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Skeptics point to Ramtha's story as proof that he does not exist. Ramtha claims to come from the continent of [[Lemuria]] and to have conquered [[Atlantis]]. The existence of the two locations are considered of legendary nature, and neither have been found. Furthermore, the claim that Ramtha led an army of 2.5 million contradicts [[World_population#Population_figures|estimates of the world population]] at 33,000 BC, and her claims of [[clairvoyance|clairvoyant]], [[telepathy|telepathetic]], [[telekinesis|telekinetic]] and other [[Extrasensory perception|ESP]] abilities, for which there is no scientific support and have been heavily criticised by skeptics and scientific communities across the world.<ref name="skeptic">For telepathy, see for examples, Randi, James. ''Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions''. Prometheus Books (June 1982) ISBN 0879751983 or<br>Charpak, Georges and Henri Broch. Translated by Bart K. Holland. ''Debunked!: ESP, Telekinesis, and Other Pseudoscience''. The Johns Hopkins University Press (March 25, 2004), ISBN 0801878675</ref><ref>"It would be foolish to accept [psychokinesis] (...) without solid scientific data": {{cite book |first=Carl|last=Sagan|year=1995|title=[[The Demon-Haunted World]]: Science as a candle in the dark |pages=208–212|isbn=0-7472-7745-1|publisher=Headline}}. <br> A similar position is made by Richard Feynmann: {{cite book|last=Feynman|first=Richard P.| title=The Meaning of It All|year=1999|publisher=Penguin|isbn=0-140-27635-1|pages=68–71}}</ref><ref>Randi, James. [http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/parapsychology.html ''An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural'']</ref> (See also each individual article for further information.)
Skeptics point to Ramtha's story as proof that he does not exist. Ramtha claims to come from the continent of [[Lemuria]] and to have conquered [[Atlantis]]. The existence of the two locations are considered of legendary nature, and neither have been found. Furthermore, the claim that Ramtha led an army of 2.5 million contradicts [[World_population#Population_figures|estimates of the world population]] at 33,000 BC, and her claims of [[clairvoyance|clairvoyant]], [[telepathy|telepathetic]], [[telekinesis|telekinetic]] and other [[Extrasensory perception|ESP]] abilities, for which there is no scientific support and have been heavily criticised by skeptics and scientific communities across the world.<ref name="skeptic">For telepathy, see for examples, Randi, James. ''Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions''. Prometheus Books (June 1982) ISBN 0879751983 or<br>Charpak, Georges and Henri Broch. Translated by Bart K. Holland. ''Debunked!: ESP, Telekinesis, and Other Pseudoscience''. The Johns Hopkins University Press (March 25, 2004), ISBN 0801878675</ref><ref>"It would be foolish to accept [psychokinesis] (...) without solid scientific data": {{cite book |first=Carl|last=Sagan|year=1995|title=[[The Demon-Haunted World]]: Science as a candle in the dark |pages=208–212|isbn=0-7472-7745-1|publisher=Headline}}. <br> A similar position is made by Richard Feynmann: {{cite book|last=Feynman|first=Richard P.| title=The Meaning of It All|year=1999|publisher=Penguin|isbn=0-140-27635-1|pages=68–71}}</ref><ref>Randi, James. [http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/parapsychology.html ''An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural'']</ref> (See also each individual article for further information.)

Ramtha's claim that every person can learn to create their own reality<ref>Ramtha.com [http://www.ramtha.com/html/aboutus/aboutus.stm About Us]</ref> is in itself a philosophical [[paradox]]: If everyone is capable of creating their own realities with their minds, then what would happen if one person created a reality in which no one was allowed to create their own realities?<ref>{{cite book|last=Baggini|first=Julian|title=The pig that wants to be eaten: and ninety-nine other thought experiments|publisher=Granta|year=2005|isbn=1862077487}}</ref>


