User talk:Just Step Sideways

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Hey this is Wrightman690. You sent me a message about the Eighty Four page. Well sir, I live in Eighty Four and all the theories that I posted are commonly held amongst the people of Eighty Four, and I believe that it is wrong to only have one theory on the Wikipedia page. The theory that is posted about President Cleveland is not even the most widely held theory amongst the town's people. Most people say they believe it is named Eighty Four because it was the eighty fourth stop on the rail road that ran through our town. But whichever theory is correct is, and always will be, a hotly debated issue amongst the people here, which is why I believe all theories held by the people should be aloud to be posted on the Wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrightman690 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

• Please see Wikipedia policies on original research and verifiability of content. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

This is not undocumented. There is a independent documentary made by the bloggers who's website is located at eight-fourglyde.blogspot.com. They travel to my town and they ask people why the believe it is named Eighty Four. None of the theories I presented were not mentioned, at least once in this documentary. Sir, I mean no disrespect, but I feel you are disrespecting my town. My town is a great place and I feel you are diminishing it. So I ask you this, what stake do you have in this? None. But the people of Eighty Four do. You are disrespecting our town. If you do not allow all the theories to the origin of the name of the town, we will contact Wikipedia with a petition of people who want all the theories to remain on the website, and ask that your account be banned from editing the Eighty Four page.

A blog is not a reliable source. Please take your hollow, laughable threats elsewhere. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Just wait buddy. Just wait.

Shanta Creek Fire

Hey good work on the Shanta Creek Fire article. I just came across it while doing some work on Andrew Berg. I was in the Kenai/Soldotna area during the fire and being from Pennsylvania, had never seen anything like that before. It was wild to say the least. Grsz¹¹ 01:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the feedback, hope you enjoyed Alaska despite the smoke! Beeblebrox (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

John Stearns

As a New York Mets fan, I've been going through some of my favorite players as a kid, and adding to their sites. I've also added to the season pages. Yankees10 is up to his old tricks again. He keeps undoing my edits to John Stearns. He keeps removing stolen bases from his infobox and silly little nonsense like that.

Several of the articles I've expanded were stubs that I believe that I've very definitely positively contributed toward. Check my contributions if you don't believe me. He, on the other hand, just lives to mess with other people's work. Something needs to be done.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 00:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• I would recommend you report this at the administrator noticeboard in order to solicit feedback from a wider audience. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Palin's house

Your image upload of Palni's house violates her privacy. It should not have been uploaded, and has been nominated for deletion.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 04:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Just a note to say thanks for protecting Safe sex for a couple of days. I think it will be helpful, as editors will spend less time blindly reverting each other and more time finding common points of agreement. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Hopefully this can be worked out. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Astroturfing

Please revert to the more inclusive version "18:37, 20 September 2009 Verbal (talk | contribs)" -MBHiii (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, no. The point of protection is to stop edit warring, not to endorse a particular position. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Meat on the Bone

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Psytrance artists

Hello Beeblebrox, thank you for your message and informations. PsyBrain (talk) 09:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Mirror neuron

Looks like we sprotected it at the same time. Just to let you know that I've no problem with the 1 week instead of the 2 weeks I put on it at first. - Bobet 16:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

• I already changed it back since you were apparently there first. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Alright. - Bobet 16:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Avatar (Xbox 360)

Protecting the article wasn't exactly nessesary, you couldv'e simply blocked the user who commited all the vandalism instead. • GunMetal Angel 18:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Riva-Melissa Tez

Following your dismissal of my speedy delete request for this article, I have done some more research. Please look at Talk:Riva-Melissa Tez, and if possible reconsider your claim that notability is asserted. Thanks. RolandR 21:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

James Florence

Could you explain why James Florence (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) does not meet the criteria for speed deletion wrt WP:Copyvio problems. The original article is a copy of part of this, this, and there are no clean copies since then. The website claims copyright with no wikipedia compliant licence. I have listed the article at WP:Copyright problems. Martin451 (talk) 00:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• An article that is nothing but a word for word copy of another page can be speedy deleted. That is not the case here, and it is more appropriate to list at the copyvio noticeboard as you now have. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: blanking content

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

With all due respect, I'm not blanking any content, but merely re-posting an updated article. The article you restored dates from 2007. I'm not sure if you know, but the UHSA School of Medicine has a new administration in place as of now, and all their academic programs have been restructured, for example, they have a nursing school now, and have eliminated all their distance learning programs. The present article on UHSA is inaccurate and outdated. So, I would really appreciate it if you could help me write a new and updated article. Thank you for your time and have a good day :-) DrGladwin (talk) 00:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

