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Picasso's use of text (JOU)

Currently, the article says Picasso, through this (Synthetic Cubism) movement, was the first to use text in his artwork (to flatten the space) - how valid is this? I'm having a hard time believing nobody before Picasso used text in artwork and I can't find mention of this anywhere else, not even my university art book, and I would think something like this would be a really major fact. 24.214.205.150 (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modernism template

I've added a template feel free to add new articles to it. Stirling Newberry 00:33, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of help. I put a stub tag on it. Also, the movements of modern art are not linear, so I don't see the benefit in having "preceded by" and "followed by" in the template. [[User:Dystopos|05:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why was this changed?

Doing a research project on cubism (synthetic cubism specifically). Just wondering why the article was shortened to the little snippet it is now. Or am I missing something? Version with the full article is 13:12, 31 Mar 2005 though there may be a better version before that... I think it should be switched back, but I don't know. I'm not an expert on the subject, it just seems like the article was much more complete.--Quibbles 01:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The changer didn't say why they changed it. I've put it back in and copyedited it. There's still a lot more that could be written about cubism. If your research turns up some material to add, please do so. --sparkit (talk) 04:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the change and the edit. This is much closer to what I had in mind for this article. Hopefully I'll have time to add what I find in my research. thanks again.--Quibbles 06:11, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful addition to the article, Quibbles! Thanks! --sparkit (talk) 14:09, May 19, 2005 (UTC)tit

yup so thats y cubism is important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link re: Marevna's cubist paintings

There do not seem to be many representations of Marevna's paintings available on the internet; so I suppose one does not want to lose the links that one does find. Two links I left in working order when I originally supplied them, have since ceased to connect; but in both cases I have been able to trace them under a new address, which I have put in the article, tested and again left in woriking order. Hey everyone!

a) In case of Marevna's painting "Landscape with a Thistle", 1969, canvas, oil, 96x130, if the problems recurs, try: www.sovcom.ru/ and, having chosen the English language option in the top left hand corner, go to Help and search there for "Creator": Marevna.

b) Same in the the case of the second link, namely Marevna's portrait of Chaim Soutine, c. 1916/17, at the Erich Lessing Collection website. If it again causes problems, try: www.lessing-photo.com/ and see whether by searching for "Marevna, Maria" it is still possible to trace this image.

c) The link to the Korean site works, though it is a bit slow. A window comes up offering the installation of the Korean language; but it is possible to proceed and view the images without installing the language. The images are not numbered, so one has to count to 16 whilst scrolling down the page.

Portress updated at 02:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just so you all know, the 3rd St. Villager, a free Los Angeles paper, printed this article in their Issue #25 August 2005. JesseW 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{cited}} Diego Rivera was a very famous cubist painter.--71.28.246.73 06:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Impact of Cubism

The starting sentence states that "usually regarded as the most important and influential art movement since the Italian Renaissance." This is highly debatable, especially when taking into account how much cubism was influenced by impressionism (Cubism is just a further break from the realism that had predominated). Who regards it as the most influential movement? That should definitely be stated along with references. Cubism was made famous by artists like Ferdinand Leger and Pablo Picasso for deipcting an abstract and contorted view of reality similiar to other "realist" painters during the time the descriptions are modified, dark or illustrious variations of the modern world.Epachamo 00:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cezanne?

Paul Cezanne's article references his influences on cubists rather extenstively - should he be mentioned here?

I have contributed to the Cézanne article, particularly in reference to his influence on Cubism and 20th C art, and I'd be very happy to have a link to Cezanne in this article. In fact I'll put one in myself! Duncan Smith 16:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Link re: Marevna's cubist paintings

There do not seem to be many representations of Marevna's paintings available on the internet; so I suppose one does not want to lose the links that one does find. Two links I left in working order when I originally supplied them, have since ceased to connect; but in both cases I have been able to trace them under a new address, which I have put in the article, tested and again left in woriking order. Hey everyone!

a) In case of Marevna's painting "Landscape with a Thistle", 1969, canvas, oil, 96x130, if the problems recurs, try: www.sovcom.ru/ and, having chosen the English language option in the top left hand corner, go to Help and search there for "Creator": Marevna.

b) Same in the the case of the second link, namely Marevna's portrait of Chaim Soutine, c. 1916/17, at the Erich Lessing Collection website. If it again causes problems, try: www.lessing-photo.com/ and see whether by searching for "Marevna, Maria" it is still possible to trace this image.

c) The link to the Korean site works, though it is a bit slow. A window comes up offering the installation of the Korean language; but it is possible to proceed and view the images without installing the language. The images are not numbered, so one has to count to 16 whilst scrolling down the page.