Magician and [[skeptic]] [[James Randi]] said that Ramtha's believers have "no way of evaluating [her teachings]",<ref name="randi">{{cite web|last=Randi|first=James|authorlink=James Randi|title=Ramtha Raves|date=29 April 2005|url=http://www.randi.org/jr/042905some.html#13|accessdate=19 November 2009}}</ref> while [[Carl Sagan]] in his book ''[[The Demon-Haunted World]]'' says that "the simplest hypothesis is that Ms. Knight makes 'Ramtha' speak all by herself, and that she has no contact with disembodied entities from the [[Pleistocene|Pleistocene Ice Age]]." He goes on to write a list of questions that Ramtha's answers would help us determine whether he is actually a disembodied entity from the [[Upper Paleolithic|paleolithic times]] (such as "What were the indigenous languages, and social structure?", "What was their writing like?" or "How does he know that he lived 35,000 years ago?"), and ends by saying that "[i]nstead, all we are offered are banal homilies."<ref name="sagan"/>
Magician and [[skeptic]] [[James Randi]] said that Ramtha's believers have "no way of evaluating [her teachings]",<ref name="randi">{{cite web|last=Randi|first=James|authorlink=James Randi|title=Ramtha Raves|date=29 April 2005|url=http://www.randi.org/jr/042905some.html#13|accessdate=19 November 2009}}</ref> while [[Carl Sagan]] in his book ''[[The Demon-Haunted World]]'' says that "the simplest hypothesis is that Ms. Knight makes 'Ramtha' speak all by herself, and that she has no contact with disembodied entities from the [[Pleistocene|Pleistocene Ice Age]]." He goes on to write a list of questions that Ramtha's answers would help us determine whether he is actually a disembodied entity from the [[Upper Paleolithic|paleolithic times]] (such as "What were the indigenous languages, and social structure?", "What was their writing like?" or "How does he know that he lived 35,000 years ago?"), and ends by saying that "[i]nstead, all we are offered are banal homilies."<ref name="sagan"/>

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J. Z. Knight
Born
Judith Darlene Hampton

(1946-03-16) March 16, 1946 (age 78)
Roswell, New Mexico
NationalityAmerican
CitizenshipUnited States
OccupationChanneler
Years active1977-present
Known forRamtha's School of Enlightenment
SpouseJames Flick
ChildrenBrandy and Christopher
Parent(s)Charles and Helen Hampton
WebsiteJZKnight.com

Judy Zebra Knight (born Judith Darlene Hampton on March 16, 1946, in Roswell, New Mexico), usually known as J. Z. Knight, is an American metaphysical teacher and author and the reputed channel of a spiritual entity named Ramtha.

Knight claims to bridge ancient wisdom and the power of consciousness together with the latest discoveries in science.[citation needed] Some of the ideas are similar to those of Shirley MacLaine's,[1] which have in turn been criticized for being "kindergarten metaphysics" by mathematician and skeptic Martin Gardner.[2] Ramtha's teachings have further been criticised by scientists and skeptics around the world (see Controversy and Criticism below). Knight has appeared on US TV shows, such as Larry King[3] and The Merv Griffin Show, offering spiritual insight and inspiration to thousands of people from all over the world, including figures from the entertainment and political world such as Linda Evans and Shirley MacLaine. Knight also participated as a speaker at an international women's conferences affiliated with the United Nations.[4][citation needed]

Knight now lives in a 12,800-square-foot French-chateau-styled mansion in the outskirts of Yelm, Washington, which includes a spa, swimming pool and stables, and recruits a staff of 14.[5] A horse arena nearby has been turned into what is called The Great Hall, where she teaches courses and runs Ramtha's School of Enlightenment.[6]

Knight has been married six times (five of which ended with divorce) and is the mother of two children from her first marriage (Brandy and Christopher),[7] which was ended in divorce due to her unwillingness to continue putting up with her husband's alcoholism and infidelity.[8][9]

Career

Knight grew up in poverty and was unable to go to college. After graduating from high school, she dropped out of business school. She later worked at the cable television industry, and due to her work moved to Tacoma, Washington, where a psychic told her the 'Enlightened One' would appear to her in the future.[8] Ramtha allegedly appeared to her for the first time in 1977, in her and her husband's trailer.[6][8]