And just to add, the user Leuko (talk) holds a personal grudge and biased views against this particular medical school. DrGladwin (talk) 00:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not convinced that is the case, but it really doesn't matter. You are edit warring, regardless of the validity of your edits. If you find your edits being reverted, the proper course of action is to discuss on the talk page, not just keep re-inserting the same information. More information on this topic is here. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I’d like you to carefully ready the UHSA article and confirm for resources used. For example, the 11th reference –

"At their best, international medical schools give their students the education and training needed to enter a residency program in the United States, and those graduates who become physicians go on to serve many patients. At their worst, international medical schools take unfair advantage of desperate students, by accepting candidates who are woefully unprepared for the rigors of medical education, the USMLE, or the practice of medicine."[11]"

The above is not true; the NAAHP never made these claims and you can confirm this by visiting their website.

The 10th reference -

Kansas has filed suit against a dentist for using the title "M.D." without complying with state licensing requirements after obtaining a medical doctorate through an accelerated 18 month course of internet classes, clinical rotations and lectures at UHSA.[10]

The above is a broken link. From the above, the “Controversy and criticism” is no longer valid.

Now, if you look up references 4, 5, and 6 – these are completely outdated or only apply to the older non-existent UHSA academic programs. Sir, will you help me do something about this? Thanks. DrGladwin (talk) 05:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not even going to read that. I don't have any interest in taking a side in your content dispute/edit war, and my talk page is not the place for such a conversation anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Regarding your rejection of the User:HB123469 report at AIV

Hello Beeblebrox. It has come to my attention that you had rejected my report of User:HB123469 at AIV because the level 4im warning that the user had received was apparently invalid/inappropriate. Apparently, I need to make a few clarifications. First, although a level 4im warning was issued to the vandal, I am not the person who actually issued said warning; the warning message had actually been posted by someone else, as you can see here and here. Second, according to the comment that was included with the 4im warning message that was given to the vandal, it seems that the vandal may have used one or more sockpuppets to create similar bad articles; this appears to be the reason that the 4im warning level was selected at the time the vandal was warned. SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 09:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• I understand all that, it does not change my feeling that the user was insufficiently warned. If they are a sockpuppet, WP:SPI is the place to report them. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

OneFinger

The creator (and main editor) of the article requested deletion on the AFD. The tag was csd-g7. The article should have been deleted. Joe Chill (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• I stand by the reasoning I gave in my edit summary. What's the rush anyway? Beeblebrox (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm just going by the speedy deletion policy. Joe Chill (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Just because it could be done does not mean it must be done. There's no harm in letting the AFD continue. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Request

Would you mind removing your this comment from my RFA ? I don't disagree with your point per se, but I think the opposer provided useful information about my editing history, which the closing bureaucrat and other reviewers can judge to arrive at their own conclusion. I would really like it if we don't end up commenting on the oppositions' motives, since that makes the RFA process unnecessarily confrontational. I know this request is unconventional, but would appreciate if you would consider it. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 23:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Geez, I'm not sure what to do now. I went over to the guys talk page just "sniffing around" for some idea of why he's acting like that, and he's just been indef blocked for disruptive editing and sock puppetry, so probably the whole remark should be removed or indented. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• I just checked, and someone did just that, so I guess this is
  Resolved
  Beeblebrox (talk) 00:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the issue is moot, but I nevertheless appreciate your effort in responding to my request. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at a talk page for me?/ WP:OVERSIGHT

Greetings!

I am in need of an admin's guidance/assistance/watchful eye/whatever. Since you were the one that took note note of the Doctor Steel debate and put the page into AfD, I figured you might be the best person to come to; you seem like a fair guy.

Since the Doctor Steel page passed AfD, I have been religiously watching the page (I'm a bit OCD, I refresh my watch list every hour or two) to make sure nobody came in and added inappropriate "promotional" content, as the admins feared, and also that nobody vandalized the page, a concern of mine. Recently, someone was trying to add to the page Dr. Steel's "real name." Now this was entirely conjecture on their part, but they were adamant in placing it there even after I removed it.

I started a section on the talk page about it, and this person posted, and his posts began to sound more and more like an agenda. (From what I am told from inside sources, there is currently a behind-the-scenes legal dispute going on that this discussion does not help, either.) The person always posts anonymously, but always from the same IP address (68.81.18.87). (I know nothing else about him other than he also posts a lot on the Bubba the Love Sponge page, and a Google search showed he posts in the Howard Stern Wiki a lot, also anonymously. WHOIS shows his ISP as Comcast.)

Not really sure what I want done at this point, other than to bring this person's poor behavior to the attention of the admins. Which I have now done.