Portress updated at 02:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just so you all know, the 3rd St. Villager, a free Los Angeles paper, printed this article in their Issue #25 August 2005. JesseW 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{cited}} Diego Rivera was a very famous cubist painter.--71.28.246.73 06:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cubistic architecture

In Prague there are a few examples of cubistic architecture (the most famous is the house at the black mother of god, where now the museum of czech cubism is locate), shouldn't this unusual aspect of cubism being mentioned? Plch 00:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC) ops, I've just noted the picture, but I don't see anything in the text... Plch[reply]

Feel free to add it. :) Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 01:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am an art historian, living in Prague (in Nusle), where I see this so-called 'cubist architecture' every day. On the one hand, I love these buildings. But on the other, I find it incredible how people accept this designation of 'cubist' so completely uncritically. I have never heard or read a coherent argument as to what, exactly, makes this architectural style cubist. In fact, it is no more cubist than any other randomly chosen architectural style. I know how dear it is for Czechs to have this claim to fame (despite earlier attempts in 'cubist architecture' in France). But while it is undoubtely aesthetically pleasing, cubist it is not! For quality reasons, and for pedagogical accuracy, I suggest the photos of the cubist buildings be removed. They can certainly remain in the article on Czech cubism - though this entry is in need of expansion and critical attention.

As an architect I would say that the czech cubist architecture is more of a decorative kind than true cubism. Similar to classisism, gothic, Art Noveau etc. Decorative patterns applied to a standard building to folow the current vogue. True cubist buildings, in the philosophy of analytical or synthetic cubism, is rather something in the line of deconstructivism or post-modernism. One of my teachers at architecture school, a true post-modernist, is very fond of cubism. 213.145.169.62 13:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe

It was a complete and clearly defined aesthetic.

Why I don't feel convinced? Am I just prejudiced (against cubism) or merely ignorant (in face of a genius)?
—6birc, 19:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. (Ignoring the question whether you can agree to a question or not.) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

As the two articles proposed, Analytic cubism and Synthetic cubism are both stubs, with little activity, I feel that their purpose may be better served in this article by merging the three under this title. This is only a tentative proposal, but my thinking behind it is that the viewing of all the related information will be easier with the topics together. M a rtinp23 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC) I agree that the three should be merged as soon as possible. As it stands some of the information is conflicting. Daisy2 14:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 3 Main Types Of Cubism

There were many types of cubism. The three main ones were these. There is ANALYTICAL CUBISM (1909-1912), SYNTHETIC CUBISM (1912-1919) and ORPHISM CUBISM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.109.143.194 (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

As it stands now, there are two articles that link to each other, about two kinds. One of them (on Analytic) starts out saying there are two major branches, the other (Synthetic) starts out saying there are three major branches. Could you recommend a clear, complete, and consistent introductory statement for both? --Sukkoth 10:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Talk:Cubism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Contents [hide] 1 Category 2 Modernism template 3 Why was this changed? 4 Link re: Marevna's cubist paintings 5 Impact of Cubism 6 Cezanne? 7 Cubistic architecture 8 I can't believe 9 Merge proposal 10 A merge seems a very good idea 11 The 3 Main Types Of Cubism

[edit] Category Add "Category:Visual art movements" to article when unprotected. Hyacinth 05:29, 15 Sep 2004tit (UTC)

move it back, i think

[edit] Modernism template I've added a template feel free to add new articles to it. Stirling Newberry 00:33, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of help. I put a stub tag on it. Also, the movements of modern art are not linear, so I don't see the benefit in having "preceded by" and "followed by" in the template. [[User:Dystopos|05:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this changed? Doing a research project on cubism (synthetic cubism specifically). Just wondering why the article was shortened to the little snippet it is now. Or am I missing something? Version with the full article is 13:12, 31 Mar 2005 though there may be a better version before that... I think it should be switched back, but I don't know. I'm not an expert on the subject, it just seems like the article was much more complete.--Quibbles 01:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

The changer didn't say why they changed it. I've put it back in and copyedited it. There's still a lot more that could be written about cubism. If your research turns up some material to add, please do so. --sparkit (talk) 04:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the change and the edit. This is much closer to what I had in mind for this article. Hopefully I'll have time to add what I find in my research. thanks again.--Quibbles 06:11, 19 May 2005 (UTC) Wonderful addition to the article, Quibbles! Thanks! --sparkit (talk) 14:09, May 19, 2005 (UTC)tit