Knight appeared on The Merv Griffin Show in 1985 and later wrote the autobiographical A State of Mind in 1987. Time called her "probably the most celebrated of all current channelers".[5] Ramtha's School of Enlightenment website says that since 1988, through the JZ Knight Humanities Foundation, Knight has donated $1,181,068 to 200 graduating high-school seniors "that they may pursue their educational goals".[citation needed] In 1996, a total of $280,000 was given to 39 graduating seniors.[citation needed]

Knight has a store in Yelm, Washington, along with an online store which sells products not connected with Ramtha's teaching. The store sells kitchen utensils, women's apparel, cosmetic products and pet supplies, among other products.[10] She is currently the president of JZK, Inc and Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, located in the foothills of Mt. Rainier in Washington, and the name of Ramtha is copyrighted under JZ Knight. She also won a court case which affirmed that she is the sole legal channeler of the entity Ramtha[11] (see Court Cases below). There have been over 120 books and 40 DVDs released by RSE, JZK Inc. or independently in the past twenty-five years.[citation needed] She also appeared in the 2004 movie What the Bleep Do We Know!?, which has been heavily criticised by the scientific community.

After an absence from public view for several years, she returned to public speaking on radio and in magazines and workshops.[when?]

Ramtha

Ramtha (the name is claimed to be derived from Ram and to mean "the God" in Ramtha's language) is an entity whom Knight claims to channel. According to Ramtha, he was a Lemurian warrior who fought the Atlanteans over 35,000 years ago.[12] Ramtha speaks of leading an army over 2.5 million strong (more than twice the estimated world population at about 30,000 BC) for 63 years, and conquering three fourths of the known world (which was going through cataclysmic geological changes).[citation needed] According to Ramtha, he led the army for ten years until he was betrayed and almost killed.[13]

Ramtha says he spent the next seven years in isolation recovering and observing nature, the seasons, his army making homes and families, and many other things. He later mastered many skills, including foresight and out-of-body experiences, until he led his army to the Indus River while in his late fifties. Ramtha taught his soldiers everything he knew for 120 days, he bid them farewell, rose into the air and in a bright flash of light he ascended before them. He made a promise to his army that he would come back to teach them everything he had learned. JZ Knight says that in 1977 Ramtha appeared before her and told her that he had come to help her over the ditch. JZ Knight became his first student of what he calls the great work.[12]

Teachings

See also: Ramtha's School of Enlightenment - Teachings

Ramtha is the central figure (the "master teacher") of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, started by Knight in 1987 in Yelm, Washington. Classes (or "dialogues") had been held around the world for the previous ten years. There are currently over 6,000 students of Ramtha's teachings and many more have been to retreats in the past.[7]

A central theme of Ramtha's teachings involves the internalization of divinity (God is in Us, You are God, Behold God). Ramtha is described as having brought his knowledge to many ancient civilizations in the world such as the Ancient Egyptians. The website also suggests that traces of the lineage of the original teachings and philosophies he taught 35,000 years ago have appeared throughout history in the schools of philosophers like Socrates, religions like Hinduism and Judaism, and the works of great minds such as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo.[14]

The four cornerstones of Ramtha's philosophy are:[14]

  1. The statement 'You are God'
  2. The directive to make known the unknown
  3. The concept that consciousness and energy create the nature of reality
  4. The challenge to conquer yourself

All of the above are similar to the list of common messages stated by claimed channelled entities written by Russell Chandler[15]:

The basic messages of the channeled entities exhibit a striking commonality:

  • Death is unreal.
  • All is One in the synergy of Deity.
  • We are Divine Beings but have chosen to exist as physical humans.
  • In this life there are no victims, only opportunities.
  • We can control reality through the powers of Universal Mind.