There has been some discussion about locking the Doctor Steel page temporarily. I don't think that is entirely necessary at this point, but it is an option I might pursue should this sort of behavior continue. (Ideally, I'd like to see the whole talk section regarding the name dispute expunged, but I didn't think that would be ethical, especially if it didn't come from an admin.)

I just wanted to make the admins aware this was going on. Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.

Regards,

--Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 21:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• I've gotta leave for a few hours, but I'll have a look when I get back this evening. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Well, that is a little troubling. The article doesn't need protecting at this stage, but if there are repeated attempts to add unverified information it can be reported at WP:RPP. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was troubling. Which is why, after conferring with one of Dr. Steel's close personal friends, I decided it was necessary to bring it to your attention. Now that I know about RPP, I may ask for semi-protection if it continues. Hopefully it won't. Anyway, thanks for your help and your input, I appreciate it.

Regarding the removal of that section of the talk page, I'm thinking that wouldn't be ethical, am I right? --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 05:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not sure, because I don't know if personal information really has been revealed. In other words, if his real name is in there somewhere, and he does not want it published, we might be able to make a case to use WP:OVERSIGHT to get it permanently removed, not only from the page but from it's history as well. That procedure is somewhat over my head, only a few admins have the ability oversight material. It seems you may be in a position to confirm or deny whether actual personal information has been revealed. If it has, we can look into getting it oversighted. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this information. I will relay it and see if they feel this needs done, and get back to you. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 06:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I just received this from Dr. Steel's close friend Kato (who runs his fan club site):

"The name being used was that of a person linked to legal disputes which effect Dr.Steel's company. This is just as bad, if not worse than if Dr.Steel's old name had been posted. This is private information that should not be available on Doc's wiki page so I see no reason as to why this would not be valid reason to have it oversighted."

Let me know if and how we can proceed from here. Thanks. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 20:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• Well that's maybe even more alarming. I've just sent an email notice asking for oversight, I think I'll go ahead and redact the names from the talk page while we wait to see what they do. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw the redaction. Appreciate your help on this.
PS. I just added a new section to the top of the Talk page that should help in case of future events like this, lmk what you think.--Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Spam in userspace

FYI, WP:CSD states that, in regards to general criteria, "These apply to all namespaces (and so apply to articles, user pages, talk pages, files, etc)." Thus a {{db-spam}} tag should not be removed simply because it's a user page or subpage. Spam in user space is still spam. 98.248.33.198 (talk) 21:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

True, but to delete a newly created user subpage at the drop of a hat seems awful bitey, and the way that was written, I'm not so sure I would have deleted it as spam even if it were in article space. Spam is spam wherever it may be, but the bar is somewhat relaxed for user subpages, as that is exactly what we ask users to do with articles that are not yet ready to go live. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Mainly making sure you're aware there's no exception for user space. (I've encountered other editors who didn't know and routinely removed speedy tags.) 98.248.33.198 (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Declined speedy?

Why did you decline this? ceranthor 23:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

See the thread directly above this one. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

About my username…

I am the person who reverts vandalism under that IP, so I made this account so I could still edit if the IP gets blocked while still being from that IP. I'd prefer if I kept my username, as the "temp" at the end of my username should show I'm not that IP, yet I would be if it weren't blocked at the time. I'll change it if I must, but as I said I'd like to keep it the way it is. -38.116.200.85temp (talk) 17:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• I just re-read the policy, and it says it's "not recommended" but it's apparently not actually against policy, so if you want to stay it can. You realize of course, you can have a user name and still be perfectly anonymous. (don't tell anyone, but I'm not really Zaphod Beeblebrox) Beeblebrox (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for the information. I know, but I wasn't really anonymous under the IP anyway. Might as well keep it that way. And sorry for putting it here instead of my talk, force of habit. -38.116.200.85temp (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Abuse log

Some people end up tripping certain abuse filters but do not actually succeed in making the edit. Either way, they have revealed themselves to be a promotional username. Triplestop x3 18:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I still don't get it. I get it about the username, but how does one "not succeed" at making an edit? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

They are shown the warning about the edit they are trying to make and they don't click save. Triplestop x3 18:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Allrighty. Having never tried to do any such thing myself, I didn't know there was such a notice. (I just tried so I could see it myself but Beeblebrox exists as a redirect already.) Beeblebrox (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply

That's OK i understand i was just trying to give the guy sometime to do what he could. I would suggest maybe giving him a copy of the article in a sub page for him to work on getting it written where it does not cause any copyright infringement.--Dcheagle (talk) 04:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Richard Klotzman Deletion

