If you already got some of the achievements on Halo 3's Multiplayer, you won't be able to get those ones again on the Multiplayer Disk.-- OsirisV (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's good. I don't have Xbox Live yet. Win! So ODST will have 1000G, and the multiplayer will have Halo 3's Achievements, correct? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

No Its saying it is likely that if you play the multiplayer you can get achievments inside Halo 3, while Halo 3: ODST achievments are likely to be strictly Singleplayer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefatmonkey (talk • contribs) 22:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(looks up) Isn't that what I said? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Expansion or Prequel?

I realized in the intro it states that ODST is an expansion, though in light of current information showing that it is actually a full sized, free roam game with presumably an 8-10 hour campaign, wouldn't it be better to call it a Standalone Prequel to Halo 3 or maybe just a Standalone Game? (SkyJW15 (talk) 05:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC))

It was intended to be a short campaign for an expansion (possibly DLC) of Halo 3. After a while, they realised that as they put so much into it, they decided it should be a game in its own right. -- OsirisV (talk) 10:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand that but now that it is a full game, shouldn't it be changed from an expansion to a full game? (SkyJW15 (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

No, it is still a standalone expansion. It carries the Halo 3 name. If it was just Halo: ODST, it would most likely be a separate game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.166.58 (talk • contribs)

Actually, a reason developers will name a game using a previous title is because the engine it is using is the same as a previous games, which ODST is doing with Halo 3's engine. If it were an expansion, the title would impose that the game is an expansion to Halo 3, even though it would technically be an expansion to Halo 2 since it happens within that games storyline instead of Halo 3's. (SkyJW15 (talk) 22:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

New Release Date

In Washington at least one Microsoft store opened at 4:00 on 9-21-09. People were able to buy Halo 3: ODST and did (the line went around the block). This would, technically, make the release date 9-21-09. Should we change the release date on the Wiki? RolandRock (talk) 02:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

No because the official date is the 22nd and any thing that a shop does (even if it is microsoft) cannot be concidered official. If we did change the date then when it was released early in France.  rdunnPLIB  09:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Sergeant Johnson

How exactly does Johnson download? Is it into a file? Because I've got a code, but I want to know if I can download it to my hard drive and then swap it over to a bigger hard drive when I buy it and still be able to play as him. Is that possible, or is he locked to the hard drive he's downloaded to? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

You type the code in and it downloads a 106kb file to your harddrive. if you want to move it then you have to then follow the instructions that everything else does when they get moved (ie signing into LIVE on it first use on the new HDD). however the file is only useable on the account that downloaded it in the first place and if for any reason you lose you gamertag and then recover it (eg a broken xbox) you cannot then redownload him as it is a oneoff thing. Is that understandable?  rdunnPLIB  10:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed my thoughts and hopes, basically. Thanks (I have zero experience with XBL so far, so when I do get it, I didn't want Johnson stuck on my smaller mere 20GB hard drive). The only thing I'm confused about is the recovering of the account if the Xbox breaks. How would that break Johnson? Or do you mean if the hard drive breaks and I lose the data, I can't play as Johnson any more? If so, I'll keep him on every hard drive I buy. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

If the xbox breaks be the hard drive is ok then you just need to be signed into LIVE the first time you use him on your new machine. If you go to the usage restrictions option before you download something or even just go to a random file on the marketplace and select the option but dont download the said file, there is further info there about transfers.

BUT if the hard drive breaks and you then recover your gamertag on a new drive then you cannot use/download Johnson ever again as he is a one off download. The email you got w/the code should have infomation at the bottom of it as well.  rdunnPLIB  09:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

So, all good as long as I keep him on every possible memory thing. Thanks! I had hoped it would be like that. Glad to know for sure. ... but that does seem a little unfair. Do Microsoft ever look into this sort of thing? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

in adition to what i wus trying to say was that only one copy of him is allowed to be owned by you. (dam my memory) ((adition) Microsoft are generally unhelpful with these sorts of matters)  rdunnPLIB  12:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, curses. Darn Microsoft. Next thing I know, the disc-read errors will hit me. Because that's how great my luck is. So I better wait until I have a bigger hard drive then and get him on that one. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Language?

In Halo 3: ODST, Dare and Buck and all the other ODSTs seem to be speaking some European language...just wondering...--Rollersox (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

mostly they speak english but in places it sounds like spanish or esparanto.  rdunnPLIB  09:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the game is also available in multiple languages, so if you saw a YouTube video or something, that may be the case. --Teancum (talk) 09:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Would this European language happen to be English? (is gagged) --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

two langages are used. English/whatever in the main game. For cutsceans mostly English/whatever is used with a little bit of the other language (ie in a couple of sentances in the cutsceans surrounding the ONI and Phantom/Banshee levels.  rdunnPLIB  12:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Disk troubles

the disk has troubles loading, a few friends have the same problem I do, when it loads for the first time, takes like forever, and something we observed is that, if something goes wrong, the screen turns blue, you must go to xbox dashboard and try again