User talk:PrincessofLlyr

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Removal of {{prod}} templates on The Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer

Unlike speedy deletion templates, proposed deletion templates can be removed by any editor. The thinking is that 'no one' would object to a proposed deletion, by removing the template they are demonstrating that 'someone' does object. It's good form to state the reason for the prod removal in the edit summary, but this does not always happen.   pablo_hablo. 14:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I did not know that. Thank you! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Neither did I, once, until someone told me! The page is now deleted under speedy category G4, as a recreation of a previously deleted page.   pablo_hablo. 20:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It might just be worth pointing out that the proposed BLP-prod template for newly created unreferenced BLPs may well be "sticky" in some sense: most likely, no one will be allowed to remove the tag unless sources are added to the article. The whole thing is still in development: Wikipedia talk:Sticky Prod workshop‎‎. Be warned, though, that it is not easy to follow the discussion on that page! Basically, it followed on from the massive RfC on unreferenced BLPs, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people (that is phase 2, BTW!) --Jubilee♫clipman 23:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Are you trying to confuse me?!? I've mostly ignored the whole BLP hassle - too long. Anyway, the only reason I got this wrong was because I assumed it was the same as CSD. Oh well. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... tl;dr... However, the new BLP-PROD is all but up and running, now, so make sure every article you create on a living person is well sourced from now on or it might vanish! --Jubilee♫clipman 23:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll remember that, but I'm already a perfectionist, so I doubt that'll be a problem! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 23:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Hope that fits over the tiara? --Jubilee♫clipman 01:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think I could manage that! I'm trying to break myself of perfectionism (particularly since it inhibits WP:BOLD). I actually discussed this with Airplaneman somewhere in that mess up there - I'm more perfectionist/timid here than I am IRL. Which is probably unusual. Oh, and congrats! You're almost to 10,000 edits! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

10,000 edits does not necessarily equate to 10,000 good edits...! I saw the discussion about your persona here vs you in RL. You are not unique: my guess is that the exact opposite applies to me! In fact, no one is the same online as in RL, IMO. Anyhoo... 3.30am here! Need sleep... must go to bed... --Jubilee♫clipman 02:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yikes! You do need to go to bed. About edits, knowing you (well, sort of!), they're were probably mostly good! I know it's not strange to be different online, I just guessed that being more timid was unique. Maybe not! Anyway, after tonight I'm going to try to stay off mostly. I might drop by to check my watchlist, but maybe not for a few days. It would probably be better if I just got myself used to the whole wikibreak idea. We'll see. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Just testing... did you get this? Now sleep... --Jubilee♫clipman 02:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm going to bed now too. I'm not going to log in tomorrow, not going to log in... - PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Aw man, you logged in :D Airplaneman ✈ 01:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I have an excuse! It was 1 April and I wanted to see the main page. Then, when I was reading through the FA talk page, my dad saw the post about peanuts over my shoulder and suggested I comment. So there's the excuse. I don't have an excuse for why I'm logged in today. Still, the general idea is working - my time here has dropped and I'm actually getting something done IRL. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 17:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Belated "April Fool!" (Though it doesn't count now...) --Jubilee♫clipman 03:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't resist logging in on April 1st either... way too funny! Well, at least my edit count has dropped too, so I'm technically on break. Back in about 3 days! Brambleclawx 14:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

The 39 Clues Task Force

--mono 02:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, but I haven't read any of the books! It just so happens that I have read other books by several of the same authors. I will, however, be glad to copyedit and vandalism patrol for you when I'm back from my (semi) wikibreak. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good! (They need a ton of work)--mono 15:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey and Haddix (and probably a lot more besides: WTS)

Hey, see that you are taking a wiki-break, but I remembered that you helped me copyedit a couple times in the past. Could you take a look at Quicksilver (novel) if you get a chance? Going through FA review, and one of the reviewers suggested a new set of eyes.Sadads (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I am on wikibreak, but I'll try to sit down and read through in the next day or two. I'll warn you though, I'm not an "expert eye" that Maria mentioned needing. Still, I'll be glad to help! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Great!!! I mostly want proof that more eyes are looking at it and fixing problems during the review, that way other reviewers are not turned off as well by the same issue. Thank you so much for your help. Sadads (talk) 18:29, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I did some tonight - will continue to work as I have time. Still, from looking at the FA review, I'm not sure it's going to pass this time. And I'm definitely not an FA experienced copy-editor! It does look like User:SMcCandlish did lots of very good work, which may help you. Best of luck with this! It is a very good article and you've obviously done lots of work on it. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I know it might not pass (right now that doesn't look so good), but I want to push past as many of the objections as I can in the next couple of days. Besides only 2 reviewers have looked at it thus far.Sadads (talk) 01:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Very true. The experience is also probably good. I've never actually done a lot with FA's, so I'll probably read over the criteria before doing more work. And I work better doing small copyedits and then coming back, so I'll just pop in from time to time. I'll also watch the FA review page and may address any more concerns raised there. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I hate to sound rude or something... but "FA's" is not possessive (it's plural) and therefore doesn't need an apostrophe ;). Couldn't think of another way to say it :/. I'll try to look at it as well, although I am not an expert eye, either. Airplaneman ✈ 01:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)You learn something new every day :). Hope this didn't come across the wrong way, Airplaneman ✈ 03:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you can use 's after letters and numbers (at least in BrE), especially if there is likely to be confusion: "dot your ts and cross your is"... :P Anyway, on a completely unrelated note (as usual (but related to the post immediately above)), I have sourced and expanded Margaret Peterson Haddix, one of the articles I was asked to watch. Any good? A lot more to be said on her, without a doubt. Cheers --Jubilee♫clipman 02:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

