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Rachel Uchitel

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Marginal WP:BLP. Her most significant coverage came in a tabloid. There is very little information that cannot be covered elsewhere and we do not need this coatrack. Grsz¹¹ 04:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Very Week Keep. Her biggest claim to fame is being the target of vicious tabloid gossip, which appears to be totally unfounded, and she appears to be doing everything she can to avoid being slandered. This makes her notable, but it also speaks to BLP concerns which would easily warrant deletion. // Internet Esquire (talk) 04:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Tiger Woods: She really hasn't done anything notable yet, merge for now.--[[User: Duffy2032|Duffy2032]] (talk) 04:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - I started this article, and I started it with multiple, non-trivial, reliable sources that don't discuss the Woods incident. I was actually surprised with all the articles, over about eight years, that mentioned her. She obviously meets the WP:GNG. She probably passed WP:NEWS before the Woods thing happened. At this point, if you want this deleted, you'll have to go beyond policy. The prolonged period of coverage has already happened (almost 10 years), the reliable sources part is done (New York Times before this Woods incident even happened), and the significant coverage is covered (10s of articles just on her are already written). After all our rules were satisfied years ago, now 10s of articles a day start coming out. Done. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Merge with Tiger Woods: I don't really see how a "attention-seeker" tiger "might" have had an affair with is worth of having an article on WP. Back in 2001 she was looking for her fiance Andy O'Grady who perished during the 9/11 incident and thats the most we find about her. I don't see any other relevance..--Warpath (talk) 11:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Not really possible to merge with the main article Tiger Woods, but still notable enough. If Uchitel is only notable for this particular event, however, a decent compromise might be to create a separate article about the car accident, such as the 2009 Tiger Woods car accident and merge this article into the new article... --Hapsala (talk) 12:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep When I go to Wikipedia I also like to read about "gossip" that may have a bit of truth in it - specially when it is all over the News and in Google's hottest trends (Remember: Democracy is voting by our feet and going to the ballot. If so many people want to know about a person serve it to your readers and mark it as 'not confirmed' or so). Specially then when all the other gossip magazines are full of stories. That is the moment I turn to Wikipedia and see which stories have been quoted by Wikipedia, because I know that the people who edit Wikipedia come from many different backgrounds and mostly do not work for a tabloid or a businesswire. They do not work for a profit of wikipedia. As a normal user it is very interesting to see the different links that have been reported in Wikipedia about a runup of a gossip theme or another kind of news story. Also: I know that Wikipedia does not have annoying pop-ups or flash or any other of that stuff. I like Wikipedia because it is not run by a professor and his assistants. This should not be merged into Tiger Woods simply because Rachel Uchitel is not Tiger Woods.--zdavatz 13:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• WP:NOT#NEWS Secret ^account 13:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Strongest possible delete Coatrack that fails WP:BLP, all the sources are related to tabloid sources, or source the tabloids. Tabloids aren't reliable coverage. Doesn't even deserve a merge to the Tiger Woods article because of the concern with sources. Secret ^account 13:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Can anyone provide a detailed explanation with quotes from NOT and BLP that lead to a delete decision? I might change my vote. They didn't have anything the last time I looked, but our policies may have changed since then. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 16:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • WP:BLP1E, the only reason why the article on Uchitel was created was because of her "supposed" relationship with Woods. That's a one event right there. Wikipedia isn't the place for tabloid gossip. Also verifiability plays a major factor. The only sources of the relationship are related to the tabloids. Many times the tabloids twist the facts around to create a story for money. Who wouldn't want to read a story that Tiger Woods is cheating. Because of the nature of the tabloids, they shouldn't be considered as a reliable source for verifiability. As for the picture of Uchitel holding her late fiance picture, it's sad but there are many victims of these attacks with much more news coverage, but no article for a valid reason. Secret ^account 17:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
    • The reason she has an article is because I started it. I admit that I looked for her wiki page because of the TW incident. But, I created the page because there was so much stuff in the google news archive. You'd need a BLP2.5 to delete. She's received really big national coverage twice, plus some other smaller stuff. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree with Secret. This person has done nothing that is reliably notable. Timneu22 (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. I was skeptical at first but find there are sufficient sources out there and independent events according notability. There are more sources that can be added, I'll try to do that. Interestingly, I see that the 9/11 pictures of her were published worldwide and I see later references to those picture(s) in german papers, among others. I also take into consideration the good thoughts of zdavatz, who is closer to representing the masses of people who are reading the article and will never comment.--Milowent (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, speedily if possible. This is a WP:COATRACK article and an obvious violation of WP:BLP1E. We wouldn't have an article on her if not for the Tiger Woods car accident story, and so we shouldn't have one at all. Robofish (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. She's clearly in the process of becoming famous for being famous, and the coverage is just going to keep growing. Merging to Tiger Woods is a particularly bad choice, because it appears to endorse the claim that the rumored affair is fact. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Weak keep - the worse of the worse for being famous for being famous for the past eight years, but meets WP:BARE. Bearian (talk) 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - agree with Milowent's comments. If she wasn't a household name before, she is now. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Keep at least for now. Who knows, the story might blow up into something more substantive. If so, the article has the option of being merged.