Hi Beeblebrox, I created the Richard Klotzman page the has been deleted for suspected plagiarism from richardklotzman.com. I built, wrote and maintain the site richardklotzman.com and have added the necessary licensing text to the site as per Wikipedia guidelines. I will now repost to Wikipedia with hopes that if I need to make changes that you (plural) might talk first. Thank you. Mortonholcomb (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)Morton HolcombMortonholcomb (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my talk page has been busy today and I just noticed your post. Blatant infringement of other websites is subject to speedy deletion without discussion. Permission needs to be established before it is added to Wikipedia in order to shield the Wikimedia Foundation from lawsuits. Now that you have added a free license to the site that is no longer a problem. I hope you carefully considered this and read the full text of the license before releasing it, as that content (all of it not just the text) is now public domain and can be used by anyone for any purpose, anywhere in the world, even in a modified form. There are still some issues with the promotional tone of the article and your own conflict of interest on the subject as well, but those can be discussed on the article's talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Matt Furey

Hi Beeblebrox, I got a deletion from you. No problem :) It was my first article! So I asked an admin and I'd like your help as well. I asked about getting "Matt Furey" article unlock or active. It was basic information taken from his website, such as his birth city and competitions etc. You can read his answer below and my followup questions. Any advice would be appreciated greatly in getting my first article up and running. I'd like to get other Fitness Celebrities up and going in the future, so this applies to those as well I'm sure. World Kettlebell (talk) 04:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

• Re. the message on my page: Thanks for asking. Since this is a site which offers free documentation for practically any use, the posting of copyrighted material simply does not jibe with this site's licensing. That said, it is more than OK and is in fact encouraged to use and to cite other websites in the creation of your original content. In short, use copyrighted material as a source of information but not of words. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so for example, if I want to say "Matt Furey was born in a small town in Iowa, named Carroll.", which is not easy to make original or different from the statement made on http://www.mattfurey.com/bio.html I can simply say the same, but site his website as the source? I mean to say, if I try to change something so simple to my own words it still gets tagged as copyright infraction. It's such basic information, such as place of birth, competitions won, places he lives... Also, how to unlock this name "Matt Furey" and also "Matt furey" so the basics of this guy can be presented in an article? Thanks for your help! And where should I post these questions, on your talk page or mine? World Kettlebell (talk) 04:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

As far as recreating the article, I would again suggest you create it as a user subpage by following the link in my message on your talk page, it can be moved to article space when it is ready. As far as the copyvio situation, this can be a problem sometimes with basic facts and statistics, but you have to find a way to say it in your own words. For example "Matt Furey is a fitness celebrity originally from Carroll, Iowa" would be a good opening sentence. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Protection templates

You should have know that when you add a protection template to another template, like you did with Template:World War II today, you should put the protection template inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags. Debresser (talk) 18:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry about that, that was my first time doing that. I previewed it, and all looked ok, but I'll be sure and do that in the future, thanks for the tip! Beeblebrox (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Just Step Sideways. You have new messages at December21st2012Freak's talk page.
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username blocks

I don't consider it wheel warring if another admin decides to block a username where I had just left a note. (wheel warring is reverting of an admin action, and that's not an admin action). In that case I did so because it didn't seem like the user was trying to be disruptive. Since that user hasn't edited since, I have just moved it to the holding pen (I doubt he will again, either). Daniel Case (talk) 12:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Like yourself, I didn't see any point in blocking them since they seemed to have stopped editing, that's really all I was trying to say. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:AbbeyLounge

Would you consider unblocking this user so they can change their name? Since the bar is no longer in operation, it does not look like he is trying to promote a business. If unblocked, he will presumably work more on the Abbey Lounge article, which seems harmless. (I'm not swearing it would be kept at AfD, but it looks notable enough due to the mentions in newspapers). He is proposing to change his name to JustSomeGuy, but that name is taken. EdJohnston (talk) 01:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

• Another admin has reviewed and denied the request. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your response. EdJohnston (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Brahma Kumaris sect

Thank you. --The Murli says, be accurate (talk) 16:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI This is another incarnation of User:Lucyintheskywithdada. He doesn't seem to accept his indefinite block. I have already filed a SPI report. Bksimonb (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, it didn't fool me, while you were leaving this message, I was indef blocking the account. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Flatulophilia

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Gombe (dish)

There is unfortunately no way I can keep you from endorsing false and unreferenced information. I can however inform you that the keyword here is spelt Gome, which is a dairy based dish typical to the districts of Ryfylke and Jæren in Rogaland county, Norway.

I was planning on running over Category:Norwegian cuisine with a damp cloth this afternoon, since much the articles appear both to be inaccurate and to lack references. I think I'll spend my time doing something more useful, though.

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--89.8.157.104 (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)