(The apostrophe-s can be added after initialisms, also, BTW --Jubilee♫clipman 02:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

There are my trusty TPS'ers! I do use apostrophes when making letters plural (instead of FAs), which I believe is acceptable. @Jubileeclipman - I saw that, but was trying to stay away - obviously it's not working! When I actually read through the article, it does need work. I've never really content edited it a lot, just reverted vandalism and worked on articles about her books. Thanks for the improvements! I'll put it on my list of things to do when I have time. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Haddix's article is looking better! I'll drop by and do a bit of work sometime soon. Airplaneman ✈ 03:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Is that Haddix's article or Haddix' article? :P Anyway, no problem. If I get time (...WT:MOS, specifically the music MOSes (or MOS's, perhaps)...) I will also try to expand the Haddix (or "Naddix" as I called her at one point) article. She certainly deserves more than a tiny article that just rises above stub status, IMO, if the shear number of RS's is anything to go by --Jubilee♫clipman 07:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Airplaneman, no offense taken! I understood what you were saying. It looks like the GA competition is going to be over before I get a chance to do anything...oh well. Next time. And now I feel bad that I haven't worked more on the Haddix article! I'm so glad it's getting improved. I'm also failing miserably at my wikibreak! Curiosity, what is "wts"? (do I want to know?) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 21:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

"Watch this space" i.e. for more to come... BTW (!), I am the opposite: I am presently supposed to be auditing all of the Music Manuals of Style but the task is somewhat complex and frustating so I keep getting drawn to the lighter side of WP for hours on end rather than actually auditing the pages (WP:MOSMUSIC and WP:MUSTARD)... --Jubilee♫clipman 22:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation...I've picked up a lot of the abbreviations, but I'm not into Internet chatting or texting, so there are a lot that still throw me. Looks like you've been busy! I have found that some amusement makes me less willing to work on boring/hard stuff. On a totally different note, I found a discussion that scares me a bit: User talk: TheClerksWell. Granted, there's a lot more to it, but he's in trouble for editing other people's comments. Now, just to check, do you guys mind if I copyedit your comments on occasion? PrincessofLlyr (talk) 17:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

That particular user goes too far at times: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:TheClerksWell.27s_inappropriate_.22prank.22. Regarding his edits to other people's comments, it appears that he changed the sense of those comments. That, too, is inappropriate and, indeed, disruptive and scandalous as it makes it appear that editors actually said something they naver actually said. I have deliberately changed one word in your last comment, for example. The change might not be obvious, so you may need to look at the history... Feel free to change it back, of course! That said, the changes we make here are usually either copy-edits (quite acceptable, IMO, as long as you tell the editor that made the post) or tongue-in-cheek edits to the title (usually obvious; often, these also help to clarify that the thread moves away from the original topic). Long and short: go ahead but let me know! --Jubilee♫clipman 18:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I did notice your change upon reading through my comment. And yes, I did see the AN/I post, which is what led me to his talk. I did think his edits were extreme, especially to a user he doesn't know. I feel comfortable fixing spelling mistakes here because I know you guys don't mind (I think we've all done it here at one time or another.) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The talk page guidelines are there (if you haven't seen it yet). Jigglyfidders, an adoptee of mine, has been getting into some disruptive editing and does not seem to stop, even though he said he would. Eek! PrincessofLlyr, I think you're more on a semi-wikibreak, TBH... :) I think I need one, too. Airplaneman ✈ 01:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I think I'll be more careful about editing comments, even here. I don't ever do it anywhere else, or with anyone but you three, but maybe I'll back off on that too. Yes, I've been watching the whole saga of Jigglyfidders (strange username!). I found his comment about being new and that being the reason for the warnings particularly amusing. I was never warned as a new user. And the whole thing about angry admins...he sounds like a trouble user. How is it you get the difficult adoptees? I've never been interested in adoption before because I thought I was too inexperienced, but I think I understand most of the major policies now, so do you guys think I would make a good adopter? Answer honestly. If you think I'm not ready, I want to know. I don't want to get into this and mess things up for some new user. Thanks! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC) Add: Jubilee, how are you on wikibreak and still status online? Anything we should watch?