[edit] Link re: Marevna's cubist paintings There do not seem to be many representations of Marevna's paintings available on the internet; so I suppose one does not want to lose the links that one does find. Two links I left in working order when I originally supplied them, have since ceased to connect; but in both cases I have been able to trace them under a new address, which I have put in the article, tested and again left in woriking order. Hey everyone!

a) In case of Marevna's painting "Landscape with a Thistle", 1969, canvas, oil, 96x130, if the problems recurs, try: www.sovcom.ru/ and, having chosen the English language option in the top left hand corner, go to Help and search there for "Creator": Marevna.

b) Same in the the case of the second link, namely Marevna's portrait of Chaim Soutine, c. 1916/17, at the Erich Lessing Collection website. If it again causes problems, try: www.lessing-photo.com/ and see whether by searching for "Marevna, Maria" it is still possible to trace this image.

c) The link to the Korean site works, though it is a bit slow. A window comes up offering the installation of the Korean language; but it is possible to proceed and view the images without installing the language. The images are not numbered, so one has to count to 16 whilst scrolling down the page.

Portress updated at 02:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just so you all know, the 3rd St. Villager, a free Los Angeles paper, printed this article in their Issue #25 August 2005. JesseW 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Cited Diego Rivera was a very famous cubist painter.--71.28.246.73 06:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Impact of Cubism The starting sentence states that "usually regarded as the most important and influential art movement since the Italian Renaissance." This is highly debatable, especially when taking into account how much cubism was influenced by impressionism (Cubism is just a further break from the realism that had predominated). Who regards it as the most influential movement? That should definitely be stated along with references. Epachamo 00:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cezanne? Paul Cezanne's article references his influences on cubists rather extenstively - should he be mentioned here?

I have contributed to the Cézanne article, particularly in reference to his influence on Cubism and 20th C art, and I'd be very happy to have a link to Cezanne in this article. In fact I'll put one in myself! Duncan Smith 16:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cubistic architecture In Prague there are a few examples of cubistic architecture (the most famous is the house at the black mother of god, where now the museum of czech cubism is locate), shouldn't this unusual aspect of cubism being mentioned? Plch 00:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC) ops, I've just noted the picture, but I don't see anything in the text... Plch

Feel free to add it. :) Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 01:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC) I am an art historian, living in Prague (in Nusle), where I see this so-called 'cubist architecture' every day. On the one hand, I love these buildings. But on the other, I find it incredible how people accept this designation of 'cubist' so completely uncritically. I have never heard or read a coherent argument as to what, exactly, makes this architectural style cubist. In fact, it is no more cubist than any other randomly chosen architectural style. I know how dear it is for Czechs to have this claim to fame (despite earlier attempts in 'cubist architecture' in France). But while it is undoubtely aesthetically pleasing, cubist it is not! For quality reasons, and for pedagogical accuracy, I suggest the photos of the cubist buildings be removed. They can certainly remain in the article on Czech cubism - though this entry is in need of expansion and critical attention.

[edit] I can't believe It was a complete and clearly defined aesthetic. Why I don't feel convinced? Am I just prejudiced (against cubism) or merely ignorant (in face of a genius)? —6birc, 19:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. (Ignoring the question whether you can agree to a question or not.) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal As the two articles proposed, Analytic cubism and Synthetic cubism are both stubs, with little activity, I feel that their purpose may be better served in this article by merging the three under this title. This is only a tentative proposal, but my thinking behind it is that the viewing of all the related information will be easier with the topics together. Martinp23 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A merge seems a very good idea I agree with the previous writer and I support the merging of the Analytical and the Sythetic Cubism articles in to a single Cubism article.

Merging Synthetic and Analytic Cubism into sections of one main article on "Cubism" is a fine idea. It helps in providing a complete picture of the artistic movement on a single page. As 'Analytic' and 'Synthetic' are opposing styles, it would do justice to both if they are placed and presented on the same page with Cubism. D.D.

Can not an article be a Contents-link of another article? This would be a way to go through several levels of knowledge in a hierarchical mode. Both branches of cubism would be contents of Cubism, Cubism would be a contents-link of Modern Art and Impressionism, and both of these could be content-links in several other Art articles. This way you have the best of the two worlds, of keeping a significant body of knowledge at the level of article, and still keep integrated and complete articles of subjects encompassing other sub-subjects. GO

here,here!

well i am not sure. I think the main cubist page at the moment seems to be more architecturally based. maybe it wouln't benefit then if synthetic and analytical cubism were added as it is an art movement. either that or the cubist page has a huge edit.172.207.198.199 00:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 3 Main Types Of Cubism There were many types of cubism. The three main ones were these. There is ANALYTICAL CUBISM (1909-1912), SYNTHETIC CUBISM (1912-1919) and ORPHISM CUBISM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.109.143.194 (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

