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Inconsistent names

The text is inconsistent as to whether the figure is modelled by Suzanne Leenhoff, and/or Victorine Meurent or Victorine Meurend, and whether the other figure is Ferdinand or Rodolfe Leenhoff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.69.3 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should "nude" be replaced with "naked"?

Several places in the article the female figure in the foreground is referred to as "nude". Is this not incorrect? One of the things that distinguishes this paiting from artworks that came before is that the female exudes self-confidence; she controls the viewer's gaze rather than being solely the subject of it. Naked implies this self-empowerment while nude suggests that the figure is weak. Maybe this is only a recent distinction in the art world, but it seems to me that the article runs the risk of being incorrect. Theshibboleth 08:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly enough, I'd view it just the opposite. To me, naked implies exposed, bare to the world, fragile and without protection, while nude merely means without clothing. When someone really exposes their inner self, you might say that they "bared their naked soul", but never their nude soul. Basically, I always understood that naked could refer to much more than just a lack of clothing, but also a lack of protection, or a state of vulnerability. I just made a quick look over at wiktionary, which tends to agree... naked, which includes the definition of unprotected or unadorned, vs nude, which only has one alt definition, as a beige color. --Reverend Loki 17:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The review of the painting is pretty good, but I'm not comfortable with the tone one gets from "inconsistent and unnatural". However, I won't slap a NPOV tag because this is probably more of an analysis than an opinion. Dessydes 02:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Does anyone actually refer to this painting as "The Luncheon on the Grass"? I have never heard it called this before - only ever by its French title. DuncanHill (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be moved. "Luncheon"! The Bathers (Cézanne) is more problemmatic. Johnbod (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have boldly gone and done it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bow Wow Wow

The "Works inspired by" section says that Annabella Lwin was 15 when the photo was taken. However, the Bow Wow Wow article says she was 14. Which is it? Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm writing a thesis where I would like to say that the nude figure was inspired both by V.Meurent and S.Leenhoff, and I looked everywhere, but realised I actually found that info on Wikipedia. Scholarly books say that the nude was solely inspired by Victorine Meurent. Can I know the sources that state that the nude was inspired by both? Thanks.

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	The "Works inspired by" section says that Annabella Lwin was 15 when the photo was taken. However, the Bow Wow Wow article says she was 14. Which is it? [[User:Paul Magnussen\|Paul Magnussen]] ([[User talk:Paul Magnussen\|talk]]) 17:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)		The "Works inspired by" section says that Annabella Lwin was 15 when the photo was taken. However, the Bow Wow Wow article says she was 14. Which is it? [[User:Paul Magnussen\|Paul Magnussen]] ([[User talk:Paul Magnussen\|talk]]) 17:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

			I'm writing a thesis where I would like to say that the nude figure was inspired both by V.Meurent and S.Leenhoff, and I looked everywhere, but realised I actually found that info on Wikipedia. Scholarly books say that the nude was solely inspired by Victorine Meurent. Can I know the sources that state that the nude was inspired by both? Thanks.