Forgot that, thanks! I am gone now too... back Weds/Thurs. Going to see my dad in Scotland. See (virtually) you all soon --Jubilee♫clipman 02:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Add - No more strange than Jubileeclipman... (Which means nothing, BTW. Just random.) --Jubilee♫clipman 02:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Further - Yes you'd be good as an adopter: patient, kind and understanding - just what the newbies need. I really am gone now... (And am actully "offline", in fact, even though I am actually "online" just to confuse you all more. Offline.... now.) --Jubilee♫clipman 02:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

@PrincessofLlyr: especially the first part of the name... and yes, you would make a good adopter, as Jubileeclipman said. You learn, too! I don't know half the questions my adoptees ask, but since I know this place a bit better, it's easier for me to find the answers. You're the second person who has commented on my troublesome adoptees. I've decided to stop taking them for now - too much going on IRL and additional stress here isn't needed. Just today in school I heard my friend joking about vandalizing Wikipedia, and I quote, "Hey, dude, this was so funny. I went on Wikipedia to look up my topic [for a research project] and, yea, it was so funny. I changed this word to c*** and then I got this orange message thingy that said I had violated this rule and that rule..." and "Hey, you know I once looked up Alcestis (play) and it said (whatever, can't remember) so and so. I told this guy about it." As you can see, most just blow it off. *sigh* I guess that's what blocks are for. Airplaneman ✈ 04:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm back!!! (And now equipped with 25GB). Now that you know a Wikipedia vandal IRL, you get a few more points on the Wikipediholicism test! Have fun, Jubileeclipman, and hope you all return soon! Brambleclawx 17:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Stupid vandals! I don't know any IRL. Actually, I don't know any Wikipedians either. I'm paying attention now to find out if any of my acquaintances might edit, but so far no one. The cat is back! I was beginning to wonder...nice to see you didn't disappear on us. I'm thinking I'm just going to continue with the whole semi-wikibreak thing until summer. I don't see it slowing down until then. It's working though - I aced a test the other day! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Taking time off is great! I finished homework tons faster. Nice link. I liked that song. I got someone I knew to become a Wikipedian (though they're no longer active), but ti turned out, that that person's dad was a Wikipedian too. Brambleclawx 18:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear you're back, Brambleclawx! Airplaneman ✈ 23:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Wildbot's been finding lots of link problems in our character articles... Brambleclawx 19:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I saw that...I was working on it some. I'll try to help fix them when I can. I'm so glad you're back! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 20:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been trying to clan up those links too, ever since the list split... Maybe i'm too slow? Brambleclawx 00:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, but there sure are a lot of them! On a similar but unrelated note, what do you guys (Airplaneman especially) think about the addition of "Flaw in the books" sections to the PJTF articles? I'm not the one that added them and I don't really think it's necessary. PrincessofLlyr (talk) 01:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Blatant OR, delete on sight (IMO)... Airplaneman ✈ 03:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

That's what I thought. I removed one them, but hadn't got around to the rest of them. On a totally unrelated note, what can you tell me about customizing a signature? I don't really want anything complicated (probably just font, and maybe color), but the one time I messed with mine it was a disaster! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 23:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

See WP:CUSTOMSIG :). User:Pmlineditor helped me with mine before I got good at guessing wiki-shortcuts (I guessed WP:SIG which led to...) What I can say is don't make it too flashy/eye-hurting, etc. (but you know this already). Basically, it's just wiki-markup. The linked page tells you everything; I can give you feedback (if you want) if you tinker with it in your sandbox or something. Airplaneman ✈ 23:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? Anyway, yes, I know all about not making it flashy. I'll mess with it some, probably tomorrow or later. I have a big assignment due tomorrow and I'm supposed to be working on it now.... - PrincessofLlyr (talk) 00:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I posted a possible sig in my sandbox. It's pretty much what I want, but comments are welcome! (I'm done with my assignment, in case you're wondering!) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... added a space between your name and "royal court". Otherwise, I like it if you do. Airplaneman ✈ 02:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

The space helps - thanks! Do you think it sounds to high-and-mighty (playing off the "princess" in my name)? PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you're bothered by it, I wouldn't use it. I could possibly see someone getting it the wrong way, but I didn't on first sight. Airplaneman ✈ 03:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I was trying to be creative, so I don't have a problem with it. I was just trying to make sure it didn't come across sounding wrong. I'll probably keep it the way it is. Unless, of course, the rest of my talk page stalkers hate it! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