As it stands now, there are two articles that link to each other, about two kinds. One of them (on Analytic) starts out saying there are two major branches, the other (Synthetic) starts out saying there are three major branches. Could you recommend a clear, complete, and consistent introductory statement for both? --Sukkoth 10:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cubism"

[edit] Under the heading "Analytic Cubism" there is a line of random characters where there should be words finishing a sentence, a period, and more words beginning a new sentence. << ...Analytic cubists "analyzed" kjhshdjkhsajhdjkhajkColor]] was almost non-existent...>> Micharjuna (talk) 13:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Picasso's use of text (JOU)

Currently, the article says Picasso, through this (Synthetic Cubism) movement, was the first to use text in his artwork (to flatten the space) - how valid is this? I'm having a hard time believing nobody before Picasso used text in artwork and I can't find mention of this anywhere else, not even my university art book, and I would think something like this would be a really major fact. 24.214.205.150 (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modernism template

I've added a template feel free to add new articles to it. Stirling Newberry 00:33, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of help. I put a stub tag on it. Also, the movements of modern art are not linear, so I don't see the benefit in having "preceded by" and "followed by" in the template. [[User:Dystopos|05:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why was this changed?

Doing a research project on cubism (synthetic cubism specifically). Just wondering why the article was shortened to the little snippet it is now. Or am I missing something? Version with the full article is 13:12, 31 Mar 2005 though there may be a better version before that... I think it should be switched back, but I don't know. I'm not an expert on the subject, it just seems like the article was much more complete.--Quibbles 01:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The changer didn't say why they changed it. I've put it back in and copyedited it. There's still a lot more that could be written about cubism. If your research turns up some material to add, please do so. --sparkit (talk) 04:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the change and the edit. This is much closer to what I had in mind for this article. Hopefully I'll have time to add what I find in my research. thanks again.--Quibbles 06:11, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful addition to the article, Quibbles! Thanks! --sparkit (talk) 14:09, May 19, 2005 (UTC)tit

yup so thats y cubism is important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link re: Marevna's cubist paintings

There do not seem to be many representations of Marevna's paintings available on the internet; so I suppose one does not want to lose the links that one does find. Two links I left in working order when I originally supplied them, have since ceased to connect; but in both cases I have been able to trace them under a new address, which I have put in the article, tested and again left in woriking order. Hey everyone!

a) In case of Marevna's painting "Landscape with a Thistle", 1969, canvas, oil, 96x130, if the problems recurs, try: www.sovcom.ru/ and, having chosen the English language option in the top left hand corner, go to Help and search there for "Creator": Marevna.

b) Same in the the case of the second link, namely Marevna's portrait of Chaim Soutine, c. 1916/17, at the Erich Lessing Collection website. If it again causes problems, try: www.lessing-photo.com/ and see whether by searching for "Marevna, Maria" it is still possible to trace this image.

c) The link to the Korean site works, though it is a bit slow. A window comes up offering the installation of the Korean language; but it is possible to proceed and view the images without installing the language. The images are not numbered, so one has to count to 16 whilst scrolling down the page.

Portress updated at 02:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just so you all know, the 3rd St. Villager, a free Los Angeles paper, printed this article in their Issue #25 August 2005. JesseW 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{cited}} Diego Rivera was a very famous cubist painter.--71.28.246.73 06:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Impact of Cubism

The starting sentence states that "usually regarded as the most important and influential art movement since the Italian Renaissance." This is highly debatable, especially when taking into account how much cubism was influenced by impressionism (Cubism is just a further break from the realism that had predominated). Who regards it as the most influential movement? That should definitely be stated along with references. Cubism was made famous by artists like Ferdinand Leger and Pablo Picasso for deipcting an abstract and contorted view of reality similiar to other "realist" painters during the time the descriptions are modified, dark or illustrious variations of the modern world.Epachamo 00:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cezanne?

Paul Cezanne's article references his influences on cubists rather extenstively - should he be mentioned here?

I have contributed to the Cézanne article, particularly in reference to his influence on Cubism and 20th C art, and I'd be very happy to have a link to Cezanne in this article. In fact I'll put one in myself! Duncan Smith 16:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) Editing Talk:Cubism (section) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia • Have questions? Find out how to ask questions and get answers. •Jump to: navigation, search This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (99.149.187.59 (talk) 20:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)). You are not currently logged in. Editing this way will cause your IP address to be recorded publicly in this page's edit history. If you create an account, you can conceal your IP address and be provided with many other benefits. Messages sent to your IP can be viewed on your talk page.[reply]

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