Talk:Lech Kaczyński

Death

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8612825.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.233.16 (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The BBC is reporting 87 people dead. No word on the President.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Basically we have now in the article an unsourced announcement of Death. This IS BAD. Hektor (talk) 07:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Really, I heard 97 people died on msn, and somewhere else I heard 130 people??, and also why is there information about his death in the introduction?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadygorgy (talk • contribs) 03:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The current figure is that 97 people died in the crash. Initial reports of the number of people on the plane were confused, with 87 and 132 being quoted in media reports.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The article reports the plane crash. Per WP:BLP, no announcement of his death will be made unless it is reliably confirmed.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

AFP is saying no survivors, so it looks like the President may have died. However, still a need for confirmation.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

NO media is currently reporting the death of the president .... just that at least 80 people have been killed on the plane on which he was flying. It is premature and wrong to announce his death (adding his date of death etc) on wikipedia before it is officially announced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.195.120 (talk) 08:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Smolensk governor says there were no survivors. However, confirmation will be needed before adding the death.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Death of Kaczyński and his wife has been confirmed, in addition to 130 others. — ξ^xplicit 08:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It is reasonably certain that he has died, although the Yahoo cite repeats the information about no survivors. No official announcement from the Polish government has occurred yet.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his wife died Saturday along with 130 others when their plane crashed while coming in for a landing in western Russia, officials said. Surely that's confirmation enough? — ξ^xplicit 09:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

What Yahoo! has done is to take the Smolensk governor's report and turn it into an official announcement of the death. It is not quite the same thing, but it looks like only a matter of time before the Polish government makes a formal announcement.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) Not to be too by-the-book, but what Yahoo! has done is report that the President has died. Yahoo! is a more than reliable source and if they've misreported this story, that's theirs to deal with. I don't like how we (Wikipedians) jump at the opportunity to edit things like this, but it has been confirmed by a reliable source now. -- Chickenmonkey ^X  sign?  09:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Polish press are reporting a foreign ministry spokesman saying "Prezydent z małżonką zginęli." That is, "The President and his wife died." Physchim62 (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Yahoo! has the same news wire information as everyone else. The current BBC News website wording is "Officials say a plane carrying Polish President Lech Kaczynski has crashed in Russia, reportedly killing everyone on board." Anyway, we're dancing on the head of a pin over this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Headline in Gazeta Wyborcza: "Nobody survived." Headline in Rzeczpospolita: "President Lech Kaczynski is dead." Physchim62 (talk) 09:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Air traffic controllers issued several warnings not to attempt a landing because of the danger posed by visibility close to zero, but to divert to Moscow or Minsk. However, Kaczynski ordered the piolt to land regardless.--Harryjones422 (talk) 13:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Last Sentence

Currently reads "96 people were killed in the crash, including, along with Kaczynski, others among the country's highest military and civilian leaders." Suggest "96 people were killed in the crash, including many of Poland's highest military and civilian leaders." Removes unnecessary mention of Kaczynski, and clarifies the country. Any objections? --Haruth (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Gabiteodoru, 10 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Correct BBC news link from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8612825.stm} to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8612825.stm

Gabiteodoru (talk) 07:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

This was fixed about 10 minutes ago.  Chzz  ►  07:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done

Edit request from 82.13.161.114, 10 April 2010

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The above sources the fact that the plane he was on has crashed. That should certainly be added. 82.13.161.114 (talk) 07:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Semi-protection also expires tomorrow. --JokerXtreme (talk) 08:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

this page should go into lockdown mode asap --67.70.2.172 (talk) 08:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Apparent successor?

who would succeed him as acting president of poland / head of state if it turns out he indeed became incapacitated in the plane crash? 92.116.104.6 (talk) 08:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sura about that, but in Poland the president doesn't have real power, it's mostly a ceremonial title, nothing like the situation in the US, something like in Germany. So the country is run by the same people it was - the prime minister & the goverment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.253.97.191 (talk) 08:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Marshal of the Sejm shall, until the time of election of a new President of the Republic, temporarily discharge the duties of the President of the Republic in the following instances:

- the death of the President of the Republic

(From the Polish Constitution)

--Marjaliisa (talk) 08:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Marshal of the Sejm holds the duties of President (until new President is elected), Sir Lothar (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

You should not comment when you are "not quite sure". President of Poland holds real, although limited power, including rights to veto parliamentary bill, control the military and, under certain circumstances, dissolving the parliament. Nothing close to "ceremonial title". 89.161.19.226 (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The marshall of the Sejm gets Presidential Powers for sixty days.71.234.36.194 (talk) 18:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

In office

SHOULD IT READ "IN OFFICE" AFTER THE CATASTROFY? SORRY BOUT THIS BUT I AM NOT USED TO WIKIPEDIA AND WANTED TO MAKE NOTICE OF THIS ASAP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.227.160.133 (talk) 22:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It says In office, then gives the time spans during which he was in each political post he held during his life. That is standard for politician infoboxes. It doesn't say he is currently in office. Jim Michael (talk) 03:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)