Talk:Co-Redemptrix

Quotes in Scripture

There are interesting quotes from Scripture that are used to argue in favour of this doctrine. These should probably be added. ADM (talk) 22:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that addition, but it is not clear how some of those relate to Co-Redemption, even from the ref site. Needs much more clarification please. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 01:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Opponents

I requested a citation for Catholics who argue against this doctrine, as it would be interesting, and I think important, to know what kind of support this has in the Catholic Church. We know six million signed a petition for it; who's arguing against it? Of those, how many outright don't believe it, and how many are keeping it out of dogma on pragmatic grounds to appease Protestants and Orthodox Christians? --NZUlysses (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Why was my statement about the blood of Mary not being redemptive because at no point in her divnine maturnity did she shed her blood as a normal mother would edited out? The statement is wholy within Catholic tradition. I am a doctoral candidate in historical theology at a Jesuit university and already have a degree in systamtic theology from a Jesuis pontifical seminary. The only points of view cited in this Wikidepia against this 'doctrine' are not theological, but practical, namely that it be politically correct in ecuementical relations with Protestants. Neither Catholic nor Orthodox theological opposition to this 'dogma' are cited. I cannot even find an actual theological explanation of this 'doctrine' What is it supposed to mean? It seems to be an additional title without actual theological content that some Catholics want to have formally applied to the Mother of God. I must protest that whoever is the final editer of this site has an undue persoanl bias for the formal propagation of a new Marian title and one without any clear theological content to justificy such an preopagation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.60.247 (talk) 13:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

As well, it'd be helpful to distinguish the adherents into those who do so by adherance of the Amsterdam visions and those who don't, but follow a theology that may have developed within the first four decades of the 20th century.--84.154.86.97 (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Enoch and the BVM

I have found this interesting claim that Saint-Germain/Enoch/Metatron was also Saint Joseph, the husband of Mary. If this was the case, Enoch could almost be considered to be a Co-Redemptor too. [1] ADM (talk) 03:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, although interesting, it is clearly original research and WP:OR disallows its use, even if it is 100% true. The missionsaintgermain site is not a reliable 3rd party type site either. But in any case, this is clearly a WP:OR situation. By the way, you posted this in 3 places. Usually it is best to post just in 1 place. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 03:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Non sequitur

> Any dogma would likely attempt to clarify Catholic teaching, that Mary's role is subordinate to and always dependent upon the essential and chief role of her Son.

Not exactly. Nowadays the strongest reasoning for Mary as Co-Redemptor is that original sin was taken on by man and woman (Adam and Eve) and thus cannot be removed but by man and woman acting together (Jesus and Mary).

Therefore Mary's role in redempting mankind is not inferior, just like the role of Eve in eating the apple of knowledge in the Garden of Eden was not inferior. 82.131.210.163 (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, we're redeemed by the Word Incarnate and his Passion and Resurrection, aren't we? Mary herself was redeemed by her Son with the specific grace of receiving the effect of redemption previously (at her very conception), wasn't she? How can you seriously say anyone including even the Blessed Virgin could anyhow be anything but inferior to the Word Incarnate in any respect to anything?? Further, you shouldn't be as quick to say "cannot". God can everything. Btw I wouldn't be too sure to contribute to Adam and Eve equal parts in committing original sin. Paul attributes it to Adam without even mentioning Eve.--84.154.86.97 (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)