(also see Mediumship)

Ramtha's teachings appear to be a mixture of Jungian philosophy, Western occult traditions and contemporary positive-thinking attitudes (such as New Age beliefs),[16] but have yet to stand against elementary skepticism or scrutiny,[17] and predictions made by the disembodied entity have either failed to come true (for example, predicting that a holocaust would take place in 1985, or that the USA would be involved in a major war in 1985) or the predicted scenarios are too wide to evaluate and/or have too large an error margin to be considered, which is usually the case with channelers.[16]

When Knight says she is channeling Ramtha, she/he speaks mostly in English, in what sounds like an accent from the Indian Raj,[17][18] and sometimes in a simplistic way. Ramtha has expressed confusion about modern items (or even the ability to read English),[19] although he seems to have clear understanding of complex issues of modern physics, such as the quantum field or neurology, which appear frequently in his speeches.[20] During the channeling of Ramtha JZ Knight behaves a bit differently and speaks in a deeper and stern voice.

In his teachings, Ramtha has made several controversial statements, such as that Christianity is a "backward" religion, that Jesus' parables can be explained by means of photon waves and probability,[21] that murder isn't really wrong or evil,[15] or (during the court case JZ Knight v Jeff Knight) Jeff Knight stated that Ramtha had allegedly declared that HIV is Nature's way of 'getting rid of' homosexuality.[21]

Controversy and criticism

See also: Ramtha's School of Enlightenment - Controversy and Criticism

Most books regarding Ramtha and RSE come from JZK Publishing, one of the several companies started by JZ Knight. Other books somewhat sympathetic to Ramtha, such as "Finding Enlightenment: Ramtha's School of Ancient Wisdom" by Gordon Melton, have ties to RSE in other ways. The author of Finding Enlightenment, testified for J.Z. Knight in Knight vs. Knight (1992–1995) against her former husband Jeffery Knight (see below).

Skeptics point to Ramtha's story as proof that he does not exist. Ramtha claims to come from the continent of Lemuria and to have conquered Atlantis. The existence of the two locations are considered of legendary nature, and neither have been found. Furthermore, the claim that Ramtha led an army of 2.5 million contradicts estimates of the world population at 33,000 BC, and her claims of clairvoyant, telepathetic, telekinetic and other ESP abilities, for which there is no scientific support and have been heavily criticised by skeptics and scientific communities across the world.[22][23][24] (See also each individual article for further information.)

Magician and skeptic James Randi said that Ramtha's believers have "no way of evaluating [her teachings]",[25] while Carl Sagan in his book The Demon-Haunted World says that "the simplest hypothesis is that Ms. Knight makes 'Ramtha' speak all by herself, and that she has no contact with disembodied entities from the Pleistocene Ice Age." He goes on to write a list of questions that Ramtha's answers would help us determine whether he is actually a disembodied entity from the paleolithic times (such as "What were the indigenous languages, and social structure?", "What was their writing like?" or "How does he know that he lived 35,000 years ago?"), and ends by saying that "[i]nstead, all we are offered are banal homilies."[17]

JZ Knight's ex-husband, Jeff Knight, in an interview in 1992 with Joe Szimhart, said that Ramtha's teachings is a "farce" and that it is "just a money making business for her [JZ Knight]". He also said that students of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment are "involved in a very dangerous, very evil corrupt thing".[26]

Attacks and criticism against Ramtha's teachings and Ramtha's School of Enlightenment have also been made by former students of the school. David McCarthy, a Yelm resident and former student of the School between 1989 and 1996, has accused the School of being a cult. He further claims that he was intimidated during his studies there, and he felt like mind control was being exerted by JZ Knight and the school. He said "At one point I was running around scared I was going to get eaten by the lizard people."[27] Mc Carthy became disappointed, not only with his own experience of Ramtha's teachings but also as he had cut ties from his family to become a student as they lived in a different country.[28] This lead McCarthy to form a group called "Life After Ramtha's School of Enlightenment", which questions the authenticity of Ramtha and encourages people to come out and express their experiences after their realisation that the RSE is a cult. The School has also been characterised as a cult by acclaimed skeptic Michael Shermer, in his book "Why People Believe Weird Things".[18]