The signature looks fine.I think it sounds fine to me. Brambleclawx 21:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I was originally going to wait for Jubileeclipman to come back before asking, but then I remembered that you two probably know some music stuff too: Do any of you have any idea what I'm supposed to do for this? So, there's 2 notes, (B and Bb, I believe), and they have stems coming out of them (like in a quarter note), but the stems are slanted and meet each other, forming a "Y" shape. (This is in Chopin's Ballage in G Minor). If any of you know, that'd be great. Brambleclawx 01:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't sound like anything I've ever seen. What measure, and are you reading a print form, or is it in Chopin's original writing? I have a copy of the music, and while I probably won't recognize it, my dad knows a lot about music. (I'm assuming you meant "ballade" not "ballage"?) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Is it in here? Probably not, from your description, but worth a look. I think I know what you are talking about... have seen it, but don't know the name. If this persists, I could ask my music theory teacher about it. Hey, BTW, the last three posts were not related to Wikipedia... soooo... let's try and assess all of them under WikiProject Music Theory and get some more refs :D. (innocent face...) Airplaneman ✈ 03:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea. And it should be easier than WikiProject Novel's unassessed articles - there are only 195 articles in [[Category:Unassessed Music Theory articles]]. (Anybody know how to link that so that it doesn't place my page in that category?) PrincessofLlyr (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Unassessed Music Theory articles Owzat? :) Set Sail For The Seven Seas 236° 6' 45" NET 15:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

How did you do that? Is is the colon following the brackets ( [[: )? PrincessofLlyr (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

It is indeed! Same thing applies with interwiki links. It's one of those little known MediaWiki tricks that come in mighty handy! Set Sail For The Seven Seas 288° 13' 45" NET 19:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, Princess, looks like you've got another TPS. Yeah, I meant Ballade (No.1). Its in bar 170. Its a modern print version (photocopied out of the book at that). 3rd beat in the quintuplet group. Brambleclawx 21:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

ADD You know what's also really bothering me is that quite a lot of claims of new Warriors books are now currently only confirmed by Victoria Holmes' Facebook. I'm sure this violates WP:RS, but I can't think of any other way except to leave out those facts. But then again, using her Facebook as a source is useful, since I believe that's where she first posted Night Whispers' cover. Ideas? Brambleclawx 21:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

About the music, I found the notes and will show them to my dad and see what he says. (stupid book didn't have measure markings - I had to count!) About Warriors, are there any reliable sources documenting the announcements on her Facebook page? You know, if a newspaper or book site had an article that used info from the FB page, something like that. Or you could word it like, "Victoria Holmes has said that.." and use the FB ref? PrincessofLlyr (talk) 21:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow... counting must've taken a while... As for the FB refs, they have all been used on Warriors Wiki, but obviously, I don't think we cite other wikis either. Its not mentioned anywhere reputable either. I've worded it, but not placed an actual citation link to FB because I myself cannot access it w/o an account (nor would any reader who didn't). Brambleclawx 21:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Warriors - I don't know what else to say. That's one of the difficulties of the Internet. Chopin's Ballade - My dad thinks it's a unique way of marking that the notes should be played at the same time. 1. Because of the timing. 2. Because of the inherent difficulty of noting that the natural and flat of a note should be played at the same time. Personally, I think it should have been the natural and the sharp of the note below (for easier notation), but that's just me! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 22:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hm... makes sense. Thanks! As for why not the lower note's sharp, it might have something to do with the key... just like we'd never write in F major using a#. Brambleclawx 22:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's the key, but it doesn't seem to make good sense. I much prefer things that are logical! And actually, I prefer to play for fun than worry about the theory behind it. Reading is more my thing! PrincessofLlyr (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Add - I just tried to change my sig and it gave me this message: "invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags". What's going on? PrincessofLlyr (talk) 22:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I've added a missing closing tag. I think what the problem was was that you didn't close the orignal "font face" tag with </font>. Kinda like Italicizing the last section of a page; if you don't close it with another 2 apostrophes, it will still be italics, but you won't realise that the italics don't end unless you add text after it. (I hope that made sense (kind of rambly)). Since you signature shouldn't affect the text below it, you needed to close the HTML tag. (I've closed it for you on your sandbox)Brambleclawx 01:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If that doesn't work, try this: [[User:PrincessofLlyr|<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy;color:darkgreen">PrincessofLlyr</span>]] ^{[[User talk:PrincessofLlyr|<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy;color:blue">royal court</span>]]} Airplaneman ✈ 02:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I enjoy welcoming new users (especially potential WP:WARRIORS members) so much. Though, not all of them make the best contributions; then again, we were all beginners at some point. Brambleclawx 02:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, let's see if this works! Thanks, guys! PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 02:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Yay, it worked! Airplaneman ✈ 04:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

actually there are many google hits for david wood and sam shamoun. if i find some, will you open a article on them?