Glenn Cunningham, a former bodyguard of JZ Knight's, in an interview with David McCarthy details the inner workings of the Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, and criticizes various activities (such as trademarking ideas and phrases that had been coined by other authors many years before - for example, the idea of "Blue Body", or mixing quantum physics with new age ideas, which can be found in Vera Stanley Alder's "From the Mundane to the Magnificent", first published in 1979) of JZ Knight's and aspects of Ramtha which he simply saw as JZ Knight acting. Among the things he mentions is the fact that Ramtha mispronounces the same words that JZ Knight mispronounces, and that Ramtha quotes the same books that JZ Knight has read.[19] Glenn Cunningham's admits in the video interview, that he was prone to lying to students when he saw fit or thought that it may help them.[19]

Furthermore, Ramtha's teachings as they are portrayed in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know!?, not only in the general gist of the film (which was directed and funded by students of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment) but also in instances where Ramtha is interviewed on screen, have been heavily criticised by the scientific community across the globe,[29][30][31][32] and skeptics,[33] such as James Randi.[34]

Court cases

JZ Knight has been involved in several court disputes, some personal and others business-related. A woman from Berlin called Judith Ravell was accused by J.Z. Knight that for five years during which Ravell claimed she was also channeling Ramtha, she was disturbing Knight's psychic state and it had left her "hanging in spiritual limbo". The case was brought to the supreme court in Vienna and lasted over five years, at the end of which Austria's supreme court awarded copyright to J.Z. Knight as the sole channelor of Ramtha, and Ravell was made to pay $800 in psychic damages to J.Z. Knight.[11] Another case involving copyright and trademark ownership was JZK, Inc vs. Glandon, in which Joseph Glandon was accused of distributing copyrighted teachings of Ramtha.[35]

In Knight vs. Knight (1992–1995), Jeff Knight alleges that he lost years of his life by postponing modern medical treatment for his HIV infection, due to advice from his wife that Ramtha could heal him. The court decided against him, but he died before he could appeal the court's decision.[36]

Knight, through JZK Inc., accused WhiteWind Weaver, a Thurston County citizen, of stealing Knight's ideas and using her and Ramtha's teachings in her workshops. A trial began on March 10, 2008 in Thurston County Superior Court, and at the end of it Knight was awarded about $10,000 after the court's decision against WhiteWind Weaver.[37]

JZ Knight also refused to attend court as a witness, in a case involving a 15-year old who claimed rape against two students of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment. The 15-year old girl was invited to a RSE retreat after she had written a letter to Knight, which mentioned that her dancing and acting teacher had engaged in sexual intercourse with her. In the retreat, Knight channeled Ramtha who in turn questioned the girl, her father, and the two people who were accused of engaging in sexual activities with her, Wayne Allen Geis and Ruth Beverly Martin, on stage in front of an audience of over 800 people for about an hour, during which Geis and Martin confessed to their activities. Ramtha could not confess in court, and JZ Knight said she did not remember anything from the confession session, and could therefore not appear in court.[38]

See also

Notes

  1. ^ MacLaine, Shirley (1983). Out on a Limb. New York: Bantam Books. p. 214.
  2. ^ Gardner, Martin (1988). New Age: Notes of a Fringe-Watcher. Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books. p. 36. ISBN 087975432X.
  3. ^ King, Larry (21:00ET, 2008-08-02). "Larry King LIVE - Change you Mind, Change your life (transcript)". CNN. CNN. Retrieved 2009-11-22. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  4. ^ ""The Dr.Pat Show - Become a Remarkable Life and Change Your World"". 2007. Retrieved November 22, 2009.
  5. ^ a b Friedrich, Otto (1987). "New Age Harmonies". Time. Retrieved 2008-09-16. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
  6. ^ a b ""Questions and Answers about Ramtha, JZ Knight"". The Olympian. July 16, 2006. Retrieved November 19, 2009.
  7. ^ a b Pemberton, Lisa (July 16, 2006). "Behind the gates at Ramtha's School". The Olympian. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  8. ^ a b c Knight, J.Z. (1987). A State of Mind: My Story. New York: Warner Books.
  9. ^ "The Mother Nature - August 08 Mom of the month". The Mother Nature. August, 2008. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |date= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  10. ^ JZ Rose - For All Things Beautiful: About Us
  11. ^ a b Connolly, Kate (June 9, 1997). "Medium wins channeling right". {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  12. ^ a b JZK Publishing; Revised & enlarged edition (February 14, 2005), Language: English, ISBN 1578730457, ISBN 978-1578730452
  13. ^ Knight, J.Z. Ramtha: The White Book. Yelm, Washington: JZK Publishing. p. 28. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |year2= ignored (help)
  14. ^ a b Knight, J.Z., Ramtha's School of Enlightenment - an Introduction (PDF) {{citation}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  15. ^ a b Chandler, Russell (1993). Understanding the New Age. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House. p. 80. ISBN 031038561X. Cite error: The named reference "chandler" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  16. ^ a b Wynn, Charles M.; Wiggins, Arthur W.; Harris, Sidney (2001). Quantum leaps in the wrong direction: where real science ends-- and pseudoscience begins. Berlin: Joseph Henry Press. pp. 85–86. ISBN 030907309X.
  17. ^ a b c Sagan, Carl (March 1997). The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark. Ballantine Books. p. 480. ISBN 0-394-53512-X.
  18. ^ a b Shermer, Michael (2002). Why People Believe Weird Things. New York: Henry Holt and Company. p. 295.
  19. ^ a b c Cunningham, Glenn & McCarthy, David (2001). Glenn Cunningham Interview. {{cite AV media}}: External link in |title= (help)
  20. ^ An example: JZ Knight/Ramtha (2008). JZ Knight on UFOs. YouTube. {{cite AV media}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  21. ^ a b Gorenfeld, John (2004-09-16). ""Bleep" of faith". Salon. Retrieved 2006-11-29.
  22. ^ For telepathy, see for examples, Randi, James. Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions. Prometheus Books (June 1982) ISBN 0879751983 or
    Charpak, Georges and Henri Broch. Translated by Bart K. Holland. Debunked!: ESP, Telekinesis, and Other Pseudoscience. The Johns Hopkins University Press (March 25, 2004), ISBN 0801878675
  23. ^ "It would be foolish to accept [psychokinesis] (...) without solid scientific data": Sagan, Carl (1995). The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark. Headline. pp. 208–212. ISBN 0-7472-7745-1..
    A similar position is made by Richard Feynmann: Feynman, Richard P. (1999). The Meaning of It All. Penguin. pp. 68–71. ISBN 0-140-27635-1.
  24. ^ Randi, James. An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural
  25. ^ Randi, James (29 April 2005). "Ramtha Raves". Retrieved 19 November 2009.
  26. ^ Knight, Jeff & Szimhart, Joe (1992). The Jeff Knight interview, 1992. Google Videos. {{cite AV media}}: External link in |title= (help)
  27. ^ Brenner, Keri (January 27, 2008). "Disillusioned former students target Ramtha". {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  28. ^ McCarthy, McCarthy, David (2006). LARSE Gathering. {{cite AV media}}: External link in |title= (help)
  29. ^ Kuttner, Fred (2006). "Teaching physics mysteries versus pseudoscience". Physics Today. 59 (11). American Institute of Physics: 14. doi:10.1063/1.2435631. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)}
  30. ^ "The minds boggle". The Guardian Unlimited
  31. ^ What the Bleep are they On About?! Australian Broadcasting Corporation
  32. ^ Wilson, Elizabeth (2005-01-13). "What the Bleep Do We Know?!". American Chemical Society. Retrieved 2007-12-19.
  33. ^ Review[dead link] by Eric Scerri of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry
  34. ^ 2004 Pigasus awards James Randi Educational Foundation
  35. ^ Jzk, Inc. v. Joseph Glandon
  36. ^ Szimhart, Joe (July, 1998), Essay on Gordon Melton's Study on Ramtha, retrieved November 20, 2009 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  37. ^ Rollins, Michael (September 16, 2008). "Ramtha 1, Whitewind Weaver 0". {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)
  38. ^ "'Ramtha's channeler' can't testify". Seattle Pi Local. October 10, 2000. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)

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